Jackie O's (2018)

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  1. dscott421

    dscott421 Jun 13, 2013 Kentucky
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    Yikes. Traded infected bottles for new bottles, that are now listed as infected? That sucks. I'm holding out hope that they'll get to the point of refunds. I don't want to make the trip and have the same thing happen. I guess I'll wait until they get the new bottling line is up and running, but that'll probably be my last JO trip.
     
  2. CannedWaggoneer

    CannedWaggoneer May 1, 2017 Ohio

    I'm the only one being helpful here, it's just that most of you aren't yet ready to accept my help. I'd been saying long before these even happened that buying so much more than you can drink to the point where you end up cellaring it (intentionally or not) is a bad idea and so far that has turned out to be sound advice.

    I'm not affected by this debacle because I did exactly what I've been suggesting you lot do. I bought 1 or two of each and drank em right away. Live by the mantra of buyer beware.

    Jackie O's is under no obligation to "make it right" at all. Believe it or not but the subset of fans who only purchase the BA offerings and drive trade values up then bitch and raise hell about *having* to go back to Jackie O's aren't the people who keep the lights on there. They could just tell you guys to bugger off and keep selling Mystic Mama.

    So if you aren't satisfied with their response at least acknowledge the fact that they are even trying.
     
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  3. Sabtos

    Sabtos Dec 15, 2015 Ohio
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    Exhibit A: Advanced Stage Malignant Self-Righteousness
    FTFY
     
  4. RyanMcFly1985

    RyanMcFly1985 Oct 20, 2007 Ohio
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    Pretty trashy to make a comment about what someone can or cannot afford, regardless of whether or not you agree with them.
     
  5. CannedWaggoneer

    CannedWaggoneer May 1, 2017 Ohio

    Maybe I just buy many different beers rather than cases of one thing? It's shocking to think of such behavior though. But personal attacks have always been this guys bag.

    What I find amusing is that you guys who went down in anniversary weekend had no problem putting life on hold for 2 or 3 days to make the drive down. Surely using the excuse of "well it's just great to visit the cool folks and drink great taps". Fair enough.

    But now that it's not about trade values and quenching that hoarder's thirst none of you can even be bothered to take a single afternoon at your own convenience to pop down and hit Jackie O's.

    Oh, but you are an avid supporter.
     
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  6. oldmetalguy

    oldmetalguy Dec 25, 2015 Pennsylvania

    when I see you there at least once a month like I am, then you can use generalizations
     
  7. wolfatyourdoor

    wolfatyourdoor Jan 23, 2017 Ohio

    I don't know where you get the idea that sitting on a BA stout for 3-6 months is "cellaring" it. That's a completely reasonable time frame to be drinking it from your personal stash. God forbid people really enjoy a beer and want to drink more than 1-2.

    Gonna go out on a limb here and say Jackie O's isn't putting out their beer with the intended customer expectation being buyer beware....
     
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  8. CannedWaggoneer

    CannedWaggoneer May 1, 2017 Ohio

    How do you know how often I go ?
     
  9. Sabtos

    Sabtos Dec 15, 2015 Ohio
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    Rich @RyanMcFly1985 -- yet another valuable post by a guy that spends 99.9% of his time on the internet making snarky, degrading comments directly towards other individuals without ever providing one iota of value to a discussion. Why should I be surprised that you're defending a broken record who does exactly the same thing? Weak.

    Why? It's the only logical explanation for his behavior, as someone that follows this thread as closely as the rest of us. To simultaneously hold onto this burning disdain towards people that "cellar" their beers for a couple of months, while also not having enough Jackie O's Stouts and Barleywines on hand for this to ever affect him just screams covetous envy and resentment.

    I personally don't find stating the most apparent motive for his constant haranguing of Jackie O's consumers as trashy. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one. But if you choose to feel that way, the only thing I can offer is a bit of advice: it's time to toughen up buttercup.

    I'm not forcing him to come here and expose himself with his constant, repetitive berating of people that "cellar," while 100% of the rest of us completely disagree with his unwavering push to blame the consumer for not taking the appropriate steps to mitigate the introduction of undesired organisms to this packaged product.
     
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  10. RyanMcFly1985

    RyanMcFly1985 Oct 20, 2007 Ohio
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    All I know is that there is a reason that there are entire discussions about you on another site and how you're easily the most whiny, annoying BA user. Kudos to you.

    And yeah, it's still absolute trash to make a comment to anyone about what they can or cannot afford.
     
  11. CannedWaggoneer

    CannedWaggoneer May 1, 2017 Ohio

    I don't understand why you think I've been saying the consumer is responsible for the introduction of microbes. You are either severely misunderstanding me or attempting to strawman me. It's hard to tell from here since you are often guilty of both.
     
  12. Sabtos

    Sabtos Dec 15, 2015 Ohio
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    That's not what I said, at all. And you either know that, or, putting it more politically correct for the ultra-sensitive RyRy, need to read it again, as it's right there in black and white for you to re-read until your heart's content. But I'd rather you just left it at that because I already know your next response, since you've already said it 20x before.
    Oooo! You have a groupchat with the three BA users who've made it glaringly obvious how much they disagree with everyone else here on BA about just about everything? And in that groupchat you whine about people you call whiners? Sounds like a blast! I'm honored to be a part of your personal therapy session! I'd love to join....can I, oooo can I!?

    There's nothing to be ashamed of if one is on a tight craft beer budget--shit's expensive, and should not be the number one priority in anyone's life. If one is responsible enough to stick to a budget that only lets them snag one bottle per release, great! But that doesn't change the fact that his posts smell intensely of jealousy.

    In the meantime, there's an actual issue here at hand, of which I stated my opinion once, until someone decided to arrogantly shuffle in and repeat the same condescending line he's already stated almost verbatim 20x in the past. Let us see how that actual issue continues to develop, instead of nurse your bruised ego.
     
  13. RyanMcFly1985

    RyanMcFly1985 Oct 20, 2007 Ohio
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    FTFY.

    And you're free to join in. It's not tough to find.
     
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  14. CannedWaggoneer

    CannedWaggoneer May 1, 2017 Ohio

    The organisms don't enter the beer after it's been capped and packaged, so where did I infer that the consumers should be down in the brewery overseeing the sanitation procedures?

    You're losing it man, calm down. No one is here to call each other names and make baseless remarks on the finances of others that we can't possibly know anything about.
     
  15. Sabtos

    Sabtos Dec 15, 2015 Ohio
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    This is the point where the cycle starts again, and I say it is not the consumer's fault. And then you come back and say we should have known all along and never allowed our beer to sit for more than 60 days. Ad infinitum.

    There's nothing new left for you to say, we got it. But thanks anyway for your always priceless input!
     
  16. CannedWaggoneer

    CannedWaggoneer May 1, 2017 Ohio

    You need to look up the word introduction, professor.
     
  17. Gibspeed

    Gibspeed Feb 9, 2017 Ohio

    Just to break up the heavy conversation going on, I opened one of my oldest (and becoming one of my favorite) JO's beers last night, Noble Sorrel, and it was fantastic. That's all.
     
  18. PhilBallins

    PhilBallins Nov 29, 2016 Illinois

    And here I always though Illinois craft beer fans were obnoxious.
     
  19. PSU_Mike

    PSU_Mike Sep 6, 2013 Pennsylvania

    It's amazing how one cell can infect the whole organism.
     
  20. PhilBallins

    PhilBallins Nov 29, 2016 Illinois

    I feel like their are multiple paths of infection. We really should have washed our hands more.
     
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  21. BigSpeen3436

    BigSpeen3436 Oct 23, 2013 Ohio

    The infection issue has spread to this thread.

    Anyway, while this whole situation is a bummer, I have really enjoyed dozens of fantastic beers from Jackie O's over the past few years and will continue to do so. I'm sure they'll straighten things out and we'll be back to our regularly scheduled broadcast of beer nerds whining on a beer site about... BEER.
     
  22. tepie

    tepie Aug 26, 2015 Ohio

    I had to look up FTFY online, if you post this in a beer discussion thread you should just exit. I mean just get out.
     
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  23. sbh50

    sbh50 Feb 6, 2015 Ohio
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    Excited to try polycephaly 3. I havent tried it yet. I also cannot wait for the next Jackie O's uptown bottle release. How about everyone else? I hope I didn't go too far off topic.
     
  24. RyanMcFly1985

    RyanMcFly1985 Oct 20, 2007 Ohio
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    Sorry, pal. I’m not going anywhere.
     
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  25. miketd

    miketd Mar 2, 2006 Ohio

    I haven’t looked at this thread in a while. Nice to see the fighting extends beyond ‘New to Ohio’.

    I only had one infected bottle; I generally drink my stuff too fast for that shit to set in. Need to re supply soon.
     
  26. Gibspeed

    Gibspeed Feb 9, 2017 Ohio

    It's absolutely delicious. Hoping to get down there while it's still around.
     
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  27. Lazhal

    Lazhal Mar 13, 2011 Michigan
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    Is Jackie O's saying that 1 out of every 3 samples from an infected barrel comes back as a clean result? What gives with the test? That is an awfully bad test if you can't trust the results 1/3 of the time. @beace
     
  28. beace

    beace Jan 18, 2007 California

    Feel free to email me at brad@jackieos.com if you would like me to explain this in more detail. How you have interpreted the information is not correct. I may be to blame for how this was written. I will not explain our barrel testing process at length on this forum.
     
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  29. purephase

    purephase Feb 23, 2008 Connecticut
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    I don't read that passage that way at all. It seems to me those numbers are merely an example of the kind of output the lab gives in terms of a given barrel's being clean or infected not being an ambiguous output, thus 33/66 likelihood for example rather than anything close to 50-50.
     
  30. Quilentro

    Quilentro May 12, 2017 Illinois
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    Unrelated to current infection talk, but I just found a bunch of Jackie O stuff in Colorado. Why do they get it, and Chicago doesn’t?
     
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  31. neelonjm

    neelonjm Jul 13, 2015 Ohio

  32. Gibspeed

    Gibspeed Feb 9, 2017 Ohio

    I'm not a huge low-abv pale ale guy, but this was pretty good during the anny.
     
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  33. djtothemoney

    djtothemoney Nov 30, 2015 Ohio

    Ironically, my friend opened a Noble Sorrel last Friday, gushed everywhere, totally infected.

    I believe I had 100% Lizard at the Anniversary Party and it was really good.

    On the BA problems, I'm really upset now after buying a ton of bottles at the Anniversary Party. I find it really surprising that they continued to sell them, when they were likely figuring out all of the details on the other recall and surprise surprise here we are with more on the list.

    I make the trek to Athens around twice a year, and I likely won't be able to go exchange these before the time runs out. I'll drink them and hope I strike gold. Either way, I'm voting with my wallet until this gets fixed, otherwise it's going to be the same story over and over again.
     
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  34. Sabtos

    Sabtos Dec 15, 2015 Ohio
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    I love how they went all in brewing with lupulin powder, while simultaneously there were people on here praising the sanctity of Jackie O's and how they would never make a turbid, opaque, turkey-stock of a hoppy brew that was "dank-" or "juicy-" forward.

    Now that they have, will you switch sides? Are they suddenly the enemy aligned with Hoof, Masthead, et al? What is the world coming to?!

    Anyway, I thought it was pretty tasty too. I will probably enjoy it even more on a day that I don't have 100 other beers to sift through.
     
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  35. masterofsparks

    masterofsparks Nov 15, 2009 Ohio
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    I wasn’t a part of the debate, but based on my sampling, I’d say it’s too early to call this Jackie O’s getting into the New England IPA game. Other than their use of the descriptor “juicy” in that post, I didn’t find that this had much in common with those beers. I found it to be fairly dry with a nice amount of bitterness, both of which seem to be anathema to big NEIPA fans.
     
  36. Sabtos

    Sabtos Dec 15, 2015 Ohio
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    Hmm...most NE IPAs I've had are quite dry in the finish. Often, very dry. Chalky even, albeit the middle can be quite pillowy from the best producers. Also, I got all kinds of dankness and juiciness out of it. And when I had it, it was 100% opaque. A few of the current Untappd photos seem to show that also. Jackie O's description doesn't determine what sub-style it seems to fit in for me, aesthetically.
     
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  37. CannedWaggoneer

    CannedWaggoneer May 1, 2017 Ohio

    And you call me a troll, you're just out trolling for another meltdown it seems.

    This is hardly jumping on the NEIPA wagon, although that marketing blurb is indeed super obnoxious. But using lupulin powder doesn't mean it's a NEIPA. Their Pollen used it and it was bitter as fuck, same goes for Pack Mentality.

    Even still, do haze bros even drink pale ales like this anyway? At least one post above by a stereotypical haze bro seems to suggest they don't. It's just a retarded marketing grab. The Haus malts thing is further evidence, I bet they got free malt to make this beer.

    Also it's just a pub brewer making some...stuff...
     
  38. Swettenham_Shire

    Swettenham_Shire Mar 11, 2014 Ohio

    Reach out to the brewery, they will at least give you a gift card (no expiration) for the bottles purchased - no trade-in required.
     
  39. tepie

    tepie Aug 26, 2015 Ohio

  40. miketd

    miketd Mar 2, 2006 Ohio

    They did one a couple years ago, even if it wasn’t ‘official’. Forget the name.

    Personally I don't give a shit if it’s hazy, turbid, whatever; my problem with a lot of those beers is they lack flavor.
     
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