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Site IT Forward: To Like or not to Like, that is the question.

Discussion in 'Support & Suggestions' started by Todd, Apr 5, 2013.


Should Likes return to IT Forward?

Poll closed Apr 12, 2013.
  1. No

    37 vote(s)
  2. Yes; rules apply

    245 vote(s)
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  1. Todd

    Todd Founder (5,534) Aug 23, 1996 California
    Staff Subscriber Beer Trader

    We disabled/purged Likes in both the ISO:FT (ages ago) and IT Forward (this week) forms as we felt they weren't needed given the nature of the posts, and after reviewing the IT Forward forum we also discovered the many of the Likes were for memes, non-beer pics, videos or other nonsense posts; all of which are against forum rules. Basically, the Like system was being heavily abused and encouraged people to continually break the rules.

    As with all changes, some people were not pleased with this. We understand, but we hope you understand where we're coming from too.

    Anyway, perhaps we can meet in the middle.

    Should we allow Likes again? We'd consider it, but only if those participating in the IT Forward forum abide by the site rules like everyone else.

    No need for a discussion. Simple poll. Yes or no. We'll base our decision on the outcome in one week.

    In the meantime, please follow the rules; this too will influence our decision.

    DBijnagte and duceswild like this.
  2. ehammond1

    ehammond1 Initiate (0) Jul 4, 2008

    Thanks for the opportunity at an open dialoge and a chance at an unintimidating conversation regarding the topic.
  3. claaark13

    claaark13 Zealot (504) Nov 29, 2007 Indiana
    Beer Trader

    Well, I vote "Yes", as I just noticed I lost over 500 likes.

    Also, in the IT Forward forum, the threads are more of one large conversation among those involved in the group trade. I've never looked at that forum in the same way that I look at the FT/ISO forum. The IT Forward forum has been more of a fun place to trade with a lot of people instead of the serious business that takes place in the FT/ISO, and I think that's how those involved like it to be.
  4. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    Todd I don't know what you expected with this poll, as anyone could tell you it is going to be a landslide victory for "Yes".
  5. mcaulifww

    mcaulifww Initiate (0) Aug 18, 2011 Virginia

    I've always enjoyed people responding with a subtle "like" to a post. it's a nice way to show you support what someone is saying or that you just "like" what they had to say. It's a great way to be interactive
  6. stupac2

    stupac2 Zealot (518) Feb 22, 2011 California
    Beer Trader

    Yeah, the IT Forward forum is all about generosity, so likes seem pretty valuable there. Some people were breaking the rules, but it's not clear to me that eliminating likes has really changed that very much. I voted for bringing them back, and think that's the best course.
  7. quirkzoo

    quirkzoo Initiate (0) Jul 7, 2011 Colorado

    Agreed, there was a post up briefly last night that pointed directly to this. The IT Forward forum is all about generosity, have you seen the YMBBIF, there are some crazy boxes being sent there. Those hauls definitely deserve the likes.
  8. MikeTen

    MikeTen Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2009 California

    I always liked seeing the memes and stuff in the BIF forum; it reminded me how much fun people have with trading and how generous they can be. It also seems like a lot of people there are good friends despite never having met each other in real life. The ISO/FT forum is bleak and depressing by comparison.

    I realize you guys are against 'memes,' but short of insulting ones, I hope you'll reconsider your stance (or at least permit it again in BIF). They are part of internet culture and don't detract from the site. There's nothing more I enjoy than getting a good buzz on and giving an internet toast / getting laughs from my internet friends. BIF was consistently the friendliest place on the site, and I've never done a BIF.
  9. FunkyMacGroovin

    FunkyMacGroovin Initiate (0) Sep 22, 2009 California

    If you felt that removing likes from the IT Forward forum was a good idea, it's pretty obvious you have no idea how that forum works.
  10. leedorham

    leedorham Crusader (701) Apr 27, 2006 Washington

    It seems the idea that likes should be added back is spreading in the minds of forum users. Therefore it is now, by definition, an internet meme.
    Kuemmelbrau, quirkzoo, uwotm8 and 6 others like this.
  11. BarrytheBear

    BarrytheBear Meyvn (1,206) Dec 10, 2007 Wisconsin
    Beer Trader

    Agree with nearly everything above and hope this is reconsidered. No need for a few unruly kids to ruin things for the rest of the class.
    match1112, mcaulifww and ehammond1 like this.
  12. brees6221

    brees6221 Initiate (0) Aug 4, 2009 Western Sahara

    I think the displeasure stems from not understanding where you're coming from. I understand that likes weren't always being used as intended, but what was the harm? A lot of very generous BA's who hosted LIF's, destroyed porches with BIF boxes, etc. etc. lost likes as collateral.
  13. StarRaptor

    StarRaptor Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2010 California

    In my overblown opinion the discussions of beer should be fun and lighthearted. The world is serious enough and it's fun to "blow-off stem" over a couple of beers with great friends.

    Unfortunately a lot of the guys that have made talking about beer fun on BA have left in recent months mostly due to the crackdowns that have occurred (talking away profile posts, disabling likes, deleting posts without comments, over enforcement of the rules, etc).

    Honestly, I was pretty disappointed when likes in the It Forward section, most lighthearted section of BA, were disabled without a comment. One hour you could like something the next you couldn't. There is no other section that is a better representation of the generosity and sense of community than the It Forward section and the like button is a chief part of that.
  14. StarRaptor

    StarRaptor Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2010 California

    ^ Also this
    match1112 likes this.
  15. cosmicevan

    cosmicevan Poo-Bah (3,312) Dec 13, 2009 New York
    Beer Trader

    not sure how someone can abuse the like system. it is a link, you click it and your name appears in the like list...you can unlike if you changed your mind. the only way i can think of abuse is liking/unliking at a frantic pace...otherwise, ????

    i voted no for the simple reason that i participate in this forum and although it is nice to be liked...it clogs up the alerts. i'd be into likes if there was a way to turn off the alerts for them.
  16. cosmicevan

    cosmicevan Poo-Bah (3,312) Dec 13, 2009 New York
    Beer Trader

    not sure if intentional, but i appreciate the irony of breaking the rules in a discussion about the rules :grimacing:
  17. musicman7070

    musicman7070 Disciple (357) Aug 26, 2012 New Jersey
    Beer Trader

    I feel like such a noob but what is the IT Forward Forum?
  18. mcaulifww

    mcaulifww Initiate (0) Aug 18, 2011 Virginia

    you can change this in your alert preferances
    cosmicevan, jedwards, uwotm8 and 2 others like this.
  19. mcaulifww

    mcaulifww Initiate (0) Aug 18, 2011 Virginia

    no worries pal. The it forward forum was a sub-forum of the trading forum where broskis got together, gave beer away, traded mystery boxes, had a general great time foolin around with each other. I've made some great friends there
    uwotm8, match1112, ufmj and 2 others like this.
  20. brees6221

    brees6221 Initiate (0) Aug 4, 2009 Western Sahara

    Hover over your user name at the top of the page and select Alert Preferences. Uncheck the box where it says "Receive an alert when someone... Likes your message."

    Are you one of those 2012's I've been reading about?? :wink:
  21. mcaulifww

    mcaulifww Initiate (0) Aug 18, 2011 Virginia

    AWWW No he Didn't!!!!
  22. ant880

    ant880 Initiate (0) Nov 7, 2010 New York

    As others have said, the IT Forward section of the site is probably the most laid back, feel good area and being able to toss around some "likes" just seems natural. People are giving stuff away, others are trying to outdo the generosity of those that came before them by nailing BIF targets with 30lb boxes of goodness, there is good-natured trash talk in the sports-based BIF/LIFs...basically, this is the area that "likes" should be allowed above all others. I totally get the blocking of memes, jpegs, etc (I certainly have posted my fair share over the last few years), but after a certain point, it gets a little boring "liking" the same mundane posts about who enjoys Heady Topper or Pliney.

    Plus, the loss of about 250 "likes" has left me feeling very unliked today :slight_frown:
    Kuemmelbrau, adamdd, libbey and 8 others like this.
  23. cmmcdonn

    cmmcdonn Initiate (0) Jun 21, 2009 Virginia

    Sorry to hear that friend. Here ya go...
  24. stupac2

    stupac2 Zealot (518) Feb 22, 2011 California
    Beer Trader

    Rohkey, kemoarps, cosmicevan and 6 others like this.
  25. dvelcich

    dvelcich Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2008 Illinois

    I too would really appreciate knowing what the harms of "Likes," memes, and videos are. I understand you and a lot of users here are very computer savvy, but a lot of us aren't. Do they slow the site? Are they rough on the servers? Maybe if you explained, people would be more willing to follow the rules.
  26. Agold

    Agold Defender (641) Mar 13, 2010 Pennsylvania

    I voted for "yes; rules apply", but only because "yes; rules are for fools" wasn't an option.

    Seriously though.I don't understand why likes were taken away in either place, especially in the IF forums where the culture has always been more laid back than everywhere else.
    WillCarrera likes this.
  27. Beerandboards

    Beerandboards Devotee (462) Nov 6, 2012 New Mexico
    Beer Trader

    I seriously don't understand the policing of the IT forward forum. The spirit and content of that forum is BA at its finest. The rule is that "nonsense posts" aren't allowed, yet we have this little gem on the "latest" feed in the homepage:


    I'm really not trying to be a jerk, so please excuse me. I'm simply trying to say that the beer talk forum is chock full of nonsense and garbage, tons of which are "liked." It just seems that there are a lot of areas that could use moderating effort other than the IT forward forum.

    Another thing, look at the traffic in the IT forward forum, tons of the threads are 7,000-8,000+ views. That section generates tons of traffic, page views, etc. Plus it seems a lot of really great BAs make it a home base of sorts. It would seem to me that over policing that forum is counterproductive in a lot of respects.

    tl:dr - I voted yes. IT forward is great
  28. cosmicevan

    cosmicevan Poo-Bah (3,312) Dec 13, 2009 New York
    Beer Trader

    i just don't like the alerts from the IT Forward forum though :wink:

    got all of 4 months on me and you are gonna play me dirty like that?

    i'd like this, but you'd never know.

    also, it talks about commenting on your profile...how do i do that? that sounds like it could be fun?
    yamar68 likes this.
  29. cfh64

    cfh64 Defender (602) Aug 16, 2005 Texas
    Supporter Beer Trader

    No disucussion here but appreciate you asking for our opinion. Lets hope everyone can follow the rules, myself included.
    Kuemmelbrau likes this.
  30. HopsintheSack

    HopsintheSack Devotee (447) Apr 17, 2012 California
    Beer Trader

    I might be in the minority, but I think you should remove comments from ISO:FT again. 99% of responses are trash or should be in a BM anyway. Then no need to discuss likes too.

  31. cavedave

    cavedave Poo-Bah (2,254) Mar 12, 2009 New York
    Beer Trader

    I think the idea of a like button on BA is one of the ideas that really improved things here. Limiting it in any way cannot, IMHO, help solve any other problem.
  32. Beerontwowheels

    Beerontwowheels Initiate (0) Nov 22, 2009 Maryland

    This poll is not in reference to the ISO:FT forum. IT Forward only.
  33. shuajw

    shuajw Aspirant (287) Aug 12, 2007 Georgia

    Agreed, anything that can make this place feel like more of a community should be embraced, not thwarted.
    dvelcich and Beerontwowheels like this.
  34. mattafett

    mattafett Initiate (0) Mar 9, 2009 Iowa

    I don't understand the fun-hating. This isn't North Korea. If people are using these forums differently than originally intended, make them subscription only. Create a simple process, and make users who want to trade meet the rules. Then they are in, and let the mods keep things civil. This way the free-for-all fun is not seen by other users who may be offended or whatever. Another forum I belong to uses this method, and it works well.

    Keep the likes, no lame rules.
    beerme411 and Kuemmelbrau like this.
  35. aasher

    aasher Poo-Bah (2,568) Jan 27, 2010 Indiana
    Beer Trader

    I'm definitely for likes and I'm especially for people NOT liking haul photos that dont' live up to the BIF.

    People need to get called out more often but apparently doing so in a passive agressive manner tends to be the trend around here :wink:
    DaveHack likes this.
  36. biglobo8971

    biglobo8971 Devotee (480) May 6, 2010 Minnesota
    Beer Trader

    I voted Yes because as a host of many a BIF, I view the Like button as a good ol fashioned pat on the back. A way of getting the "attaboy" with out someone having to type it out.
    YaKnowBrady and match1112 like this.
  37. Todd

    Todd Founder (5,534) Aug 23, 1996 California
    Staff Subscriber Beer Trader

    Thanks to everyone who voted and provided their feedback.

    We'll be re-enabling Likes in the IT Forward forum shortly. All we ask is that you post using the same rules that apply to the rest of the site; example: no memes, non-beer images/videos, etc.
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