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ISO: Trade Value of Pliny the Younger (growler)?

Discussion in 'Beer Trading Talk' started by SocraticW, Jan 9, 2013.

  1. SocraticW

    SocraticW Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2012 California

    I have a friend that owns a beer bar. He told me that I could fill a growler (small 375ml) of RR Pliny the Younger when released next month. I have no idea what the trade value on this would be. Any help?
  2. RochesterAaron

    RochesterAaron Initiate (68) May 24, 2007 New York

    cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.
  3. Bad_Trader

    Bad_Trader Initiate (0) Nov 8, 2012 Namibia

    Probably something pretty good, and limited/brewery only, like a $15-$20 brewery only bottle of a sub-3000 bottle count release.

    It'll also probably get you included in dubious "Shitty-trader" circles like the ones I frequent, for obtaining a beer strictly to auction it off.

    If you have a regular trading partner on the east coast, south, etc. I would suggest sending it as a nice surprise.
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  4. ehammond1

    ehammond1 Initiate (0) Jul 4, 2008

    Can confirm it will be filled using the Socratic Method.
  5. huskermike12

    huskermike12 Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2011 Vermont

    Am I watching the movie Groundhog Day? I swear I have seen this question somewhere before.
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  6. Levitation

    Levitation Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2009 California

    trade value will be pretty high. well pedigreed beer, tastes great. it would be nice to send it as an extra, but half the people telling you that would probably do the same thing if they were the sole owner (or nearly sole owner) of similarly rare beers.

    by the way, you're not alone; several growlers floated around san diego last year, and i am sure that that's what this guy was getting at (even though he claimed he was "just mistaken"). know the right people, and you'll get a growler. but you want one again next year? keep your trap shut about it.
  7. biglobo8971

    biglobo8971 Devotee (475) May 6, 2010 Minnesota
    Beer Trader

    FREAKIN A!!!!! DRINK THE FREAKIN BEER!!!! OR.... do some research, find someone who has the beer you want, offer them your Younger, I bet you wont hear no. BUT DRINK THE FREAKIN BEER!!!!
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  8. sandiego67

    sandiego67 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2008 California

    I plan on dumping a few glasses down the front of my shirt and wringing the shirt out out into a full growler when I get home.
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  9. biglobo8971

    biglobo8971 Devotee (475) May 6, 2010 Minnesota
    Beer Trader

    I plan on shipping a hundo box of Surly to the guy who got me a growler last year, then call the guy that shared one with me, then call 2 more people whom I drink with quite often, then enjoying that bitch. Either that, or I'm getting a shit ton of HOTD.
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  10. kscaldef

    kscaldef Initiate (0) Jun 11, 2010 Oregon
    Beer Trader

    And close to zero if you were a relative unknown with no trade references listed?
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  11. Jparkanzky

    Jparkanzky Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2011 Ohio

    Doh.... Not suitable for the non-streaking public.
  12. Levitation

    Levitation Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2009 California

    lol. as a further detail to my narrative about locals dropping trading partners, i was told of the following exchange:

    local buddy: "hey can you get me x local, rare beer?"
    his east coast, south, etc. trading partner: "no sorry, i don't have any bottles of it."
    local buddy: "all right, no problem."

    ::his east coast, south, etc. trading partner posts later: "ft: x local, rare beer"::

    i've stopped encouraging people to be generous with their shit. i swear it doesn't work out. op, if you have a trading partner who has hooked you up that you owe, then by all means send him younger... you'd be a dick not to.

    but if you send it out hoping you'll be repaid in kind, don't.
  13. Johnnyramirez

    Johnnyramirez Initiate (0) Nov 17, 2012 California

    That sucks for your local buddy and would probably piss me off a bit. In all honesty though, if the generosity is there hoping you'd be repaid in kind, then it's for the wrong reasons. Beer karma will take care of itself. If I sent a growler of younger to a reg partner would I expect him to send me back something ultra rare? Nah. But beer karma will hook me up at some point in time. Being generous with hopes of it being repaid is completely going about it the wrong way.
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  14. SpeedwayJim

    SpeedwayJim Poo-Bah (2,130) Jun 19, 2009 New York
    Beer Trader

    In my experience, the people who are generous never need to be told they should be and the one's that aren't, no amount of encouragement will cause them to act differently. So I guess I agree, there's no real point in encouraging someone to "send it as an extra".
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  15. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Savant (945) Mar 17, 2009 Massachusetts
    Beer Trader

    Pliny sux
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  16. Levitation

    Levitation Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2009 California

    what's the difference between the certainty of "beer karma will hook me up" and expecting generosity to be repaid?

    i don't believe in karma, beer or otherwise. the idea that the universe plays a zero-sum game with sins and boons is fundamentally ridiculous to me. while the community can be quite generous, you can't really undo, say, a bad trader who makes off with beer. you can dilute it, as people will frequently send the victims hookups, but it doesn't exactly go away: someone is still out beer. so we already know it's not zero-sum.

    anyway, i don't believe most people are all that zen about expecting to be repaid. i just happen to voice it, but anyone saying otherwise is probably being a little dishonest with themselves. look at the angst in the "are extras mandatory?" thread, or over the brendanrandomnumbers guy taking advantage of bifs (which are karma/trust games). most people have significant expectations when they send out a nice bottle or are otherwise generous.

    i felt like i learned this lesson early on, and was honest enough with myself to know that i'd be unhappy with it in the future. now, when my buddies start expressing some of the same ideas, i'm not big enough not to say, "i told you so..."

    you have no idea.
  17. Bad_Trader

    Bad_Trader Initiate (0) Nov 8, 2012 Namibia

    Thanks for bringing some levity to the situation.
  18. SocraticW

    SocraticW Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2012 California

    Thanks for the info. I honestly was more curious than anything. I will likely send it to some good beer friends who wouldn't normally have the chance to try PTY. I am very new to BA FYI. So no trading references to speak of on BA. Hopfully that will change in the near future :)
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  19. Johnnyramirez

    Johnnyramirez Initiate (0) Nov 17, 2012 California

    When I say beer karma I mean if I happen to stumble upon something at a shop I wasn't expecting to get, something along those lines. I understand everything you're saying, and maybe it's because I'm a noob and haven't been burned yet, but I am being completely honest when I say I wouldn't expect anything amazing in return if I send something amazing. Now, if I get a cellar full of hard to find whales and I get burned will my outlook change, that may very well be the case. But I can genuinely say as a person I enjoy being generous.

    As for the brendanrandomnumbers BIF situation, I think it was more of a repeat offender thing that ticked people off. Again, I understand everything you're saying, but I truly think that sending generous extras to an established partner is better than auctioning it for whales. IMO.

    Talk to me if and when I get burned and I may have a change of heart
  20. cavedave

    cavedave Poo-Bah (2,066) Mar 12, 2009 New York
    Beer Trader

    I don't expect anything, and I replied in the Brendan thread not because I was hurt personally but because BIF's should be about sharing not profiting, and that expectation is not selfishness it is justice-mindedness.

    I replied in the extras thread, not because I feel entitled to extras, but because they are de rigeur, and anyone who doesn't send them without telling their trading partner first is looking to win the trade. Not getting extras in a trade means only one thing to me, that person isn't someone I want to trade with in future.

    Regarding Beer Karma, I have found it works. Consistently the more beer I share, the more I get and have shared with me. I just brought 17 bottles to a stout tasting. Guaranteed I will have more than 17 bottles come my way in near future. Perhaps your problem is with the name Karma? Sounds more to me like you are just a cynic, and cynics are the most self actualizing of all folks in my experience. For those convinced that nothing that goes around comes around, nothing invariably does.
  21. Levitation

    Levitation Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2009 California

    but bif's are a closed system - everyone gets something back. wouldn't sharing be better exemplified by lif's?

    that's what i said: there is an expectation of extras. you were generous, so you expect them to be generous. whether the motivation is because it is "proper," "customary," "justice-minded," etc. doesn't matter; the expectation is there.

    sounds like an expectation.

    yes, i am a cynic. i consider it a more realistic worldview.
  22. cavedave

    cavedave Poo-Bah (2,066) Mar 12, 2009 New York
    Beer Trader

    Well I won't argue the semantics of your arguments, as that is their sum total, but the idea that a cynic finds his views to be confirmed in the real world surprises me not at all.
  23. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    Levitation just needs a hug.

    A realist is a realistic world view.
  24. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    Why is that?
  25. Levitation

    Levitation Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2009 California

    because some people react badly to my posts, so i stay anonymous.

    there's only one person who has ever seen me log in as levitation... try asking that woman to do it sometime.
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  26. pschul4

    pschul4 Zealot (562) Jan 7, 2011 Illinois
    Beer Trader

    You missed a perfect chance to quote Archer. hope you can live with yourself :p

    This depends on what the end goal is. If the end goal is tangible (beer) then I agree with you. If the end goal is intangible (happiness) then I completely disagree with you, at least in this example. Sure the person that sent the victim of the bad trader some "I'm sorry that happened to you" beers then that person is out those beers, but sender gets a much better feeling inside than they would have otherwise. I like to think, in terms of happiness, this whole beer world we live in is obscenely plus-sum.
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  27. Levitation

    Levitation Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2009 California

    from what i've read in the trading forum, i'm not sure...
  28. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    I doubt you care! Are you in the local SD "scene" too? Like we can't walez bro at a tasting room sometime?
  29. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    Troll account? You mean to tell me his real name isn't Levi Bruh?
  30. coreyfmcdonald

    coreyfmcdonald Savant (953) Nov 13, 2008 Georgia
    Beer Trader

    I will take my generally optimistic nature in addition to getting burned a few times over a cynical nature any day.
  31. pschul4

    pschul4 Zealot (562) Jan 7, 2011 Illinois
    Beer Trader

    That's where I've encountered the most happiness. Countless amazing relationships I never would have had if I hadn't ventured into the trading ring. Don't let a couple bad apples ruin your whole pie
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  32. StarRaptor

    StarRaptor Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2010 California

    Levi Bruh directly translates to Whales Bro in a lost Indian tongue - think about it
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  33. crushedvol

    crushedvol Initiate (0) Jan 29, 2008 Illinois

  34. Levitation

    Levitation Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2009 California

    it doesn't matter who i am... what matters is my plan. no one cared who i was until i put on the mask.
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