Site is it bad to rate beers high all the time?

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  1. justyouraveragebeerguy

    justyouraveragebeerguy Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois

    I find myself always giving beers above 3.5 when I sit down and rate them on paper. I just like beer and I feel like a beer really has to be bad to even get a 3/5. Is this bad? What beer do you hold as your 3/5
  2. Dope

    Dope Poo-Bah (2,329) Oct 5, 2010 Massachusetts

    That is pretty typical on this site. Around here, a 3 is generally the bare minimum to even be drinkable and some would disagree with that assertion. Just look at the rogue voodoo series, they're around a 3 and are commonly referred to as some of the worst beers around. 3.5 is just average and 4 is where they start getting pretty good. 4.25 and above are amazeballs.

    (these is my highly unscientific findings after being around here for a few years)

    Edit: I just went back and looked, you've only reviewed Zombie Dust, CBS and Westy 12. I'm pretty sure it's normal to give those really high ratings. :slight_smile:

  3. PsilohsaiBiN

    PsilohsaiBiN Defender (608) Aug 10, 2010 New York
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    Even an F in school is up to 65 numerically...makes sense.
  4. fehrminator

    fehrminator Disciple (345) Jan 26, 2008 North Carolina
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    I try to rate to a 3 average. On BA if a beer is below a 3.5, I usually pass it by. A 4 is a really good beer and anything over that has to be world class.
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  5. kemoarps

    kemoarps Meyvn (1,008) Apr 30, 2008 Washington
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    I've struggled with this issue myself (not, like, a lot, but, you know...). I figure 3 is neutral (on the like/dislike scale) therefor anything below a three is less than neutral meaning not worth drinking. I try not to drink things I don't want to drink .:. most of my reviews fall between 3.5 and 4.5, 3.5 being 'meh, it's ok, better than nothing, but not outstanding'
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  6. justyouraveragebeerguy

    justyouraveragebeerguy Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois

    I guess Pliny the elder. I haven't had it on tap though
  7. beergurujr

    beergurujr Aspirant (230) Oct 27, 2003 Illinois

    Dude, don't rate them while high. Your judgement is impaired. OTOH, it's probably more enjoyable. ;P
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  8. UCLABrewN84

    UCLABrewN84 Poo-Bah (12,170) Mar 18, 2010 California

    Just follow your heart.
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  9. JohnDMartin

    JohnDMartin Initiate (0) Jan 13, 2013 Kentucky

    So I always wanted to use the mathematical or scientific, whatever it is, symbol .:. "therefore" but was never smart enough to do so, use it on a keyboard that is... Thanks for enriching my day!
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  10. fmccormi

    fmccormi Meyvn (1,287) Oct 24, 2010 California
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    What? No, of course not, what kind of question is that?
    Oh, well when you put it that way, I mean, I guess, maybe . . . I definitely agree with a lot of folks in using 3 as "average" for a beer. But, average is entirely subjective, and to be honest I simply don't waste time and money buying and reviewing beers that I'm expecting to be anywhere around "average." I'm po', man. If I'm gonna drop money on some fancy beer, I want it to be some damn good beer / high value. As a result, very few of my ratings are much below 4/5, and I'm still holding 3 as "average" (in my head, anyway).
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  11. cjoc83

    cjoc83 Aspirant (282) Jul 31, 2010 Pennsylvania
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    The bigger problem is people not rating to style. Someone who drinks DIPAs and imperial stouts regularly will drink a pale ale or (heaven forbid) a kolsch or something, and rate it low because it isn't 'packed with flavor'.

    As far as rating beers between 3.5 and above, I think most of us typically buy certain styles and/or certain breweries we know we like, and let's face it, the broad spectrum of craft beer is pretty amazing. I've drain-poured maybe 2 or 3 beers in my entire life. Even if I'm not particularly fond of a beer, I can at least usually appreciate the craftsmanship and realize that the flavors just don't agree with my personal palette. The tricky part is discerning when a beer just isn't your cup of tea or if it's just poorly crafted.
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  12. fmccormi

    fmccormi Meyvn (1,287) Oct 24, 2010 California
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    Absolutely. Agree with you on all points.
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  13. cyrushire

    cyrushire Crusader (728) May 25, 2012 Florida
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    I'm always high when I rate beers.
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  14. TheSixthRing

    TheSixthRing Poo-Bah (2,295) Sep 24, 2008 California

    Well, some styles are just better than others. :stuck_out_tongue:

    In all honesty though, even beeradvocate asks to make a judgement call on personal taste vs style. I Know I have a hard time giving anything more than a 4 out for many of the lagers out there, if only because 99% of them don't wow me, even if I find them good and drinkable.
  15. stonermouse

    stonermouse Devotee (482) Aug 16, 2006 Massachusetts
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    I actually think that the proliferation and obsession with "styles" is a detriment to beer appreciation. If beers were pies, there would be no "perfect 5" mincemeat pies. IPAs and Imperial Stouts are the apple and pumpkin pie of the beer world- they dominate the overall ratings and conversation because they taste better on the whole.

    That being said, since I usually drink the apple and pumpkin pies of the beer world, they tend to get good ratings. When I drink the occasional mincemeat, it usually doesn't grade as high.
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  16. westcoastbeerlvr

    westcoastbeerlvr Poo-Bah (1,657) Oct 19, 2010 California

    I hate the grade inflation that is rampant on here. It's such that I have a lot of mediocre beers with an average rating of 4. That shouldn't happen. When I rate, here's my general rubric:
    1-2: God-awful. Serious off-flavors. Cannot finish. Would not touch again, even if that's all that is available. Examples include: A lot of Mikkeller experimental shit, Indian Wells, and Triple Bock.

    2-3: Just not that good. Would not order again, most likely. No serious off flavors, but not that special either. E.g. random Bruery Provisions beers, most Sweetwater beers, several of the generic brewpubs' near me entire lineups.

    3-4: Solid beer, especially with regards to style. Would probably drink if at a random bar without great choices. A lot of "good" beers fall into this area. They still don't have that special pizazz that makes me stand up and take note.
    E.g. A lot of beers: most beers that don't wow me, with special preference given to factors of aroma and finish.

    4.0-4.5: Very good beers. Amongst the best in the style. Thankfully, there are enough awesome beers in the world, these are the ones I usually consumer on any given night.

    4.5-5: The best of the best. Very few beers get these scores, but these are the beers I dream about and would never pass up the opportunity to drink if offered. E.g. Bad Boy, Citra, Great, Nelson, the best Cantillons, etc.

    It's not exactly a bell-curve, but there are a lot of beers that fall between the 2-4 range. Not that many get above a 4, unless they really blow my socks off.
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  17. klaybie

    klaybie Initiate (0) Nov 15, 2009 Illinois

    Beat me to it. Damn!
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  18. Iheartbarleywines

    Iheartbarleywines Initiate (0) Mar 1, 2013 Illinois

    You should send Arbitrator a BM and ask him. He is an educated man with great opinions on the matter.
  19. kawilliams81

    kawilliams81 Meyvn (1,248) Feb 27, 2009 Illinois
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    Not if you are drinking really good beers.
  20. Iheartbarleywines

    Iheartbarleywines Initiate (0) Mar 1, 2013 Illinois

    NVM i just heard he got banned.
  21. DerekMorgan

    DerekMorgan Disciple (372) Jan 15, 2013 Massachusetts
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    My lowest so far was a 3 but I also skip rating things I drink as cheap sessions like PBR because it's pointless really. It is mostly a matter of taste though, my roommate is really into stouts and doesn't enjoy hoppy beers so we had a couple Heady Ts and he didn't want to finish his because it was too hoppy. If he were to rate it he would probably rate it really low because of his personal taste but for me as a hop head it's in my top 3. Just rate on your judgement but if you know you dislike a certain style don't review it with bias, just review the styles you enjoy and judge off your personal favorites in the category.
  22. brewtus

    brewtus Zealot (549) Dec 29, 2012 Ohio
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    5=5 and 3=0 , a 2 is bud ice and a 1 is dip spit
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  23. RoninTK3

    RoninTK3 Aspirant (234) Nov 12, 2012 New Hampshire
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    I have a tendency to only write reviews of beers that elicit a strong reaction so my reviews tend to all be very good, minus the couple very bad ones. Not much in the middle.
  24. ThePorterSorter

    ThePorterSorter Meyvn (1,423) Aug 10, 2010 Oregon
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    Well is it more of an indica or satty kind of...oh wait, like as in numerically high. I sleep at night knowing there are plenty of BA members/reviewers willing to give beers obscenely low scores (just compare 1:1 scores with ratebeer avgs).
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  25. fmccormi

    fmccormi Meyvn (1,287) Oct 24, 2010 California
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    Now that I think about it, usually the only beers that I end up giving shitty ratings are usually beers that are 1) shitty and 2) given to me for whatever reason. And that said, I won't write a review if I know it's skunked or really old or subject to some other poor condition like that. And, I try to use the best glassware available (so even malt liquor gets my Duvel Single tulip, at least).

    The other time that I write reviews for shitty beer is when I'm traveling, especially in other countries, because I consider it part of the tourist experience or some form of cultural immersion. Ex.: see all the Brazilian beers I've reviewed. Most of them are mediocre at best. And next time I travel to Texas, and don't have the time or money to pick up Jester King or something like that, you can bet your ass I'll be picking up cans of Lonestar and Lonestar Light.
  26. templar316

    templar316 Initiate (0) Apr 6, 2007 Pennsylvania

    I'm always trying to balance my love of beer with the desire to give an objective reveiw... But the first time I had Utopias, BCBS, Hopslam, I realized I was being far to generous to stuff that was really not as good.
  27. Tinfang

    Tinfang Disciple (356) Jun 20, 2011 California

    My reviews are a bit skewed to the high side since I'm hesitant to post a negative review of something I don't like, although I have done it (Carlsberg Elephant). Maybe I got a bad bottle (Trader Joe's annual offering by Unibroue). Maybe it's a style that was a bad fit for my taste buds (Flanders Red). If i post a review I either had a few samples on different occassions or the beer had an immediate unshakeable impression on me.
  28. dieBlume

    dieBlume Initiate (0) Mar 18, 2013 Virginia

    Being new to all this, I tend to look up beers before even trying/purchasing them. Most of the beers I've had tend to have higher ratings to begin with. I also tend to rate on the higher side, because my sample size of beers I've had is pretty small. (Most of them are 4 or above on here, and that's also how I feel about them once trying them.)

    I also don't rate beers that are styles I tend to shy away from because I feel like that's just a really unfair rating. If I don't like the style, I'm not going to say it's a bad beer. My palate is just used to other types.
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  29. devilben02

    devilben02 Zealot (536) Nov 26, 2008 North Carolina

    The problem is that if 90% of the beers in the database are rated between 3.0 and 5.0, there is much less ability to discriminate among the merely good, the above-average, the very good, and the truly great beers. You're not going to hurt a brewer's feelings if you rate their year-round pale ale as a 2.3 because it was fine but not worth buying again. A lot of people seem to think that if they enjoy a beer, it must be above average. There is a lot of enjoyable beers out there, though, which should mean that average can be pretty damn good, not that pretty damn good must be above average.

    What's the point of having a 5-point scale if no one is willing to use the whole range?
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  30. CircusBoy

    CircusBoy Initiate (0) Mar 10, 2008 Ohio

    I'm kind of lazy so I don't review too much on here, only un untapped. I make it pretty simple; 1=bad (don't even want to drink it), 2=ok (would drink it but not buy it), 3=good (would but it but not often), 4=very good (would buy often), 5=great (wish I had it in my fridge all the time)

    As a side note, I think very few people truly actually rate to style. I'll be the first to admit that I don't.
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  31. Jacurdy60

    Jacurdy60 Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2013 Massachusetts

    No. Beer is really fucking good.
  32. Beerswag

    Beerswag Devotee (485) Jan 16, 2013 California
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    Tap into your chi while drinking your beer. First enjoy it no matter can always go back and edit your reviews of beers, based on comparison in the latter. Our taste for beer is always evolving, and going through stages. We will always have our favz, and that is what makes the style of our critique Unique. Salud, Cheers!!#Beerswag#
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