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Is Dark Lord really worth it?

Discussion in 'Great Lakes' started by raynmoon, May 2, 2012.

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  1. raynmoon

    raynmoon Crusader (724) Aug 13, 2011 Colorado
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    Spending 50-150$ per bottle, or waiting for hours in line (in the rain =P) just to get a taste, or does that beer, and it's Vanilla Bean aged brother, just appeal to those willing to spend the money.

    I'm sure there are many other stouts equally as good if not better.

    Having said that, I'd love to make the trip and attend the event some day, but only once ha.
  2. aceboogie

    aceboogie Initiate (160) Apr 12, 2012 Illinois
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  3. AutumnBeerLove

    AutumnBeerLove Aspirant (238) Oct 16, 2010 Vermont
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    A few months ago I had some '05 and '06 DL. The '05 was easily one of the greatest beers I've ever had, much better than having it fresh IMO. I have a couple of this years on the way through a trade and hope to obtain more. After that, well...I hope to age a couple for maybe 5 or 6 years! Cheers!
  4. Aml42000

    Aml42000 Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2011 Washington

    I'm certain that it is a great beer. That said, I avoid events where I have to show up hours in advance and wait in line for a taste of beer like the plague. Much less, buy a ticket and an airfare to Chicago for the privilege of tasting and paying those prices.

    I wouldn't fault anyone who did it, I guess it just isn't worth the effort for me.
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  5. ShogoKawada

    ShogoKawada Meyvn (1,247) May 31, 2009 Pennsylvania

    No, I don't think so. The party sounds fun but if I went I'd skip buying bottles.
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  6. WillCarrera

    WillCarrera Initiate (0) Oct 11, 2010 Ohio

    I haven't opened my vanilla yet, so idk about that one, but seriously DLD isn't even about Dark Lord anyway.
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  7. Bryan

    Bryan Initiate (0) Feb 29, 2012 Michigan

    It's an event. You go, you share, you taste, you sample, you meet people, make friends, buy beer, taste more beer, and just have a blast overall.

    If you get a golden ticket, pay the $50 and pick out a rare bottle. If DL or stouts aren't your thing, then make a few trades with people that do and get some tasty treats you enjoy.

    It was a little chilly on Saturday and some of the lines were long, but it was nothing close to KBS day...
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  8. raynmoon

    raynmoon Crusader (724) Aug 13, 2011 Colorado
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    So you buy a ticket to wait in line and spend more money? ...
  9. cpinto6

    cpinto6 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2010 Georgia

    I'd love to attend the event but just because of the festivities and all the awesome beers that get cracked. I would pretty much trade my whole allotment on the spot or not even buy it at all. DL doesn't suit my tastes at all. Reminds me of soy sauce combined with the sweetness of eel sauce.
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  10. cpinto6

    cpinto6 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2010 Georgia

    Amazing isn't it...the things that a brewery can get you to do.
  11. raynmoon

    raynmoon Crusader (724) Aug 13, 2011 Colorado
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    At least Vinnie at Russian River doesn't make you buy a ticket to taste Pliny the Younger.
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  12. Thickfreakness

    Thickfreakness Initiate (0) Oct 2, 2010 New York

    Really great IRS... but to me, not worth it! It gets amazing as it ages and i'm really glad I have some older vintages (07/08/10/11)... I'm not sure tho, that I'd be willing to sit on line in the rain and deal with all the A-holes just to get a bottle or two. Who am I kidding... I probably would! I can name close to 20 more Imperial Stouts I'd rather have... but I would never give up a chance to have a Dark Lord...
  13. ChadQuest

    ChadQuest Initiate (0) Mar 4, 2009 Illinois

    Yea, waiting in line sucks. I hated having to drink Wooden Hell, Golden Blend, Chocolate Rain,JJ Blauw,Pegs #100, and 50 others......With a bunch of friends, and meeting new people in person you have talked to online......

    DLD sucks. Why the hell do i keep going.

    Truth be told, i like Dark Lord, but even if there were no Dark Lord there, i would still go to DLD for twice the price.
  14. dsal89

    dsal89 Disciple (331) Jul 6, 2008 Indiana
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    Some people dont care for it and think it is too sweet or just over hyped or whatever.

    I had it for the first time at DLD and i thought it was fantastic. I loved how sweet it was and just loved everything about it. So to me? Yes it is worth it. But this is why there is so much other beer...because we all have opinions.
  15. cpinto6

    cpinto6 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2010 Georgia

    Vinnie is in a fringe of his own...you won't meet many, if any brewery owners like that guy.
  16. cpinto6

    cpinto6 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2010 Georgia

    Do the tickets come with anything or they just let you get in and that's it? Do you have to pay for the samples of w/e they have on tap?
  17. Bryan

    Bryan Initiate (0) Feb 29, 2012 Michigan

    Tickets get you the chance to purchase up to 4 bottles of DL. The ticket proceeds go to charity, if memory serves correctly. It's much better to have a ticketed event so that you know whenever you show up you are guaranteed the specified allotment.
  18. aceboogie

    aceboogie Initiate (160) Apr 12, 2012 Illinois
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    Its an event one must experience. atleast once.
  19. raynmoon

    raynmoon Crusader (724) Aug 13, 2011 Colorado
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    I've never been, and I might sound like an Ass, but I believe tickets just allow you entrance to the event/ pub while you still pay for pints and bottles. Can anybody confirm this?
  20. WillCarrera

    WillCarrera Initiate (0) Oct 11, 2010 Ohio

    yeah they just let you get in.
  21. Bryan

    Bryan Initiate (0) Feb 29, 2012 Michigan

    It allows you in the gates to the general event. You have to wait in line to get in the pub proper (where the DL variants are on tap) FFF has multiple stations set up so that you can get other regulars on draft (like ZD). They even had a tap station set up as you waited to get DL.
  22. WillCarrera

    WillCarrera Initiate (0) Oct 11, 2010 Ohio

    or where they aren't on tap and they only have barrel-aged black sun!!! I still haven't totally gotten over that
  23. RandomName7

    RandomName7 Initiate (0) Feb 22, 2012 Washington

    DL - No
    DLD - Yes
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  24. Pahn

    Pahn Meyvn (1,456) Dec 2, 2009 New York
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    sounds like a great event to me. as for buying a ticket for the chance to pay more money for a beer, honestly i'd much rather buy a ticket and have a guarantee (or at least drastically higher chance) to buy the beer than wait in line and possibly leave empty handed.

    edit: incidentally, the beer itself, i'm not sure... if its final gravity is as high as people say, i don't understand how it could be very good. at the same time, beer geeks usually know what's up, so if the majority of them like it, they're probably on to something.
  25. Schmittymack

    Schmittymack Defender (642) Sep 3, 2008 Colorado
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    Personally, I like DL very much, though I like a couple other stouts better (BCBS, Rare, Uncle Jacob's to name a few). It's great to keep my vertical going and the party at DLD is actually quite fun if the weather cooperates. This year's weather wasn't that bad since it stopped raining long before we got there around 8:30.
  26. mdvatab

    mdvatab Zealot (574) Apr 5, 2006 Indiana

    With the ticket, you're guaranteed an allotment of regular Dark Lord (this year the allotment was 4 bottles/person, and cost was $15/bottle). In addition, you're given a scratch-off "Golden Ticket" just before buying your allotment. If you have a winning ticket, you have the option to buy a bottle of rare barrel-aged Dark Lord. This year, the rare bottles were $50 ea.

    About the beer itself-- is it brewed to style? I'd say no. It's very different from your typical RIS. Some love it, others slam it for being "over-hyped". I love it, tho.
  27. deadonhisfeet

    deadonhisfeet Poo-Bah (1,505) Apr 23, 2011 Kentucky

    I've wondered about this myself. Can DL (and all its variants) really be that good? More importantly, I freaking HATE crowds of people. I love music and sports, but I can't stand attending concerts and ball games. If I go to hell when I die, I'm sure it will resemble an amusement park.

    Still, the allure of this event and the opportunity to share rare beers and meet other beer advocates makes me more than willing to put up with the circus. Like you though, I'd probably just do it once. Tell you what, next year if I manage to get tickets I'll let you have one. If you can get them, you let me have one. Deal?
  28. BladeRunner

    BladeRunner Aspirant (210) Apr 4, 2007 Illinois
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    It's def worth it to at least try it. I wouldn't say it's the best RIS, but it's up there.
  29. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    One of you should fly me out to DLD 13 and I will give my full assesment of the event and the beer.
  30. Brew33

    Brew33 Crusader (746) Oct 24, 2007 Ohio
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    Personally I think Dark Lord is an awful beer but I would LOVE to go to DLD.
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  31. 5thOhio

    5thOhio Zealot (501) May 13, 2007 South Carolina

    Obviously, the whole DLD thing appeals to the extreme geek end of the beer spectrum. Personally, I like craft beer because it tastes good. And that's it.
  32. FooFaa

    FooFaa Guest (0)

    IMHO, Dark Lord is an excellent beer. Is it my favorite RIS? Probably not. There are a few I like better. Would I spend $50+ on a bottle of it? No. Would I spend days of my life traveling 1500+ miles to wake up at the butt-crack of dawn to stand in the rain for hours to buy some? Again, no.

    That said, DLD is a terrific time, and well worth the effort to get there. I was there in 2007, and was fortunate enough to go again this year. To me, it exemplifies what craft beer is all about. It's a group of like-minded, friendly, and generous people gathering to share some great beers, thoughts, and relationships.

    While "liking craft beer because it tastes good" is a big part of it for me, it's certainly not all of it. Hell, it's not even half the story. My enthusiasm for craft beer is based on my desire to be a part of a great community and subculture. I get more out of sharing a bottle of world class beer with friends, and watching them light up with excitement than drinking the beer itself. I love hanging out and connecting with good people (of various levels of beer geekery). I love the life-long friendships I've developed as a result of participating in the craft beer community.

    So, is the beer worth the money and effort? Probably not. Is Dark Lord Day worth going out of your way to attend? Absolutely.

    And on top of it all Vanilla Bean Dark Lord is easily counted among my top five favorite beers of all time. To get a taste of that beer is worth the effort required. I was fortunate enough to get a bottle of the Bourbon Vanilla Bean Dark Lord, and when the time comes to share it with some friends, that'll make it all the more worthwhile.
  33. stupac2

    stupac2 Zealot (518) Feb 22, 2011 California
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    I've never had the BA ones, but the '11 is among the worst beers I've had. The older ones get better (to where '09 is actually pretty good). I don't know if it's age or what, but '11 didn't improve at all over about 8 months.

    So my answer is no, it's not.
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  34. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2010 Michigan

    The last couple years the "regular" Dark Lord has been a bit disappointing. I favored the vintages that you basically had to chew to drink.

    2008 Dark Lord will forever be among my top few beers. Fairly easily my favorite non-barrel aged stout I've ever had.

    All that said, last year's barrel aged versions of Dark Lord were incredible, with the one exception being the de Muerte as it warmed up (I liked it a lot when it was cold though).
  35. ShanePB

    ShanePB Poo-Bah (1,656) Sep 6, 2010 Pennsylvania
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    The '11 vintage was quite bad. Cooked veggies in my beer?!
  36. atoulouk

    atoulouk Initiate (0) Apr 25, 2011 Indiana
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    I've never been, but would like to sometime. I usually end up buying 1 bottle from buddy that goes for $20. Its nice to drink once a year or so, but isn't as high of quality as other stouts I've had.
  37. MaxSpang

    MaxSpang Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2011 Ohio
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    Is it worth waiting in a line for 20-30 minutes while drinking/sharing beer the whole time and spending $15 per bottle? Absolutely.

    Is it worth spending $70+ on ebay to grab a single bottle? No.
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  38. DSho

    DSho Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Florida
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    If they all taste like the 09 I just drank then fuck yes!
  39. FosterJM

    FosterJM Poo-Bah (2,719) Nov 16, 2009 California
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    So I quess I need to man up and go one year. Hated the base DL. Think the party would be kick ass!

  40. M1A2

    M1A2 Initiate (191) Jan 15, 2012 Ohio
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    I can not speak for everyone but i have had the '11, '12 Darklord and both to me were super good!! At the top of my RIS list for sure! Thats the great thing about beer there is always somthing for everyone.
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