Discussion in 'US - Midwest' started by speedydd6, Feb 4, 2017.
They're tapping a new batch on 9/22 - so I'm told.
Another thread got me wondering... what is everyone's favorite liquor store in Indy+suburbs?
I personally like Kahns in terms of selection. However living south, I tend to frequent Big Red or Parti-Pak in Greenwood more often due to proximity.
Lived in Carmel for ~3 years until recently and Vine & Table was my standard, though I do recognize their prices on some tougher to find bourbons, etc., were not always competitive if you were able to find the same product elsewhere.
Crown Downtown is a second best option imo.
I’m also a south sider. The grocery stores tend to have fresher beer than most places if you aren’t looking for something esoteric. The Target on 135 does a really respectable job with Indiana beer. The Big Red on 31/Fry has so much selection, but many of those beers are so far out of code it is embarrassing. The Payless on 135 used to be amazing, but the long time beer guy moved on to another job a few years ago.
Good advice on the grocery stores.
My biggest complaint with Parti-Pak on Stop 11 is also things being way out of date. They seem to relish in the idea of having tons of beer on the shelf, not whether any of it is any good anymore. All the more reason for breweries to date their individual bottles.
Yeah, Party Pak used to be a great place to grab some really hard to find beers. Those days are over and now you are left with super old stock that should be drank fresh. I haven’t been there in probably a year, but the Big Red or Payless there in the mall parking lot was still trying to sell four packs of Cutters. They have been closed at least 2-3 years.
Is 450 north worth the drive from Indy? I’m in Indy on business and have nothing to do this evening. Debating making the drive. Thanks in advance, cheers!
What types of beer do you like? When are you going? Do you want on tap or to go?
I would go to Deviate instead.
Went there last night!
Mostly into hops(NE IPA in particular) sours and stouts. To go would be great, but I wouldn’t mind just trying a bunch of offerings on draft if that’s the only option.
People like some of their taproom only NEIPAs and fruited beers (much like Answer Joose or More fruited). I don't know, but I think when they have a release they normally sell out over the weekend. No idea if they have them on tap (for the weekend or after a release). A friend indicated that they liked Triptych's NEIPAs better than 450Ns special releases (of those that they have tried).
I'd check to see if they have any of those on tap before you make your way down. I personally dislike 450N shelfies, and think they aren't worth writing home about. Anything they produce that people seems to like appears to be taproom only.
I guess that did not help you as much as you'd like. Hope it was moderately helpful, though.
No. Go to Goose the Market and order a sandwich, then take it next door to the Koelschip and get a Central State beer.
Oops, was trying to reply to the original inquiry. Not your recommendation of Deviate. Definitely recommend Deviate too. But if they've already done that, go to the Koelschip.
While I think Goose is great, their prices are crazy for some of their stuff. Even if I had enough money to eat there everyday without a care, I don't think it's a good deal, so to speak. I definitely don't feel like you always get what you pay for.
Stopped at 450 North a few weeks ago. They had a maple imperial stout that was money, but the NEIPAs they had were just okay. Fine if you're there, but certainly not top tier and absolutely not worth the long drive from Indy, imho...
I realize this might be too late to help the OP.
450 North is pretty close to my house. They occasionally knock one out of the park. But you really need to come the weekend of the release because their really good stuff will sell out that day in cans, and usually within a few days on draft. They only do IPAs well, IMO. And their beers that see distro are kind of meh.
I would honestly recommend Taxman overall if you want to drive South of Indy. 450N only if you are just into IPAs, and only if it's within a few days of a release.
Thanks for the tips. Made the trip and along the way stopped at taxman. Very cool spot and had a great selection. At 450 I tried 450 nugs, pina colada fresh froot and 2 “slushy” berliners. Wasn’t blown away, but all weren’t bad. Personally I enjoyed the slushees more that the NE beers. They had a decent selection of to go. Fountain of juice, 450 nugs, 6th anniversary and maybe 1-2 others.
Glad you enjoyed 450. I would say you caught them on a "meh" release of beers. I'm usually really into their triple IPA "rare nuggets" and a few of the Fresh Froot varieties have been excellent. They can usually be found on trade if interested... or PM me.
Def would be interested in swapping hops for hops. More brewing, hop butcher, corridor and forbidden root are a few of the Chicago breweries that can and knock out some great NE beers
Taxman Bean Counter is out. Got a 4 pack at Kroger yesterday. One of my favorite local brown ales. I'm partial to coffee browns.
Also Upland Teddy Bear Kisses taps on Tuesday. Variants coming at the end of the month. Coconut, Smores, Orange, and Bourbon Barrel. Looking forward to these for sure!
I've done some research but hoping to get some personal advice/tips here on an upcoming trip to Indianapolis and Bloomington. We land in Indy at 1:30 p.m. Friday, October 19 and will be spending that day/night in Bloomington. After the PSU-Indiana game Saturday (time still TBD), we'll head back to Indy for the night and fly home early Sunday. Obviously that doesn't leave a ton of time, so I'd like to maximize it as much as possible.
Considering going from airport to Milktooth for lunch and then stopping at either Taxman or 450 North for pours and maybe some cans for tailgating. Worth it? Or would be better off just heading straight to Bloomington and bouncing around Upland, The Tap, and the college bars downtown? Also looking for recommended stores to find 3 Floyds and anything else interesting that I wouldn't normally see in Philly/NJ.
Back in Indy, our plan will be determined somewhat by kickoff time - I'm hoping for noon start so we get back to the city earlier - but I'm looking at Tomlinson Tap and Harry & Izzy's, which are both near our hotel. Not sure if we'll have the time to get up to Goose the Market and Koelschip, but that's on the radar as well. Any other recommendations? How is New Day Craft's mead? I'm relatively new to the mead game so I haven't been totally jaded by Schramm's, Garagiste, etc., if that helps give you an idea of how I'd approach that visit.
I would skip 450 unless they have a release that weekend. It would fit their rotation, but this weekend is their annual beer festival, which might mess up their 2 week rotation. They post release details on Facebook.
I would highly recommend Taxman on your journey south if you like Belgian style beers. Their cans are all over the place down here though. If you just want to find their staples, you might skip them in the interest of time and get cans.
For bottles, Big Red in downtown Bloomington is your best bet. If you happen to come down to Columbus for 450N, The Cork on 46 near I-65 is good too, lots of FFF and would be on your way to Bloomington.
Someone else should chime in about Indy.
If you're in Indy, I would strongly suggest going to Deviate. Always something interesting. As for mead, I can't help out at all.
Absolutely second the Deviate recommendation for Indy, though not close to downtown. It is worth the trip though...Tom Tap is a great spot for downtown as well. Harry and Izzy's is a good lunch spot and the prime rib sandwich is spectacular; if you are looking to go all out with steaks, sides, etc., though, St. Elmo/Harry and Izzy's is a step down from its national counterparts (i.e., Ruth's Chris, Fleming's, Morton's, etc.) imho. Go to Bluebeard instead if you are looking for an awesome local spot. Hotel Tango is a distillery with $$ cocktails as well, right across the street from Bluebeard in Fletcher Place neighborhood of downtown.
Skip 450 North...way out of the way. The beers are over-hyped and it is a significant detour from Bloomington. Hit the Wood Shop at Upland for sours on draft. Big Red on College near 8th for bottles, or Sahara Mart at 2nd and Walnut. The Tap on the square for a huge draft list. Hinkle's for fabulous smashed onion cheeseburgers. A bunch of good ethnic food options on 4th St. Finch's for a classier dining experience on Kirkwood near the sample gates. Nick's for the iconic IU student/alumni bar; great pizza and stromboli sandwiches. Little Zagreb for huge steaks and spicy meat balls. Uptown Cafe or Runcible Spoon for breakfast.
And I'm spent...
Thanks again, @nw2571 @AyatollahGold and @mayorQuimby
I probably should have mentioned Deviate alongside Koelschip in my OP as "if we have time" spots. Hopefully the game is a noon start so we can be on the road back to Indy by 4 p.m. That should give us time to hit at least one of them.
Happened to see yesterday that Schramm's is going to start distro to Indiana. If things are rolling a couple of weeks from now, is it safe to assuming the shops mentioned above are likely to receive bottles?
I have more that I need to add tomorrow regarding your other comments, but Indiana distro is week in general. One of two things will happen when Schramm's first hits:
1) gone. WhT little we get will sell pretty quick at the known stores.
2) Anything fruited will be gone for a couple months. Only ginger and...whtever else non fruited that sits on shelves...will be available.
Just my guess. They have distrod to Ohio for at least 15 months, and the store's that got bottles usually only had 2 or 3. Always ginger. Then sometimes blackberry or Raspberry. Not sure if any of the rarer ones like black Agnes that sees some distro in Michigan will see distro outside of Michigan. Anyway, at that time t least, they never saw anything but Sheffield. The stores I saw with them charged like $18/375 also. Ridiculous. High even for Schramm's.
More in the AM on your other questions.
I'm not a big bar person, so understand that going in. That said, I lived in Bloomington for a bit, and I never had any interest in going to any of the bars. -IF the reason for going was good beer. They rarely had anything that I couldn't get relatively easily in can/bottle. The exception to this is that the Tap would occasionally have something like Mikkeller Traeblud - $6 for a 12oz pour - which you cannot find locally on the shelf. That said, I don't think these offerings are ever anything special. The Tap's offerings brewed by themselves are not good. Their on-site bottle/can selection is at a ridiculous premium. At times I have seen a 3-400% markup for something you CAN find on the shelf.
Note that when you go to Upland, they don't do sample pours. Which is ridiculous (to me).
I Third recomend stoping at Deviate.
New Day Craft: I don't think their mead in and of itself is spectacular. If I was passing through and I liked mead, I'd probably buy a bottle, but I wouldn't pick up one of each of the offerings available.
That said...Their cocktails are fantastic. Some of the tastiest cocktails I have ever tried. They make them with their meads, and they are expensive ($7/each) given that they have relatively little alcohol in them (made with what is probably 1-2 shots of mead). That said, they are stupid tasty. If money was of no consequence, I'd gladly try each one.
This is pretty much what I'd expect. I was in Cleveland a couple of summers ago and there was plenty of Ginger and not much else.
I do 90% of my drinking at home these days because of the almost 2-year-old I live with, so I can relate. I'd expect in Bloomington we'll do Upland for sure and then hop around the college bars. We're there for the game, of course, so checking out campus and the vibe downtown, and crushing a few Bud Lights or whatever in the process, will be a thing. (We're 34, so we won't look TOO out of place.) Sounds like The Tap is hit or miss. I'll have to check and see if their list is online.
Everyone can't be wrong, haha. If the game kicks at noon and we're back in Indy presumably by 5:30 p.m. or so, I'll have to make it up to Deviate. A later kickoff would make things more difficult. Side note: What should I expect traffic-wise heading north out of Bloomington after a football game? I'm expecting some volume at first but not exactly Carmageddon, so hopefully that's the case.
And thanks for the heads-up on the mead cocktails.
Can't speak to the traffic after a game, but they have been doing work on I-69 between bloomington and Indy for...well, I-69 between Evansville and Indy has been under construction for like 12 years now. Can't recall how long it has been from Bloomington-Indy. Anyway, it's 1 lane in a number of areas unless they finished over the last couple months. So, i'd expect some rather significant delays unless anyone else can clarify.
The last few years the traffic heading out of town has been horrible because they are turning State Rd 37 into I-69 and there's been a bunch of 1-lane for the first 15 miles north of Bloomington. But...it was supposed to be in much better shape by now and I moved a year ago and haven't been to a game yet this year, so I can't speak to it in the present. You'll get a feel for it when you drive down from Indy. But I can't emphasize enough that Deviate should be your top priority in Indy, even if it means a little extra time in the car.
If you are looking to hit some of the IU bars, definitely recommend Nick's as mentioned in my first post. Re: the Tap, their list is on their website and is updated daily. Looking at it right now, there's at least 4 - 5 things I'd be thrilled to find at most beer bars. Agreed with @Beer_Economicus that their own beers are not good. They have decent snacks but you'd be doing yourself a disservice to the Bloomington food scene if you ate dinner there...
Re: New Day, it is a cool place in the trendiest part of downtown Indy. The space is cool and the drinks are fine. They do one mead, Breakfast Magpie, that is absolutely phenomenal. But it isn't always available.
Skip 450N. Next release is 10/26.
Anyone hit Garfield Brewing yet? Great space and really well executed beers. Coffee porter was excellent and the IPA is nice as well. They didn’t have anything that a beer geek would get too crazy over, but all I want anymore is just well executed and drinkable beers.
So - a follow up question. When I hear well executed and drinkable beers, the first thing that comes to mind is a brewery like Schlafely. I could drink so much of their stuff easily. But, i wouldn't necessarily gravitate towards them if I was only going to have 2 a week, you know?
Is this what you're getting at with this post?
No, I meant beers that I actually want to drink. I enjoy a NEIPA or big BB stout, but I can’t drink those with regularity. If you like to drink classic styles you will like Garfield. If you are looking for the new beer geek place filled with esoteric beers I don’t think this will ever be that type of place. I get where you are coming from though.
I visited a few weeks after it opened and really enjoyed it for the reasons you mention. I think my favorite beer was their vienna lager. Friendly staff, well-crafted beers in styles everyone can enjoy and a neat location near the park.
Within Indy, if you have the time, go to The Koelschip. Always have excellent beers on tap & in bottles/cans (tons for carryout too) and you can take in Goose the Market food in there.
As for Mead, New Day's stuff is good for the style. All their stuff is carbonated, which Im sure a lot of people into Mead aren't used to. It's more sessionable and a good segway for going from beer to mead. If you do go, I'd suggest going to Kuma's across the street for a burger and they usually have some good beers on tap.
For the store, depending on what FFF you're looking for, I'd humbly suggest going to Crown Liquors on Southport Rd. It's near the 65/465 split, so you can go there and then hop right back on 65 N to go to 465 or just travel a little West to go back on your way to Bloomington. I will say I'm a little biased as I work there part-time. We just got in a case of Heritage and Red Agnes from Schramms. So, for those or the FFF or anything else, I can save some for you in case any flies off the shelf.
red Agnes? I need to visit
I was on Keystone so I stopped in at Kahn's. Grabbed a bottle each of Red Agnes and Heritage Raspberry after puking over the prices. Split a bottle of the raspberry last night with my father-in-law. Sublime stuff. Will never buy again.
Just saw this. Thanks for the offer to set some aside. I sent you a PM.