Indiana Beer love

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  1. ja1022

    ja1022 Sep 27, 2009 Indiana
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    Agree with this 100%. Rivaled 3F early on. Drew came through Pipeworks and Spiteful so he's got great lineage and he killed it at the beginning. Since the Hammond expansion not so much. Even Deal With The Devil is different now.
     
  2. mayorQuimby

    mayorQuimby Jun 5, 2009 Tennessee
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    Agree with a lot of the recent posts. 18th St is definitely still rolling on their early hype, imo. I said earlier in the thread that the In The Shadows beers I had in late-2016 were incredible. Pricey for a 4-pk, but relative to bomber pricing it was comparable. To those beers, though, I only bought them because my store was offering both up for free tasting and I knew then of the quality and freshness.

    I've been burned way too many times now by them. No bottle/can dating. Multiple infection issues with the Hunter beers. Exorbitant pricing on their large format bottles. I digress. I didn't live in Indiana when the quality equaled the hype (if it really ever did?), at their beginning. Either way, if I stumble on the In The Shadows series again and am assured of absolute freshness, I will be pulling the trigger without hesitation. Otherwise, my $ will go elsewhere.
     
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  3. fredmugs

    fredmugs Aug 11, 2012 Indiana
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    Be careful. You'll get banned from their Facebook page if you criticize Hunter bottles. :slight_smile:
     
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  4. rdailey76

    rdailey76 Nov 6, 2003 Indiana

    At least they do something with their Facebook page, because they couldn't trouble themselves to respond to me.

    Just to balance out the "hate" with a positive. A few years back, Flat 12 was having some bottling issues. I reached out to them, received an immediate response along with a growler fill, tour and a couple stickers.
     
  5. JohnnyHopps

    JohnnyHopps Jun 15, 2010 Indiana
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    I'm not sure the theme on 18th Street here is hate, so much as they have become very predictable and expensive.
     
  6. WilliMo

    WilliMo Jan 24, 2016 Indiana

    Yep, and if I had to describe my feelings in a paragraph, I'd say that about most of the central Indy breweries. Deviate is really the only brewery trying to push things, and everyone else is doing the same old stuff and charging quite a bit for it. I don't think I've been to any places that I have actively disliked, but I can't say that I get all that excited to visit any of these places. Sure, they might have one solid beer, but nothing memorable that makes you keep running back.

    I think the other thing that hurts the Indy brewing scene is that our distro has gotten quite a bit better. We have always had Founders and Bells and the other big ones in the neighboring states, but over the last few years we have added places like Praire, Central waters, Evil twin, Clown Shoes etc, and all at pretty reasonable price points. Personally, it makes me grade the Indy breweries with a bit more of a critical eye, knowing that there are lots of readily available solid-great beers just sitting on the shelf waiting to be bought.
     
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  7. CoeurdeLion

    CoeurdeLion Feb 9, 2016 Indiana

    No excuse for poor customer service like that -- you have every right to be mad given that.
     
  8. CoeurdeLion

    CoeurdeLion Feb 9, 2016 Indiana

    Yeah, don't really disagree here, but I'd add that if predictable means regular $11 - $13 sixers of Under Crown, Villain, Rise of the Angels, the APA lineup, etc then it's not really a bad thing for those of us within striking distance of either location -- so freshness isn't an issue. And bomber prices generally suck across the board, so hard to fault them too much in those cases IMO.
     
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  9. JohnnyHopps

    JohnnyHopps Jun 15, 2010 Indiana
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    Up here in Northwest Indiana, I have access to pipe lworks. When I make a trip across the state line, there's a good chance I could find five or six beers I have never even thought of. And to top it off, most of those bombers are only about $10. When 18th Street first opened, based on the lineage, I thought they could be Indiana's version of pipeworks. But look they re-released another IPA today that really isn't that exceptional.
     
  10. shirtless_mike

    shirtless_mike Aug 4, 2010 Indiana
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    18th St have bombers of 6% ABV pale ales collecting dust all over central Indy at about $17. It's ludicrous. I've talked to shop owners and they say they're marking them up on average about 2 bucks just to make something on them. Their gose's go for nearly 20 bucks at most places. Again - $2 markup and they sit forever. My buddy at Payless on 96th has cases of their barleywine (has a snake on the bottle. can't remember the name) and the Contessa saison 2 years old because people won't touch them. Needless to say I'm glad they're falling on their face down here.
     
  11. shirtless_mike

    shirtless_mike Aug 4, 2010 Indiana
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    And like some have recently alluded to - Indy has way better distribution now than we did 2 years ago. It really shines a light on how weak most of our breweries are. Deviate and Central State are really the only ones doing anything exciting. And Bier Brewery who just consistently make incredible styles true to form.
     
  12. chewymangos

    chewymangos Jun 12, 2014 Indiana

    According to a manager at a local shop here he said 18th street self distributes and doesn't give any sort of deal or discount when purchasing their products in bulk so the liquor stores are paying a high price upfront even with 18th skipping a distributor.
     
  13. CoeurdeLion

    CoeurdeLion Feb 9, 2016 Indiana

    The only pale that 18th Street has put in bombers in probably close to two years is Deal with the Devil and that is 8.5% -- and it's $12 or maybe $13 at the brewery. It's also damn good. All of their other pale ales are $11 / 6 pack of cans -- most of them damn good as well.

    Feel free to not buy beer that you think is over-priced, of course, but no need to make stuff up to pile on and bash any brewery.
     
  14. CoeurdeLion

    CoeurdeLion Feb 9, 2016 Indiana

    They distribute through Indiana Beverage.
     
  15. mychalg9

    mychalg9 Apr 8, 2010 Illinois

    I'll be down in Indy for work at the end of March. Anything new on the NW side to check out? Haven't been down there in 4-5 years so have no clue on what the scene is like currently. Any specific beers to look for?
     
  16. chewymangos

    chewymangos Jun 12, 2014 Indiana

    Maybe something has changed because I know they used to self distribute and would see tweets when their van would roll up to the shop to drop beers off.
     
  17. chewymangos

    chewymangos Jun 12, 2014 Indiana

    I didn't see anything made up because here where I am there are multiple bombers available and have been for quite some time. Overlords Revenge, Sinister, Villain and For Rent as well as Deal With The Devil are priced high and Pale Ales/Dipas that have all been released in bombers in roughly the past 2 to 2.5 years. His pricing for the gose's and sours are in line with what I see here for just about any of their bombers. 6 packs of cans are going to run close to $15 or $25 if we are talking about 4 packs of Grapefruit Dead. I also saw Contessa sit on the shelf here for a very long time. Some of these beers are decent to good with very few being truly great but like others have said there are no dates so you can't even be sure how fresh a bottle is.
     
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  18. CoeurdeLion

    CoeurdeLion Feb 9, 2016 Indiana

    The "making stuff up" referred to "6% Pale Ale bombers @ $17" and then talking about only a $2 markup -- none of which is accurate, at least according to folks I know both at the brewery itself and based on what I know that store owners (and now their distributor) pay for their product up here. The bombers that you mentioned seeing all are big DIPAs as opposed to 6% pales, with the exception of For Rent (a 3.5% session beer) -- and if that is going for $17 / bomber, then yeah, laugh and walk away, but if it is, I highly doubt that it is based on what Drew is charging the stores down there, as it is MUCH cheaper than their DIPAs up here when they release it.

    18th Street beer is typically on the expensive side of "normal" up here in NWI at $11 / 6 for APAs and IPAs and $12 - $13 / 6 for DIPAs, with bombers and 750s of sours in the same price range typically, which falls well within the reasonable range IMO.

    The Grapefruit Dead pricing ($22 / 4 here) was really bad, I agree, as have been the prices on some of their BA beers, for which they've gotten some grief here locally. And the DD tickets for the Barrel Massacre were just insulting -- and again, there was major pushback, and then the Anniversary Party tickets were completely reasonably priced.

    Either way, buy what you like and what you feel is priced appropriately -- but no need to exaggerate to throw blame on a brewery for prices that are likely too high due to distributors or retailers. Nor to be "happy" that a good brewery run by a generally good guy is "falling on their face down here," even if that were true, which it isn't. That type of nonsense just rubs me the wrong way, particularly when I know and like some of the people being bashed.

    And BTW -- don't buy any of those bombers IMO. The most recent of those is Deal, which is from around Thanksgiving (at best), the Sinister and Overlord's are from last Spring / Summer (at best), and Villain has only been canned since the moved into the Hammond location (so more than a year). I'd personally take a hard pass on all of those as they are likely pretty faded and crappy by now.
     
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  19. chewymangos

    chewymangos Jun 12, 2014 Indiana

    I misread your post and thought you were making the claims about Pale Ales. I knew most of those were not but was basing the pricing off you including DWTD as one. For Rent was not priced here like that and I think it was closer to $11 or $12. I don't buy the bombers because I know when the store got some of them and I had them back when they were fresh. Were 18th to release the same beer again I would assume they'll get mixed in with what currently sits.
     
  20. mayorQuimby

    mayorQuimby Jun 5, 2009 Tennessee
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  21. CoeurdeLion

    CoeurdeLion Feb 9, 2016 Indiana

    No worries. I try to totally avoid any hop-forward beer that isn't dated as well; I just buy 18th Street stuff at the brewery where it's pretty much always fresh. BTW, if you want to try some fresh stuff from 18th, feel free to BM me -- their IPAs / DIPAs really are top notch and I'd be happy to go $4$ (what I pay up here) on a trade with you. It definitely sucks that you guys in Indy seem to be overpaying for old faded beer, and I understand that frustration having been there myself many times, but IMO that's typically a retail / distribution issue and not primarily on the brewery in most cases.
     
  22. DrippingI

    DrippingI Apr 12, 2012 Indiana

    No love for Central State (sours, brett, & a bit of stouts), Taxman (Belgian styles), Daredevil (solid offerings, also good on being true-to-style), Upland (sours are getting better and most of their 6pk beers are solid like Latitude Adjustment), and so on?
     
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  23. DrippingI

    DrippingI Apr 12, 2012 Indiana

    Well, if you're looking for places strictly on the NW side, then what @mayorQuimby said. Though, there's definitely a few other solid places if you have the time and willing to travel to other parts of the city.
     
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  24. JohnnyHopps

    JohnnyHopps Jun 15, 2010 Indiana
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    @chewymangos already has an 18th street mule, lol.
     
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  25. shirtless_mike

    shirtless_mike Aug 4, 2010 Indiana
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    We Indy guys aren't "overpaying" - hence why their stuff sits everywhere. I'm glad you're friends with the guys there and have their back. Admirable. Doesn't change the fact that they're pricing themselves out of the Indy market.
     
  26. mychalg9

    mychalg9 Apr 8, 2010 Illinois

    Probably will have evenings free, but will only be in town Sunday night-Tues afternoon. Not sure if I'll make it to Deviate if they aren't open M/T but I'll see what time I get into town on Sunday. What else would you recommend if time wasn't an issue? Also is Kahn's on Keystone still the place to shop?
     
  27. TheodorHerzl

    TheodorHerzl Mar 30, 2007 Indiana

    There so many new breweries around Indy that I haven't hit. Thoughts on places open less than a couple years? I'm really like Round Town. Their lager is textbook perfection. I had a pretty sub optimal experience at Redemption and Metazoa. I've not hit 4 Day Ray, Centerpoint, Black Circle, Wabash Brewing, and probably a few more I don't know about.
     
  28. mayorQuimby

    mayorQuimby Jun 5, 2009 Tennessee
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    Deviate closes at 6pm on Sundays unfortunately, so you're likely SOL there...Black Acre on the east side, the Koelschip (Central State) near downtown. Don't waste your time with Kahn's on Keystone. Way out of the way and nowhere near as good as it used to be. Vine & Table in Carmel, Payless on 96th St, Crown Downtown (that's about as far as I would go from the NW side). If you really don't have time constraints, could also journey down to Taxman; awesome place, decent to very good beer and a lot of guest taps, very good food. About 40 minutes from the NW side.
     
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  29. mayorQuimby

    mayorQuimby Jun 5, 2009 Tennessee
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    I think Lazer Raptor is excellent and quite finely priced. For me personally, Upland's standard items are kind of meh. I do think Coast Buster is very good but they don't bottle date either, so I only get it on tap at the source, typically. The sours are too expensive but the fact they're introducing the smaller format bottles now makes me more inclined to buy in every once in awhile. Just had their new batch of Peach at the Tap Mass Ave a couple weeks ago and it was divine.
     
  30. TheodorHerzl

    TheodorHerzl Mar 30, 2007 Indiana

  31. DrippingI

    DrippingI Apr 12, 2012 Indiana

    If time wasn't an issue, I'd recommend the following:
    -Black Circle Brewing (just opened up not too long ago, but awesome space, the few of their own beers that are on tap are solid, and it's really close by to Kahns) --- Kind of close is The Koelschip, which is Central State Brewing's bar. Not 100% sure, but you just might be in town for a couple of their next releases, both of which are quite tasty (especially a BA one).
    -Fountain Square area (La Margarita & Kumas for bars, Chilly Water & New Day for brewery/meadery) --- If you're into arcade games, Tappers is a 1 minute walk from Chilly Water
    -North side Indy (Pint Room & Ale Emporium for bars, Deviate might be open by the time you arrive on Sunday)
    -South side Indy [Taxman (although it's kind of far out) & Mashcraft for breweries, Crown Liquors #2 on Southport Rd. for stores) --- Listed the Crown simply because I work there. hahaha

    To add to the Fountain Square area, Sun King is pretty close by. I'm not the biggest fan of Sun King, but they should have at least a few good beers on by the time you come to town.

    I know I'm missing more good spots to hit, but I'm a bit too tired to list them out.
     
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  32. DrippingI

    DrippingI Apr 12, 2012 Indiana

    Black Circle has a few of their beers on tap now and all of them are solid. Definitely a place to check out, especially since their space is awesome. Plus, if you're into Metal at all, some really good shows will be held there within the next few months (bands like Conan, Uada, Begrime Exemious, etc. will be playing).

    I'm planning on going there probably this Friday, but I've heard good things about Chilly Water, especially their Pilsner. People that I trust have mentioned their Pilsner to be true to style and everything. So, I have a feeling you might want to check them out.

    I haven't been yet, but I'd be interested in seeing how Metazoa's beers transform within the next 6 months.

    I know there are a few other newer breweries like Cannonball, but I can't remember right now.
     
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  33. JohnnyHopps

    JohnnyHopps Jun 15, 2010 Indiana
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    Four Fathers is having its 3rd annv party April 15 where they will be releasing BA Sloth Love Chunk. ... If you are one of the many with nut allergies, you will be disappointed to learn there will be no BA Epipens.
     
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  34. nw2571

    nw2571 Feb 26, 2017 Indiana

    Does anybody know how far south Evil Czech Brewing out of Mishiwaka distributes? Had their stuff at a beer fest and really liked it. Static Chipmunk (dipa) was phenomenal. Bigsby (white stout) was also very good. Surprised not to see them mentioned yet amongst the NW Indiana crowd.
     
  35. DrippingI

    DrippingI Apr 12, 2012 Indiana

    They at least distribute as far South as Indianapolis. Though, I know they were in a bit of shitstorm last year, something about one of their waiters, sexual harassment, and the manager not doing anything? I can fully remember the details, but I do know it made quite a few people pissed off at the brewery. That might be why not too many people talk about them?
     
  36. nw2571

    nw2571 Feb 26, 2017 Indiana

    Thanks for the info. If you know of a location in Indy with a good selection of ECB please let me know.
     
  37. DrippingI

    DrippingI Apr 12, 2012 Indiana

    I'd imagine we'll be seeing their stuff pop up more within the next 6 months as they just signed up with the distributor Craftroads Beverage.

    As of right now, I only know of Parti Pak and possibly downtown Crown. There might be some others, but I don't know off hand.
     
  38. nw2571

    nw2571 Feb 26, 2017 Indiana

    Some love for those south of Indy...

    Taxman in Bargersville as mentioned is very good.

    Upland has some good beers if you get away from the normally distributed stuff. Coastbuster, Helios Pale Ale, Hopsynth (sour) are all good. They're really focusing on sours of late.

    Zwanzigs in Columbus is similar, if you can get away from the heavily distributed stuff, they always have 3-4 barrel aged beauties (and good pizza).
     
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  39. shirtless_mike

    shirtless_mike Aug 4, 2010 Indiana
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    Zwanzigz barrel aged stuff is among the best in the state. Yet nobody knows they exist down there in Columbus. Can't beat a flight of those before an order of their pizza and breadsticks.
     
  40. mayorQuimby

    mayorQuimby Jun 5, 2009 Tennessee
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    Some more love for Zwanzigz. They're never top of mind because you never see their stuff in Indy, but the pizza/breadsticks are very good and they always have some excellent stuff on tap. My wife is from Columbus; when we lived out of state and were visiting/staying down there, frequently hit Zwanzigz and always thoroughly enjoyed it.
     
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