How long does it take to reset your palate from "lupulin shift"?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Lucular, Aug 10, 2018.

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Avoid hoppy beers for a minimum of ___ to "reset" your palate?

  1. I've done this and it works

  2. I've done this and didn't notice much or any difference

  3. 2 weeks or less (guess)

  4. 2 weeks or less (from experience)

  5. 4 weeks (guess)

  6. 4 weeks (from experience)

  7. 6 weeks (guess)

  8. 6 weeks (from experience)

  9. 2 months or longer (guess)

  10. 2 months or longer (from experience)

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  1. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    I have reached points where the hoppiest beers don't taste hoppy at all, and the beers become unenjoyable.

    My guess is not everyone gets LTS, but I have no info on that.

    I can tell you that after no hops at all for three weeks my palate was reset like trying hoppy beers for the first time. YMMV
     
  2. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

    Usually a few days does the trick for me for about any style. Long periods in my experience did not offer any greater benefit than say 2-3 solid days. Probably comes down to how much you drink, your lifestyle regarding exercise/diet, etc. We are all different and our bodies will adapt as such.
    Cheers
     
  3. pat61

    pat61 Initiate (0) Dec 29, 2010 Minnesota

    If I am reviewing beer, I go from the lightest flavored to the most strongly flavored. I switch it up fairly frequently. I have a bunch of old standbys for when I just want to drink a beer and not screw around with a review and these range from Belgians to various forms of IPAs or anything I can get my hands on. If I am grilling and need something for pasting, I might even drink an industrial lager. I have spent too many years destroying my palate with a variety of substances where I wouldn't notice a reset if it happened. I am more in need of a reset after a night of chili peppers.
     
  4. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    There is a similarity between taste buds and muscles.

    If you use a hand held dumbell weight and do a set of 10 reps of a one arm curl you'll have a different impact on the biceps muscle and it will have a shorter recovery time than if you do a set of 30. Thirty reps will have a different impact and shorter recovery time than if you do a set of 100 reps. etc.

    Similarly, the harder and more often you stress your tastebuds with intense bitterness the more they will lose their ability to recognize bitterness and the longer it takes for those tastebuds to recover.
     
  5. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    While accommodation certainly happens in all of the body's systems that are governed by the nervous system, the special senses accommodate a little differently than do muscles after they are stressed by resistance, as accommodation happens due to an altered threshold for an action potential, while alterations in muscular endurance occur due to changes within the muscle itself, like hypertrophy, and not a change in the neurophysiology of the myoneural junction.
     
  6. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Yes. But analogies are not meant to be identities.
     
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  7. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    3 weeks in Bavaria drinking malty lagers did it for me.
     
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  8. SouthernSips

    SouthernSips Zealot (570) Aug 7, 2018 Mississippi
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    I'm forced to beer-fast six months a year. They taste the same when I get home as when I left, but man is it sure cheaper to catch a buzz!
     
  9. Lahey

    Lahey Initiate (0) Nov 12, 2016 Michigan

    I feel like a hearty sammich would reset my palate most days. I get worn out on styles from time to time, but I never feel like the flavor isn't strong enough. Rather, I've stepped down from mostly 7%+ ipas to more in the 5.5-6.5% range and am enjoying the crisp lightness. The flavor is still full to me. I also switch between hoppy and malty for the most part when I drink, so maybe that has an effect on it.

    Upon further thought I did have a week this spring where some ipas tasted maltier than normal, less hop flavor. I attributed it to cutting the lawn messing with my palate, but maybe it was too much hops in my diet.
     
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  10. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    I need to give this question some more thought. Guess I'll just have to cycle back through a lot of beers but I'm game and take my duties seriously.
     
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  11. HorseheadsHophead

    HorseheadsHophead Grand Pooh-Bah (3,732) Sep 15, 2014 Colorado
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    I have no idea. I don't think I've gone more than a week without an IPA since I started drinking them. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
    Sometimes I consider temporarily quitting IPAs, but I never can for long. They're my favorite style of beer, why would I want to stop drinking them, dammit?!?
     
  12. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Last time into Vt I OD on hops, I returned home with a ton of beers and traded or gave most away. The thought of an ipa made me gag and even a Miller Lite was too much for awhile. I went to wine or Bourbon for over two months. It’ll never happen again, I still love them but I rarely drink them, I just resist most average ipas not worth the palate assault. Mostly Pils and the like now. Now if I come across a really great ipa it’s really a treat.
     
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  13. matthewp

    matthewp Pundit (856) Feb 27, 2015 Massachusetts
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    I'd assume most if not everyone would have some sort of LTS. As far as I know everyone has a different intrinsic threshold to capsaicin in spicy food and that threshold moves based on capsaicin intake. Likewise in hoppy beers you have a different threshold to lupulin and that threshold most likely moves based on intake. While the effect is similar the biological processes are different. As I understand it capsaicin affects any tissue it comes in contact with whereas bitterness and hoppiness affect your taste receptors and related senses. Other foods you consume will affect your threshold to bitterness so just removing hoppy beers from your diet aren't going to necessarily change your perception of bitterness.

    I'm not doubting that people notice a change in taste of hoppy beers if they take a break from them. My point was more along the lines of the expectation of what will happen if you take a break. Its going to be a different experience for every person who does this and other things such as intake of other bitter food or drinks will affect it as well (as you said YMMV). I think your experience is probably on the extreme side since your shift makes even the hoppiest beers become unenjoyable without a break.
     
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  14. MikeyBadnews

    MikeyBadnews Zealot (635) Dec 10, 2013 Massachusetts

    I don’t get it at all. It used to be if I was doing a judging I would lay off anything substantial for a week but in the end I found as long as I don’t get ripped late into the night before my palate was pretty much where I needed it to be
     
  15. dcotom

    dcotom Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,637) Aug 4, 2014 Iowa
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    I avoid them only for as long as it takes to get my hands on the next one.
     
  16. LarryV

    LarryV Grand Pooh-Bah (5,420) Jun 13, 2001 Massachusetts
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    I haven't felt the need to reset my palate - hoppy beers are what I enjoy. There's subtle nuances that stand out with each different IPA and I'm happy to experience them. I do drink other styles as well, but inevitably I return to the land of hoppiness.
     
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