Is it legal to sell beer past it's "sell by" date?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by SteelCity75, Feb 7, 2013.

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  1. SteelCity75

    SteelCity75 Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2013 Connecticut

    I recently went into our local liquor store (which I had never looked for beer in), just to see what kind of beer selection they had. At first I was expecting only BMC, but was happy to find Sierra Nevada, Samuel Smith and Samuel Adams, among others. I was considering getting a beer there, but then I realized something on a few of the bottles. The Samuel Adams Boston Lager was dusty and said "Drink by Jun 2012". There was also a bottle of Samuel Adams Oktoberfest that said "Drink by Feb 2012" Along with that, all of the Rogue bottles were extremely dusty, although I couldn't see if there was a "drink by" date on them or where to find it.

    Is this legal? They sell Samuel Smith's Organic Chocolate Stout which I've been excited to try but unable to find around me, but now I'm worried that I'll end up getting something that should've been drank months, possibly years ago.
  2. emannths

    emannths Initiate (199) Sep 21, 2007 Massachusetts

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  3. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Defender (637) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado
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    All I can say is that if it isn't, there's alot of beer criminals out there. I suggest staying away from that store.
    Edit: I just check where you are from. From what I have gleaned from these posts, in your location you may be shit out of luck as far as stores go.
  4. Northlax3

    Northlax3 Initiate (85) Aug 19, 2012 New Jersey
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    i would assume the sam smiths would last a while. organic and a stout.

    But otherwise, yes it is legal. Unfortunately. They are guidelines, not rules.
  5. stonermouse

    stonermouse Devotee (487) Aug 16, 2006 Massachusetts
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    Legal, but bad juju.
  6. papat444

    papat444 Initiate (0) Dec 28, 2006 Quebec (Canada)
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    A recurring theme in many beers stores. I don't think it's illegal but it is wrong.

    That's only been out a few months so i would grab that for sure.
  7. TheBeerAlmanac

    TheBeerAlmanac Savant (967) Mar 3, 2011 Kentucky
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    There is a chance it will ferment if you do.
  8. Steimie

    Steimie Initiate (0) Jan 7, 2012 Michigan

    Yes. It's also legal to sell beers prior to their "best after" dates.
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  9. Ri0

    Ri0 Poo-Bah (2,562) Jul 1, 2012 Wisconsin
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    Oh yes, just like it is illegal to drive over the speed limit.
  10. SteelCity75

    SteelCity75 Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2013 Connecticut

    That is just so extremely lame. I feel bad for anyone that goes in thinking "Hey, I've never had anything but BMC, maybe I'll try something new! I've seen Samuel Adams commercials!" then grabs some of that stuff which could possibly taste terrible now, and be turned off from experimenting with new beers again.
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  11. VncentLIFE

    VncentLIFE Meyvn (1,417) Feb 16, 2011 North Carolina
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    Then selling aged bottles would be illegal.
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  12. OddNotion

    OddNotion Devotee (478) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    Best by dates are arbitrarily set by the brewer based on their own opinion. The beer may taste worse but it wont make you sick.
  13. Steimie

    Steimie Initiate (0) Jan 7, 2012 Michigan

    6 month old Boston Lager > Fresh Bud Light
  14. Ri0

    Ri0 Poo-Bah (2,562) Jul 1, 2012 Wisconsin
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  15. Highbrow

    Highbrow Devotee (476) Jan 7, 2011 California
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    the inverse response:

    is it legal to be dense enough to buy beer past it's sell by date? to me, both questions kinda assume there's something wrong on purpose. also FWIW some people actually like finding certain beers past the suggested date. i believe some lunatics even refer to it as something folks describe as "aged"?
  16. bradcochran1234

    bradcochran1234 Initiate (0) Jan 22, 2011 Georgia

    Think of it as you owned a bottle shop or beer store...
    Your selection is huge and you have a ton of beer to choose from. You buy case after case of awesome IPA's and other beer that does not work well with age. With so much selection some of your items get overlooked and you run past the date. Do you just keep taking loss on out of date bottles and throw them in the dumpster out back? Would this loss not eventually catch up with your numbers at the end of the day? Or, should you let it stay on the shelf and let someone purchase it hoping that they don't taste any off flavors and continue to shop at the store?
    This is such a tough topic, especially as a beer manager and we suffer with it everyday. Our distributor who deals with most of our craft selection doesn't check their dates and swap things out. It's pretty much, you buy, you sell it. If it goes out of date, you can sell it and you take a hit.
    Also, just a little side note. These best by dates are subjective. The brewery says this beer taste best before this date. I have tasted old IPA's that are weeks to months past date and while not as good and fresh tasting as before they still taste fine. I have also tasted some that were god awful. To shorten this up a little...Yes, it is legal.
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  17. mdomask

    mdomask Aspirant (274) May 27, 2012 Illinois
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    Freshness dating is not federally mandated in any way (except on infant formula) by the FDA. It is a purely voluntary process by the food industry. This would probably fall into ATF jurisdiction, anyhow.

    And the dates on beers are suggestions, too. One day doesn't make a difference on a stout, and we all know that hours matter on Pliny/Heady :wink:

    I place the blame for this squarely on the distribution rep for these brands. They should be working with the shop to ensure fresh product.
  18. CyPotter

    CyPotter Initiate (0) Mar 1, 2008 Colorado
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    Even great beer shops have this problem. Chucks in Seattle stocks so many bottles/varieties that I frequently find some of my favorites like Boulevard way past their best by date because they are so rarely bought it appears.
  19. emannths

    emannths Initiate (199) Sep 21, 2007 Massachusetts

    Ever heard of a clearance sale...?
  20. bradcochran1234

    bradcochran1234 Initiate (0) Jan 22, 2011 Georgia

    Assuming you mean Clearance Sale on close dated beer, yes. And then what do you do when it goes out of date. The point is, as a BA, you should know better than to buy out dated beer.
  21. krl2112

    krl2112 Crusader (735) Nov 10, 2012 Illinois
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    Yes it's legal. I found a GI Demolition 2 months ago which is over a year past and it was great. Take a chance.
  22. emannths

    emannths Initiate (199) Sep 21, 2007 Massachusetts

    I'd just keep dropping the price till it's gone. I think it's ok to sell out-of-spec beer so long as the consumer is aware (e.g., have a separate "old-and-cheap beer" section).
  23. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Defender (637) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado
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    And although it costs plenty to have enough refrigeration to keep certain beers fresh, lo and behold it actually works.
  24. BoneyardBrewer

    BoneyardBrewer Initiate (105) Apr 24, 2005 Michigan

    the Chocolate Stout has only been available the last few months. It will be fine.
  25. IdrinkGas

    IdrinkGas Savant (969) Feb 25, 2010 Pennsylvania
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    Lol. Just an FYI. Some reps manage hundreds of stores in several different states.
  26. frazbri

    frazbri Crusader (740) Oct 29, 2003 Ohio

    ...except that's illegal in many states. (state minimum beer pricing)
  27. tx_beer_man

    tx_beer_man Initiate (178) Jan 22, 2013 Texas
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    I got a Stone Lukcy yesterday at a Spec's...Best Buy date was 1/31/13. They gave it to me for $3. Going to enjoy tonight!
  28. mdomask

    mdomask Aspirant (274) May 27, 2012 Illinois
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    When I worked grocery, our outside reps made sure product was fresh and rotated. That went for everything from chips to soda to beer. Their products' reputations were on the line.
  29. SaCkErZ9

    SaCkErZ9 Poo-Bah (2,207) Feb 27, 2005 South Carolina
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    Go to just about any Total Wine and take your pick on outdated beer. Just saw a Clownshoes Eaglefist bottled in 8/11. This is normal for them.
  30. BrewMaven

    BrewMaven Disciple (385) Apr 5, 2005 New York

    I've seen beers from 2010 at one of my local beverage centers.
  31. nc41

    nc41 Poo-Bah (1,519) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    If it's Abyss your good to go, if not time to find a new bottle shop if your a hop fan and they don't date the bottles.
  32. cwreay90

    cwreay90 Aspirant (207) Nov 19, 2012 Texas

    I guess just go for the things that age well (just to be safe) lol
  33. jammalamma

    jammalamma Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2009 New Hampshire

    Not illegal but unethical-
    Shops can send beer back (most of the time) if they stay upon their supply and do it before the "expiration" date expires. A lot of places that get stuck because they just dont keep on top of their inventory.
  34. jmgrub

    jmgrub Initiate (0) Nov 20, 2010 California

    Illegal as in criminal? Definitely not. Can I imagine a situation where someone could think up a ridiculous civil suit? Yes. Would it succeed? Probably not.
  35. jzeilinger

    jzeilinger Poo-Bah (5,406) Dec 4, 2004 Pennsylvania
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    The retailer can sell whatever they want and it's up to the consumer to spin the beer roulette wheel but when there's a blatant "Best By" date, it's pretty black and white. Dust doesn't bother me because it can accumulate pretty quickly, but, in these shops if you know what you are looking for, you can find some gems that have already been aged for you.
  36. PhoenixShredds

    PhoenixShredds Initiate (0) Jan 31, 2013 California

    Last year I had decided to try Black Butte Porter. I was excited due to the reputation. What I failed to do was check the date... and by God, that drink tasted like if you re-burnt something burnt and mixed it with thin motor oil and then re-burnt it all over again. Overwhelmingly charred. But after a recent retry I now love the beer. So, yes, apparently places think selling old beer is just fine. They don't care about quality, only their bottom line.
  37. marquis

    marquis Crusader (758) Nov 20, 2005 United Kingdom (England)

    Every bottle is equipped with a switching mechanism.It remains inert until the "use by" date and at midnight immediately makes the beer undrinkable and a health hazard.
    Of course , the date on the label is pure guesswork by the brewer who has to balance all manner of variables such as storage conditions and supermarket requirements.
    The date is only advisory but as I've suggested how good the beer is depends on where it's been and how it was kept.
  38. BuckeyeOne

    BuckeyeOne Zealot (524) Mar 9, 2008 Washington

    And to be clear, I don't think I've ever seen a "sell by" date on a beer. I've seen bottling dates and "best by" dates, but never a "sell by" date. Could be wrong, though. :astonished:
  39. cavedave

    cavedave Poo-Bah (2,410) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Save this store for buying your Gueuzes and BSDA's. We have a store around here that has lots of shelf aged goodness for sale.
  40. Darwin553

    Darwin553 Initiate (68) Jan 5, 2009 Australia

    It is acceptable but it is poor practice - if they do have bottles that are past their use by, they should at least discount them and warn them on the label that they are past their used by date.
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