How hard is it to make a living from brewing?

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  1. Reidrover

    Reidrover Grand Pooh-Bah (4,886) Jan 14, 2003 Oregon
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    How easy or hard is it to make a OK living from starting a brewery/pub
    I put this in my local forum because i have seen quite a few small operations open up and they seem to do "OK".
    Not talking about getting rich just making a good middle class income.
    Seen a few breweries open in Salem in the last few years and all seem to be doing well ..looking to expand.
    Most dont bottle..just sell to bars and have a tasting room ( they are almost like bars nowadays), usually with a food cart outside.
    With more lax rules on tasting rooms and food carts is it easier than it was even 5 years ago?
     
  2. maltmaster420

    maltmaster420 Initiate (0) Aug 17, 2005 Oregon

    A wise man once said, "The best way to make a small pile of money with a brewery is to start with a big pile of money."

    I know a bunch of brewery owners, and while most of them seem to be doing OK, none of them are driving BMWs or anything. That said, apparently if you play the game right you can get a huge offer from AB after a few years of steady growth.
     
  3. Reidrover

    Reidrover Grand Pooh-Bah (4,886) Jan 14, 2003 Oregon
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    Yeah i am old enough to remember the first bubble and bust of craft beer, but now it seems if you know your stuff and work hard and you find a unsaturated market ( Salem) you can do fine on a local scale.
    And it seems State,County and City governments have made it easier as far as "tasting rooms" and food carts etc.
     
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  5. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    So many variables: How big to start? Long-term growth? What position do you see yourself filling? Do you know folks to fill other positions? On-site sales only? Distribute only locally? Location (both generally[what town/county], and specifically [which neighborhood of town? Zoning?])? Styles? And on & on & on...

    There's a brewery near me, North Fork ( http://www.northforkbrewery.com/ ), that's been in business a fair while. 3bbl system, do their own food. The owners run the place, and the brewer is full-time, probably the kitchen manager/lead chef too. You only see their beer in Bellingham occasionally, and almost never out of Whatcom County. They are at a size that lets them live their lives in the manner they want. It can be done, but they all bust ass. If it can succeed in Deming, WA, it can surely work in the capitol of OR.
     
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  6. kscaldef

    kscaldef Initiate (0) Jun 11, 2010 Oregon

    3 barrels is a pretty small system, especially if you don't have several fermenters you can be running in parallel. Let's say you have 2 fermenters and can turn out a batch once a week. One 3bbl batch is 720 pints. At $5 a pint, you're grossing $3600 a week. $187k a year. Gross, and assuming no lossage. What that's going to leave you once pay rent and utilities and loans and raw materials, I couldn't say exactly, and obviously depends to some degree on where you locate your brewery. It may be a lot more viable in that small town than in the big cities. 720 pints a week also leaves you at risk of disappointing customers when you can't keep your taps consistently filled. Again, perhaps more of an issue in Portland vs a small town.

    I'm ignoring food, as that's a whole set of additional complications that maybe a new brewer / owner doesn't want to tackle at the same time as starting up a brewery. And, I assume North Fork must have more than 2 fermenters / 1 brewday a week if they employ a full time brewer; but this is just to put out the sort of ballpark calculations that folks should do before deciding what's a big enough system.
     
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  7. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Generally, they brew 3 days a week, end up around 600 barrels a year. Again, they do have the restaurant which is very popular and busy, especially during ski season, as it sits right on the way back down from Mt. Baker, so that's a separate thing for our purposes.

    If OP wanted to run a tight ship, be the brewer/sales guy during the day, then work the bar in his tasting room from say 3-7pm, he could do it. Realistically, probably would to hire a couple folks to work the tasting room, while he brews/sells/delivers/does paperwork/insert endless other things.

    Or, OP could go the Nano route to get rolling, like these guys: http://www.foggynogginbrewing.com/ . They brew at night, after work, and open their tasting room (which is in their garage) for a few hours each day on the weekends.
     
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  8. Phobicsquirrel

    Phobicsquirrel Initiate (0) Oct 1, 2013 Oregon

    Honestly, money is important however enjoying one's occupation is the most important. Coming from a possible life direction change I have come to learn that very well. I think opening a brewery is like owning a resturant or any business, it's hard. Though, the rewards can be really good, minus the risk. I've heard 40k or around there quite a bit. I'm sure some popular places around town the owners and brewmasters make a decent income.
     
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