Is Sierra Nevada reformulating Tropical Torpedo?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by ben4unc, Nov 6, 2019.

  1. ben4unc

    ben4unc Initiate (176) Feb 28, 2013 North Carolina

    When does the new Tropical Torpedo come out? Happened to notice the new branding of Tropical Torpedo on the SN website.
    Original formula was 6.7% and 55 IBU's and this is 6.0% with 30IBU's.

    https://sierranevada.com/beer/tropical-torpedo/
     
  2. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Poo-Bah (10,812) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    I'm all for that. Just .7% abv might not make a difference at lower abvs, but above 6% that's my personal cut-off. I can drink a lot of beer at 5% or less, but when you get up towards 7% it's easy to drink a little too much.

    I was just thinking the same thing about Goose Island's "Next Coast IPA" at 7% which is a juicy IPA that really tastes like an APA.

    The drop in IBUs will certainly make it more "crushable" as well.
     
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  3. alert

    alert Initiate (28) Aug 20, 2019 Georgia

    I have always held opposite logic. I would rather drink a few 8%+ beers than crush a bunch of 5-6% cans. I guess it boils down to if you want to drink beer all day long or not
     
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  4. bsp77

    bsp77 Poo-Bah (1,970) Apr 27, 2008 Minnesota

    I don't hold to either logic. My logic is "Do I like it?"
     
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  5. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Poo-Bah (1,815) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona
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    I have yet to have the original :stuck_out_tongue:
     
  6. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Poo-Bah (10,812) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    Very good point here. I agree, I would rather drink a couple of good beers over a larger volume of beer. There are two things I should then add to what I've said.

    First and foremost, even at 7% I don't find the Tropical Torpedo to be one of those beers that's satisfying enough that even with another beer is enough to complete my evening. It's just not that kind of beer. A Gales Prize Old Ale and a Chimay Grande Reserve - yes!

    Secondly, I was thinking more of nights at the pub with the lads or an outdoor event, or even a fairly long dinner party. It's in those cases where I'll definitely have 4 or 5 beers, and maybe more, that alcohol content comes into play. In those instances, even though I like the Tropical Torpedo I'd reach for a Founders All Day instead.
     
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  7. nc41

    nc41 Poo-Bah (1,972) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Funny we’re only a few hours away from Mills River but some beers are just never fresh. This has been one of those beers.
     
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  8. rgordon

    rgordon Savant (983) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina

    Several 6.5%-8.0% beers consumed casually in the early evening do change the day, even Friday. As much as I love Sierra Nevada, I've never tried this beer. But I do think dialing back on IBUs and ABV could make for a larger arena for likely consumers.
     
  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,185) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    You will find the same situation when you come back home to visit. Lot's of non-fresh Sierra Nevada beers at my local beer retailers too.

    Cheers!
     
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  10. nc41

    nc41 Poo-Bah (1,972) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Hard to understand why, especially here. The fact that Gordons cannot be found anywhere in cans is a mystery too. I’ve never seen it on tap in Asheville where places like Barleys is fairly wide open.
     
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  11. reowin

    reowin Initiate (43) Nov 24, 2017 Tennessee
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    i never had the orginal tropical torpedo and i still havent had the sidecar orange one
     
  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,185) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Needless to say but you now have lost your chance to try that beer.

    Let's hope that Sierra Nevada does not decide to reformulate Sierra Nevada Pale Ale as a business strategy to reverse declining sales of that beer.

    Cheers!
     
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  13. MNAle

    MNAle Poo-Bah (1,605) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota
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    Maybe it is simply so they can sell it in grocery stores in Utah! :wink:
     
  14. ESHBG

    ESHBG Aspirant (239) Jul 30, 2011 Pennsylvania

  15. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Defender (605) Mar 28, 2009 California

    That would be a crime! There are some beers you can’t change. I do like that SN has tried to put out different pales and ipas trying to align with the new market, but keeping their core beers the same.
     
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  16. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,185) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I am with you here. Hopefully SNPA will stay the same.

    But there have been a notable amount of changes at Sierra Nevada in the last year or so (e.g., the Tropical Torpedo recipe change we are discussing in this thread, dropping some brands (Nooner for example), the introduction of a 'Mexican' lager to their lineup, etc.) so...

    Cheers!
     
  17. errantnight

    errantnight Meyvn (1,213) Jul 7, 2005 District of Columbia
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    Is there anything you love more than you love drawing false aspersions?
     
  18. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,185) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I love beer!

    Edit: As you can read below is has happened before.
     
  19. jesskidden

    jesskidden Poo-Bah (1,868) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    It's happened before (contrary to even what SN admits to these days, IIRC).

    [​IMG]
     
  20. Crusader

    Crusader Aspirant (289) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden

    Back when they were still distinguishing between bittering and finishing hops they listed perle and magnum hops as well for the Pale Ale. I would imagine it's quite common for breweries to switch their bittering hop over time as new varietals become popular, like going from using Cluster to using a modern German bittering hop like Magnum instead. The Tettnanger I have to imagine was a late boil hop though, I wonder what difference it made if any for the flavor. I wonder if Ken Grossman thought of Cascade as an American hop back then or if he felt it to be a replacement for European hops, like Cascade was being sold to brewers in the early 70s at least.
     
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  21. ESHBG

    ESHBG Aspirant (239) Jul 30, 2011 Pennsylvania

    Isn't the draft version of SNPA different than the bottled version still to this day, more maltier and/or different malts? I think that the ABV may even be different?
     
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  22. nc41

    nc41 Poo-Bah (1,972) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Might have been a better mover if it wasn’t 6 moths old everywhere.
     
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  23. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,185) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Needless to say but you have a valid point here.

    To the best of my knowledge I have only had this beer once and it was a draft purchase. I discussed it in a past thread (2017):

    "I have only had Tropical Torpedo once (a draft pint). I enjoyed drinking that one beer but I personally could not perceive any topical fruit flavors in that beer. If I was the type of beer drinker that expects 100% compliance to label descriptions I would never buy this beer again."

    I did try to purchase a 6-pack to see if maybe this beer tasted differently in bottles but I picked up that 6-pack, looked at the bottling date, and out that 6-pack back down.

    Cheers!
     
  24. nc41

    nc41 Poo-Bah (1,972) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    A new reformulated version will only be successful if it’s a high turn beer, hell its probably brewed in Mills River. Even Two Hearted I can usually get a month or so old, sometimes less. Usually why I buy Pernicious its always about two weeks old.
     
  25. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,185) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Yup, the ABV is different between formats:
    • Draft: 5% ABV
    • Packaged: 5.6% ABV
    And the packaged product is bottle/can conditioned.
    Cheers!
     
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  26. zid

    zid Meyvn (1,346) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    From a different thread recently:

     
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  27. nc41

    nc41 Poo-Bah (1,972) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    The original beer was good, it didn’t need to be fixed imo. Rebranding only works if retailers order it and customers buy it. Imo it’s a ridiculous exercise given I’m in NC and it’s unacceptable.
     
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  28. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,185) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Do you think they should put a "new and improved" sticker on this new version's packaging?

    Cheers!
     
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  29. nc41

    nc41 Poo-Bah (1,972) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Lol, well no, because the first offering wasn’t broken. Smacks a bit of camouflage, but it looks like a significant change.
     
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  30. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,185) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    It is indeed marketing.

    As the old joke goes: How do you know when a marketing person is lying to you?

    Cheers!
     
  31. zid

    zid Meyvn (1,346) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    I don’t understand what you mean by this. If they are not explicitly stating that there was a recipe change, then why would you characterize this as marketing and use a quote about lying? Having the “sticker” you mentioned on a product that wasn’t actually different would be dishonest marketing. Isn’t this the opposite? I assume @ben4unc did a little stat-comparison detective work to arrive at this info.
     
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  32. IPAExpert69

    IPAExpert69 Aspirant (213) Aug 2, 2017 Pennsylvania
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    Man I loved Tropical Torpedo, but then again a little innovation never hurts! I'll do something rare on this site, taste the beer for judgement :grin: