News John Hall steps down as president of Goose Island, Anheuser-Busch Craft Advisory Board established

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    HANGOVER Initiate (0) Nov 23, 2012

    I don't disagree, but I don't think they would reduce quality across the board and to the best of my knowledge AB doesn't own any other brands like Goose Island. In my opinion many of the other brands they have acquired over the years were sub-par to begin with. I think they will leave their Belgian and Stouts alone if for no other reason than a posative image, then mass produce a more marketable session beer for profit. Who knows maybe we will see 312 commercials during the super bowl.
  2. foobula

    foobula Initiate (0) Dec 14, 2009 Illinois

    If GI moves BCS production out of Chicago as someone here rumored, even partially, that would be a big shift and an opportunity to alter the product, intentionally or not. It allegedly took many trials to get off-site 312 up to snuff, and it's arguably a worse beer now since production was moved.

    I realize there's a whole lot of speculation in this post. Just saying a scenario where BCS gets worse seems pretty realistic, while one where it gets better seems quite remote.

    HANGOVER Initiate (0) Nov 23, 2012

    I don't follow the rumor mill, but I agree moving production could change the beer unintentionally, even changing the water used can effect the beer. All I am saying is this change might not be 100% negative and we all may be surprised by the end result. Craft brewers even move production locations, are out to make money, and produce terrible beer from time to time. That doesn't mean I am lighting up my torch and going on a witch hunt, I'm willing to give them a chance. Who knows next year AB-InBev might give all of their profits to starving babies in Africa and produce a beer so good it replaces Viagra.
  4. copybingo

    copybingo Initiate (0) Aug 26, 2011 Pennsylvania

    John Hall was much better as a member of Hall & Oates, anyway.
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  5. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (1,885) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois

    My last bottle of 312 was brewed and bottled in Chicago and didn't taste any better or worse than others I've had over the years.

    On the other hand, my last bottle of Mild Winter was brewed and bottled in New York and actually tasted very good.
  6. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2004 Kentucky

  7. Uwftke26

    Uwftke26 Initiate (0) Dec 18, 2008 North Carolina

    This is the point. Get the most respected brand possible, and use it as a club in the market to attack real craft.
  8. Levitation

    Levitation Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2009 California

    yeah, inbev is the only company in the beer world that uses branding as a business tool. :rolling_eyes:
  9. YogiBeer

    YogiBeer Initiate (0) May 10, 2012 Illinois

    I dont think that was the point of what they were saying...
  10. Levitation

    Levitation Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2009 California

    they're saying that inbev sees branding as being more important than the product... right?

    look at some of the trademark suits between craft brewers over the past couple of years - it is not just restricted to inbev. branding can be just as important as the product itself (and until i see some gi products slip in quality, i think pretending the product is secondary is chicken-little squawking).
  11. YogiBeer

    YogiBeer Initiate (0) May 10, 2012 Illinois

    There isn't anything wrong with branding, as selling beer is the point of the business... but when the label becomes more important than the product, that's a problem. Apparently, they have a track record of cutting corners and making beer "worse," so it's natural for people to be weary and voice their concerns in a thread dedicated to the issue on a beer discussion forum.
  12. Levitation

    Levitation Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2009 California

    as i said in the other thread, this is a product marketed to consumers more discerning than your average beck's drinker. i'll believe it when i see it. inbev is, if nothing else, run by some extremely savvy businessmen.
  13. YogiBeer

    YogiBeer Initiate (0) May 10, 2012 Illinois

    Okay, we're aware that you're placing faith in Inbev. Thanks. Noted. Written Down. Levitation + Inbev = <3.
  14. PlayaPlaya

    PlayaPlaya Aspirant (202) Sep 19, 2012 Illinois

    I don't think you have to support AB-In Bev in order to continue to support GI.

    Am I supporting Obama when I vote for a Democratic mayor in my home-town???? Obama can control and has precedent over my home-town mayor, they're all part of the same organization(gov.)....But, no, just because you support somebody lower down the line, does not mean you support the higher ups

    Like others said, every other type of brew can be pretty similarly brewed by a number of different brewers; NOBODY can even come close to the bourbon stout GI puts out....Every other bourbon stout just tastes like coors light in comparison...IPA's; Lagers; Pilsners; Porters etc....Even the best ones arent very far off from the next best ones; BCBS however, theres just no comparison; tastes like straight bourbon compared to other bourbon stouts.

    O yea...IMO.

    Don't flame me, BRO!!!! :grinning: :grinning:

    Speaking of BCBS; sipping one at room temp now :grinning:

    HANGOVER Initiate (0) Nov 23, 2012

    yes InBev changed the Hoegaarden recipe after they aquired the brewery in 2005, I never had a Hoegaarden beer prior to the change so I cannot attest to the quality difference. The Brewery is however still located in Hoegaarden, they were not shut down like some people think Goose Islands will be. This still doesn't make me believe that they are similar Breweries, I have been to Belgium twice and neither trip led me to believe Hoegaarden was unique, Goose Island on the other hand produces beers that differ tremendously from others in their region in both style and quality.
  16. jesskidden

    jesskidden Meyvn (1,246) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey

    Stella Artois bought into Hoegaarden in the mid-'80's and (after the merger that created Interbrew) Interbrew bought out Celis completely in 1990.
  17. PlayaPlaya

    PlayaPlaya Aspirant (202) Sep 19, 2012 Illinois

    As Henry Louis Mencken once said....

    No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public.

    Was just as true in his time as it is now and will forever be.
  18. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (1,885) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois

    Oops. :wink:
  19. jesskidden

    jesskidden Meyvn (1,246) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey

    I believe that's what Pierre said, as well!

    [Only to then have to say it again a few years later, when Miller first bought into Celis, and then he sold out to them completely...deja vu.]
  20. Belial

    Belial Initiate (138) Aug 9, 2005 Illinois

    this reminds me of when ray zalinsky bought callahan auto for their awesome brake pads but they just wanted to close their factory and produce the pads in their own facility and slap a callahan logo on the box

    actually im not worried about the quality of goose at all but i'll probably purchase less.
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    HANGOVER Initiate (0) Nov 23, 2012

    Your right they need Tommy boy to save the company.
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  22. Levitation

    Levitation Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2009 California

  23. YogiBeer

    YogiBeer Initiate (0) May 10, 2012 Illinois

    Humor + Leviation = whoosh.
  24. Levitation

    Levitation Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2009 California

    wouldn't be the first time
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  25. JediMatt

    JediMatt Initiate (80) Jun 18, 2010 Iowa

    Uhhh...yes you do. Every dollar you spend on GI products puts money in Inbev's pockets. So how exactly would that not be supporting them???
  26. foobula

    foobula Initiate (0) Dec 14, 2009 Illinois

    But GI isn't a profit center for ABI, it's an experiment in entering the craft market, or a way for them to learn better brewing & marketing methods, or whatever other reasons exist for their interest in GI. Wouldn't it be a good thing to continue voting for quality with our purchases, rather than boycotting and giving ABI support for the idea that we don't care about quality, just slick marketing? And if the quality drops, that's the time to demonstrate our displeasure by withdrawing our support? Would you rather see a big corporation fail at producing amazing beer or succeed?

    I'm glad they've invested in GI and that quality of the specialty beers has been maintained. I'm glad they've taken care of the Chicago market with higher quantities, special releases and cool events like Black Friday. I think they still deserve my support, until I find a higher quality replacement. I'm not voting with my dollars for anti-competitive strong-arming, I'm voting for beer that's delicious and it's a bonus that it's made here in Chicago. I wish all the profits stayed here, but if ABI has helped GI grow, I'm ok sending some money their way too.
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  27. Spindletop

    Spindletop Initiate (165) Jun 4, 2003 Massachusetts

    This. Now that I can get Juliet and Lolita without having to go to NYC, it would be a shame to lose them to cost-cutting measures.
  28. MadTown22

    MadTown22 Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2012 Wisconsin

    I would hope that AB/InBev don't skimp on quality/ingredients, and I don't think they will. But, there is something more to craft beer than just quality and a recipe. There is something rewarding about buying beer brewed by independent brewers. (whether local, or across state lines) That said, I will continue to enjoy BCBS and variants, but the less "special" beers, maybe will get a pass for something local.
  29. JediMatt

    JediMatt Initiate (80) Jun 18, 2010 Iowa

    Nice in theory, but you don't get to put the money you give them in the "delicious beer" bucket and not the "strong-arming, back-alley-distribution-dealing assholes" bucket. To them, they just see $$$$$$.
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  30. n2185

    n2185 Poo-Bah (1,777) Apr 14, 2008 North Carolina
    Beer Trader

    If Obama owned said mayor and oversaw everything he did, then yes.

    Which is exactly why it's one of the worst bbal stouts. If I wanted something that tasted like straight bourbon, I'd drink straight bourbon.

    On topic, this isn't surprising in the least. I didn't really drink much GI before they sold out since they don't distribute here, and in all of my trading and purchases when I was in their distribution range, Sofie was the only beer of theirs that I'd call good. I stopped getting even that after they sold out since I'd rather my money go to craft breweries.
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  31. foobula

    foobula Initiate (0) Dec 14, 2009 Illinois

    I guess the bad things I've heard about ABI: compelling bar owners to have a minimum # of taps, compelling distributors to load up on their products to the exclusion of others, buying beer brands and reducing their quality... haven't risen to the level of reason to boycott my favorite beer and stop participating in the premiere Chicago craft beer brand, and one that's basically revered nationwide. If I'm missing some huge blockbuster piece of dirt that should rise to that level, feel free to try and persuade me to your way of thinking.
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