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Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Ol_Johnny_Skippelwicky, Feb 26, 2014.
For me 30 days = old (for both) and I won't consider one that is 60 days old.
Just send him a link to this thread!
I'm at the same place.
< 30 days = thumbs up
> 30 days = depends on my experience with the beer. Most I'll avoid. If I've never had it before I'll definitely avoid letting that be my first experience with it.
I'll give cans a little more leeway.
I'll let it go to 90 days if I know the beer has been kept refrigerated... or if there's no better choice under the circumstances.
Anyone who has ever tasted the difference between a fresh IPA and one that is 6 months old would not flinch at your assessment. Your friend is a little ignorant and that's why you need to be there to snob it up!
I totally agree. I wouldn't want to be at a tasting of the latter type. I'm just surprised they would be offended unless you decided to browbeat them for bringing an older IPA. It's like them telling to you to go fuck yourself because you thought a stout was too sweet.
I can't find a tasting group that doesn't just seem to only pine over the super rare and out of distro stuff, so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. It just seemed off on their part to me.
"Oh wow this is a malty IPA. Ah OK, it's 6 months old. The hops have really mellowed."
depends on if they're in the know or not.
if they are...
I would smack the dude on the head with a newspaper, like a dog that knows better but keeps sleeping on the sofa.
..or rub their nose in it and say "Look what you did".
"... so what's the date of this Enjoy By again?"
Maybe next time you taste with these friends, try and find an IPA that's six months old and one that's fresh. That way, you can show that your opinion, in practice, was correct there. And then they can educate themselves going forward. Nothing snobbish about it. You were in the right. I received a six months-dated Hop Devil in a trade the other day and it was not all that enjoyable. Still figuring how to (if I should) go about telling my trade partner it was old (keeping in mind it was just a throw-in to even out the trade and not the centerpiece of the trade).
By drinking it. Some ipas still fantastic at 6 months, Northern Hemisphere (is that really an ipa?), Celebration just two examples. Lagunitas Sucks I like now, couldn't stand it when it first hit the stores this year.
Thanks, this is maybe why I've never like DIPA. I didn't realize how quick they faded until I got a six pack of Hopslam that was 8 days old. The first one tasted awesome and then I had one each week for the next 5 weeks. Needless to say I liked them less every week. If my first Hopslam I tried was 6 weeks old I would say it's horrible....looks like I better reevaluate my DIPA ratings as both Abrasive and Hoptimum currently occupy my worst ratings for the style.
Bearded Guy A: "I... don't know how to tell you this.... you should probably sit down."
Bearded Guy B: "what is it?.. this seems really serious..."
Bearded Guy A: "(sigh) here goes nothin... your I.P.A....its...its....I just can't."
(runs away in a fit of tears and slams a door in the distance)
This is how I would do it.
Yes, the ones that got to India were pretty good too.
And of course the tasting in Guy B's mom's basement.
my friends would pour it on the carpet while staring me in the face asking how on earth i would dare serve them such an old beer! no but really. just point out how one is much older than the rest of the bunch.
I think this varies with the particular beer. for whatever reason, resin seems to have more tolerance to age than sucks, for example. Dunno if it's can vs glass, the hop varietals, or something else.
I think it takes a hophead to really know which shop to buy IPAs at. I have several very reputable shops I frequent, but only one that I trust with super freshness.
(I'm too lazy/tired to spend my free time squinting at date codes for the most part. I DO always check sucks, though. I think sucks begins to fade at 3 weeks if it isn't refrigerated! so fragile....)
You're not buying it--this is at a tasting. You have every expectation of sharing your opinion at a tasting of course, but do so in an ambivalent way. Not your job to teach anybody, and everybody's taste is different. I'd bet some there thought this particular beer was pretty damn good. Casting a pall on it because you noticed that it is 6 months old is a good way to crap on somebody's contribution to the event. If you think that you're starting to say something that will do that, say it in a different way or keep your mouth shut.
If you see this beer in a store, also keep your mouth shut and just don't buy it.
This is absolutely fucking stupid.
This may work - "You're worthless and weak now drop down and give me 20!"
Or just say that this IPA tastes old, but smile as you say it.
This is a good barley wine.
Why not go all the way: "You stupid S.O.B. Don't you even bother to look at what you're buying? This shit is 6 months old".
"Dude... Ovaltine tastes less malty than the beer you just gave me. Please, try again."
Yo dawg, if you think this ipa is fresh then you be trippin'
That's a great idea. Obviously, we don't know how this all went down because we weren't really there. But in the context of a tasting, I would expect that part of the discussion would be critical. Therefore, no snobbery involved and if anyone as offended, maybe some thicker skin is required. Doing what is suggested here would provide the educational opportunity. If these are friends with whom you taste beers often, then you are sort of obliged to educate them.
In defense of my friends, there are lots of IPAs out there that aren't hop bombs. With all the dry-hopping that goes on these days you get used to a healthy dose of hops, but there other hop profiles that brewers are trying to achieve. We actually had a couple that were malt forward and fresh, so without knowing the age it's possible to think it was just the style for that particular beer. And as we've all noted, everyone has a different palette and likes different things.
*crumples jmw's invitation to next tasting and throws in trash while single tear rolls down cheek*
Invite him to your next Barleywine tasting and tell him to bring another of those delicious IPAs.
you'll be alright
Spit it out all over the place and loudly exclaim that the hops have faded
I think you forgot to close the thread.
" So how do you do this tactfully? Or is it not worth it and I should just bite my tongue next time?[/quote]
Hmnn. Must be a Minnesota thing, overpoliteiosus.
I've never had a problem anything like this, mainly because in almost every situation I am the Alpha Beer Geek. Friends differ to my judgement first, If I decree an IPA past it's prime all within earshot pour it out. Maybe instead of worrying about the hurt feelings of the minions, you need to work on your leadership skills. Get a Grip man! you are a BA!!!!! You have the right, no, sacred duty to educate the masses. Stand up raise your tulip and pour it down your thoat then declare in a very commanding voice " My God! that was a 3.4 rated beer if ever I had one!"
"This beer tastes nothing like a Miller High Life I had in Portland the other day..."
Maybe your friend knew full well that he was purchasing old beer.
"Hey man I think this IPA is old."
Then educate them about dates. There is no snobbery in wanting your beer to taste how the brewer intended.
I did the same thing the other day in a store. Walked out with nothing and when the woman asked me if I hadn't been able to find anything I liked, I said, "actually, you've got some great beers here, they're just all too old for me." I felt like a stupid snob, but they need to hear it. Everyone in the industry needs to hear, constantly, that we're not interested in hoppy ales that aren't fresh.
Exactly. Maybe he was checking to see if anyone/everyone knew about freshness of IPAs, and wanted to see a group response. Sounds to me like a great comic skit set-up.
I'm a firm believer that people need to told when they screw up. That's how we learn...
I'm with most people here--especially in a tasting atmosphere, it's almost an obligation to point out that an IPA is well beyond it's practical shelf life.
However, I have been wondering about the appropriate action in a place of business. How do you tell a retailer that their IPA probably shouldn't be on the shelf anymore? Part of me thinks informing them is the right thing to do. But I don't want to come across as a pompous asshole who is telling them how to run their business.
If you are lucky enough to have a bottle shop in your neighborhood then it's up tot you to tell that fellow why you are buying and why you are not buying. BOTH. That fellow doesn't have to know a thing about beer to try his hand at being a local business man. You can only do him a favor by pointing out old beer and saying I am not buying this because it's old.