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Hops combinations

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by Tebuken, Aug 28, 2012.

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  1. Tebuken

    Tebuken Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    So i would like to hear your experiences regarding hop combinations.I have noticed Cascade + EKG is not a good combination.I have brewed a few beers using this combination with poor results.

    Best regards
     
  2. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
    Moderator Subscriber Beer Trader

    I think it's dependent on the style, but:

    Amarillo and Citra, are pretty much a match made in heaven. Simcoe mingles with them just as smooth. My favorite combo, period.

    Cascade and Centennial are really nice together. Columbus obviously rolls with these 2 guys pretty well, too.

    Nugget and Willamette are awesome together as well for darker beers that don't need a million ibus.
     
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  3. hiphopj5

    hiphopj5 Jan 29, 2010 Colorado

    I recently brewed an IPA with Simcoe, Centennial, and Columbus that came out really nice.
     
  4. jlpred55

    jlpred55 Jul 26, 2006 Iowa

    Since I like my APA's to have a little earthy and spicy to go with the citrus I like EKG, Amarillo and Willamette. Weird combo but it is awesome- I also like EKG, Cascade and Willamette. So it is in line with that the OP doesn't like!

    For IPA's, a whole bunch:
    Chinook, Simcoe and Amarillo- a favorite
    Columbus, Centenntial- dank and resinous hop flavor
    Millenium and Galaxy- passionfruit city- with a nice herbal undertone
    Nelson Sauvin, Amarillo and Cascade- a whole mess of citrus and tropical fruits with a super dank finish
    and of course Chinook, Centennial and Cascade- SN Favorite as used in Celebration

    I rarely use any of these 1:1- so it depends upon which hop I chose to play the dominant part of the hop profile.
     
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  5. Tebuken

    Tebuken Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    "I also like EKG, Cascade and Willamette. So it is in line with that the OP doesn't like!"

    I love the Combination of Fuggles and EKG,but as i stated before i don´t like Cascades + EKG, maybe our argentine Cascades differ to your US ones
     
  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania


    Yes, Argentine Cascades is different than US Cascades:

    “Argentine Cascade Hop Pellets

    These are NOT Cascades! Through translation the name is the same but they are not to be used as an alternative for US Cascade. That being said, these are perfectly fine aroma hops. What we know so far is they are versatile but more of an aroma or finishing hop and can be adequately substituted for Tettnang or Spalt. •3.2% alpha acid”

    http://www.homebrewers.com/product/2016A/Argentine-Cascade-Hop-Pellets---1-ounce.html

    Cheers!
     
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  7. LeeryLeprechaun

    LeeryLeprechaun Jan 30, 2011 Colorado

    I personally like Chinook, Simcoe, Cascade together in an IPA.
     
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  8. leedorham

    leedorham Apr 27, 2006 Washington

    To be quite honest, I've yet to brew a beer where I thought the hop combination was a fault. The only way I think hops don't go well together is when one variety is overpowering and masks any character contributed by the other varieties.

    I'm interested to hear about situations where homebrewers feel otherwise, but am also interested to hear how exactly you pinned those faults on the hop combination.
     
  9. JimmyTango

    JimmyTango Aug 1, 2011 California

    I reckon my favorite is Simcoe, Chinook, and Centennial.

    Orange juice, pine, spice, and a great brightness without being too fruity.
     
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  10. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
    Moderator Subscriber Beer Trader

    My all time favorite is Amarillo, Simcoe and Citra. Just a bright tasting, hop bomb that keeps it a nice clean fruity hop flavor and aroma.

    I love Amarillo though. I think it's probably the best tasting in any pales, period. I have a single hop Amarillo on tap at the house right now that is just epic good. It's so bright and juicy, I almost giggled like a little girl when I pulled my first glass.

    I might do amarillo and cascade or chinook next. I like the earthy spice in there, but I'm not huge on the pine elements in my IPAs. Enough to balance, not enough to notice.
     
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  11. jthahn

    jthahn Jun 1, 2009 Indiana

    i'm going way against the grain here looking at the previous posts. i don't like simcoe...at least not in any noticeable quantities. so i say simcoe and anything is a bad combination.
    i'm with everyone else on the amarillo/citra combo.
     
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  12. jmich24

    jmich24 Jan 28, 2010 Michigan

    I just did a Columbus/Simcoe "session ipa" that is a dank bomb @ only 4% ABV. Big fan of this combonation when Im in the mood for dank rather than citrus. As far a citrus/tropical goes, I really like to combination of Cascade/Citra and Citra/Amarillo.

    I'm really looking forward to my next combo of wet hops off the bine. Centennial/Cascade/Zues/Chinook I am using my grain bill of Daisy Cutter that I am trying to dial in. I think the grassiness of the wet hops will get me close to Daisy Cutter even though the hop combo is all wrong.
     
  13. Tebuken

    Tebuken Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    I really don´t know what happen when these hops are combined.It seems like there might be a weird reaction where hop flavor goes too much citrusy and overpower the malt flavor regardless IBUs added.
     
  14. JimmyTango

    JimmyTango Aug 1, 2011 California

  15. cmmcdonn

    cmmcdonn Jun 21, 2009 Virginia

    I often go with a Citra/Nugget combo.
     
  16. LehighAce06

    LehighAce06 Jul 31, 2010 Pennsylvania
    Beer Trader

    This is a pretty interesting topic, both from a homebrewing perspective as well as an infusion perspective (using a Randall/french press).
    Sean, I'm curious if a few years of drinking/brewing experience has changed your quoted answer at all?

    I'd also love to get some additional answers from the community above what's already in the thread, especially with all the hops that didn't exist or weren't as readily available back in 2012, so I figured I'd resurrect it!
     
  17. DVoors

    DVoors Jan 6, 2014 Indiana

    centennial and cascade
    simcoe and Amarillo
    citra and Amarillo
    cascade and amarillo
     
  18. HokiesandBeer

    HokiesandBeer Jan 10, 2013 Pennsylvania
    Beer Trader

    Just made an APA with Galaxy and Nelson Sauvin.

    Will see how it turns out.
     
  19. LehighAce06

    LehighAce06 Jul 31, 2010 Pennsylvania
    Beer Trader

    Now we're talking! That sounds delicious.
     
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  20. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
    Beer Trader

    Just did a meh APA with mandarina and northern brewer. Mandarina comes across as a subdued cascade to me. I do enjoy citra with chinook and centennial. Borders on high art...
     
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  21. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania

    FWIW, I have also perceived Mandarina in commercially brewed beers in a similar fashion.

    Cheers!
     
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  22. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Jun 24, 2015 Vermont

    ipa- citra casacade Chinook Columbus ammarillo or horizon nugget cascade simco, or Columbus mosaic nugget

    stouts northern brewer or goldings fuggle or willamet or brewers gold

    pumpkin/fruit/burton ales tettnang perle
     
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  23. LehighAce06

    LehighAce06 Jul 31, 2010 Pennsylvania
    Beer Trader

    I had never thought of it this way before, but thinking back to Mandarina beers I've had (at brewpubs mostly) that's pretty spot on.
     
  24. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Jan 5, 2015 Illinois

    @LehighAce06

    You won't get some of the flavors that are commonly associated with the hops by running cold beer through a randall. You would get some of the aromatic qualities but not to the same extent as dry hopping. For example, Citra is a tasty tropical hop with flavors of mango, pineapple and orange. A randall would infuse some of the dank aromatic qualities of Citra and wouldn't contribute much tropical fruit flavor.
     
  25. LehighAce06

    LehighAce06 Jul 31, 2010 Pennsylvania
    Beer Trader

    Interesting. I'll have to try it out a few times and get a feel for what it does accomplish, but in the meantime I'm curious what is the point (if you aren't getting those qualities).

    Also interesting, I tried using a randall with hops (previously had only used fruit) for the first time a couple days ago, and learned a very valuable lesson completely unrelated to this: Don't use fucking pellets.
     
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  26. premierpro

    premierpro Mar 21, 2009 Michigan
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    Cascade-Cluster
    Hallertau-Sazz, Tetnang, or Spalt
     
  27. premierpro

    premierpro Mar 21, 2009 Michigan
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    Last year I was at a brewery that had no hoppy beer on tap but did have Centenial cones on the bines around their patio. I ordered a Kolsch and added some cones and it was not long before the flavor and aroma came through. By the time my glass was empty there was more hop flavor then I wanted. Take care.
     
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  28. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Jan 5, 2015 Illinois

    I have a friend that likes to bust out the randall with pro kegged beer. My opinion of putting hops in a randall is it sounds like a reasonably good idea worth trying, but I haven't experienced good results. It wouldn't surprise me if good results are possible.
     
  29. Cadmando18

    Cadmando18 Feb 14, 2015 Oregon

    I like Fuggle and Cascade. For IPA.
     
  30. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Jan 5, 2015 Illinois

    Said no one ever until now.
     
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  31. Westyn

    Westyn Feb 12, 2014 Texas

    I'm thinking of brewing with Citra, Williamette and Nuggett (maybe Hallertau depending on nugget availability with at my store) for an IPA... Anyone ever tried that combo with good results?
     
  32. 1beerbaron

    1beerbaron Mar 24, 2009 Ohio
    Beer Trader

    I did an IPA that was mostly Apollo, Columbus, and a bit of Amarillo. Dankest beer I've ever tasted or smelled. Amarillo added a nice depth to it as well. Apollo is a super clean bittering hop, but later in the process is by far the dankest hop I've come across.

    So Columbus for bittering (since Apollo is clean bittering), I did probably 3:2:1 Columbus:Apollo:Amarillo for whirlpool, then 2:3 Columbus:Apollo for dry hopping. Super dank and super tasty.
     
  33. pweis909

    pweis909 Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin

    I have had a commercial beer witness two hops, if I recall correctly, and it seemed fine. I have to say that for some reason or other, my homebrews with Kent goldings have not been stellar. I am prepared to attribute this to variability in the quality of the English hops available to the s homebrews market. Commercial breweries likely son the cream of the crop, and travel and storage may hurt a percentage of the remainder. Or I am just making up excuses for my poorly crafted beers.
     
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  34. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania

    Peter,

    How would you describe your disappointment with EKG hops?

    Cheers!

    Jack
     
  35. Tebuken

    Tebuken Jun 6, 2009 Argentina


    Too much citrusy flavor?
     
  36. pweis909

    pweis909 Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin

    Minimal aroma when I open the pacakage, lack of character in the beer. I've never really loaded up a beer with them, and I am having difficulty conjuring up my memory of the hops contribution to those beers, which speaks to lack of impact as well as passage of time since I last used them. I have had better luck with fuggles, challenger, and whitbread goldings variety. Maybe what I need to do is a beer where I amp up the late contribution but when I look at English beer recipes they do not usually do this.

    @Tebuken Not too much citrus. The opposite - not enough character in general.
     
  37. 2ellas

    2ellas Feb 20, 2014 New Hampshire
    Beer Trader

    I like centennial, mosaic and nelson sauvin. Just brewed yesterday with those three and added some galaxy for a 30 minute hopstand/whirlpool. I'm not really a citra guy at the moment though. I've been getting the "cat piss" flavor and aroma from it lately. Hoping that changes soon because it's a fairly recent issue.
     
  38. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania

    Peter,

    I brew an English Bitter Ale every year and I load up that beer with EKG hops; a total of 4 ounces for flavor and aroma. I add once once with 10 minutes remaining in the boil, 1 ounce at the end of boil (and a 30 minute hop-stand) and 2 ounces for dry hopping (10-14 days of contact time). In that beer EKG provides a nice but subdued aroma/flavor of herbal/floral to my palate; it tastes of English beer to me.

    There is no doubt to me that EKG is a non-potent hop as compared to other hops but I personally appreciate its flavors.

    Cheers!
     
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  39. VikeMan

    VikeMan Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Beer Trader

    How early in the boil are you adding it?
     
  40. JrGtr

    JrGtr Apr 13, 2006 Massachusetts
    Subscriber

    I did an IPA last year that was Citra, Mosaic and Falconer's Flight and it came out great.
    I personally like the Simcoe / Chinook combo.
     
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