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Discussion in 'Midwest' started by BeerGlassesCollector, Oct 23, 2018.
Ah ok, good call.. To be honest, I haven't been able to find an actual post, myself.
I completely disagree here.. If I lived close, it's no skin off my hide to drive <20 minutes, pick it up, and go home.
A vast majority of the response I have seen from people who have had this beer before is they are simply not bothering with it this time around.
Sure, there will be people who are going to pony up, there always will be. Most people though are pissed, this beer was released in 2014 for $25 dollars. If you've been a long time TG customer, I have no idea why you wouldn't be pissed.
There are price mark-ups all along the way, and it's funny to see where people draw the line. Mark-up at the source vs. at the retail store vs. in the secondary market. It's certainly not limited to beer or whisk(e)y regardless of production methods.
I would agree that Pappy van Winkle is priced appropriately from the distillery, but often sees a huge mark-up when it hits the retail store. Fun article comparing Pappy van Winkle MSRP vs. Average Market Pricing.
TG charged $25 for the exact same beer just 4 years ago in 2014.
Please spare us the "cost of production" argument non-sense. It's a simple money grab.
I'm not saying it's cost of production. I never once sited the cost of ingredients, barrels, wages, etc.. I called it a price mark up, but this time coming from the source instead of being tacked on by a retail store (in the case of marked up bottles of Pappy van Winkle or Cantillon). Same could be said for other limited production items.
I also had no clue KBBS sold for $25 at one point. That is absurd and puts this in a new perspective.
Anyone from TG participate on this site? If so, tell the owners to F*ck off!
I live just two hours away from Decorah and you do have a good point! I could leave that morning and be home afternoon.
I am considering going to the release (if I get the ticket). There is no way in hell I am going to drink a $100 dollar bottle of beer. That's just too much money. And I have never sold a beer for profit. But what I do consider doing is a quantity trade. Why not get 6-8 good beer for that one KBBS?
I think the thing that really irks me is they aren't even having it on tap, that is just beyond cheap to me.
And your last point is exactly why I think this release primarily benefits people who want to flip the bottles, either for cash or other beers.
I think having a pour just encourages some people to then sell the bottle. They may be more likely to drink the bottle if it's their only way of getting the tick that seemingly unlocks untappd glory.
Unicorn urine barrels.
$100 lol hell no. I would rather take that and buy a nice allotment of various beers to enjoy or give to my friends over the holidays.
But that is America, you can choose to not buy also. So if they sell them that is their deal.
I can see both sides to this. If I were going to this and paid 100 bucks I'd want a glass and a pour because that cheap as fuck to not include those two things. However, if I were a flipper or someone who wanted to trade this, then that would definitely make me more inclined to sell the bottle if I got a taste. Either way, $100 for a bottle from the brewery is fucking outrageous.
I'm only being honest because again there is no way I will drink a 100 dollar beer (unless I split it four ways with someone...which still is expensive). I don't see how anyone would drink this...unless they have absolutely no financial constraints.
It is a bummer they don't have it on tap, that is just dumb.
I wouldn't just this beer by the #1 status on this website. The price and scarcity alone make this beer start at a 4.5 rating.
Yeah it's definitely something I thought about but ultimately I decided I think the lack of a pour is more likely to drive the honest people away than anything else. The people who are going to flip this are still going to go to flip it, having a pour just is more of an added bonus to them.
And why doesn't it benefit the people who trade for KBBS or buy it on the secondary market? They obviously think that they're getting their beer/money's worth, or they wouldn't trade for/buy it. In fact, if it wasn't priced that high, they would probably not even get the chance to try it.
I think that's well known, but it shows some of the flagrant price structuring being carried out by some in the industry. There's so many great beers out there now, I'd probably just say no to TB beers altogether. Other than a small bottle count what drives that price to $100? Did some super hot swimsuit model play with the bottle in some wierd way to provide the live yeast? And let me add there will be a staggeringly long line of that's how they're releasing, or thousands if it's a lottery. Kinda sad IMO. The money they make off of that volume/pricing structure is a fart in the wind to their bottom line, the negative thought will outweigh the positive I think. It will be held hostage on the FT site for $300 worth of beer, and traders should just say no too.
I will give the money to charity before I pay that price for a beer, any beer.
Those people can already buy the beer now at a ridiculous mark up.
Several thoughts come to mind. Someone said 1000 produced so $100k (less cost no clue there but still not BIG money). How can they maintain their perch without the hypetrain? Since I've never had I probably would do it (if I was 1500 miles closer!). I'm encouraged by the folks in the Midwest with that disposable income and or irrational exuberance. Seems like the economy is humming along as we ride this crazy train
Trading beers is dishonest now? Personally I would never even consider paying $100 for a beer, I don't even buy $30 bombers without complaining, but if other people choose to spend that much I don't see the big deal. I personally wouldn't support a company selling $100 bottles but I don't really care how other people spend their money.
If you win you can hire the Brewer to make all you want.
I was referring to people only going so they could buy the bottle to sell it at the ridiculous secondary market prices.
Generally speaking, I'm just not a fan of breweries raising the bar on what price a BA stout can command. Sure, no brewery is likely to get over $8 an ounce like TG but it sure makes it easier to charge $2, $3 or $4 an ounce ('hey, it's not expensive, look at what TG charged for KBBS'). I think consumers who might not be directly interested in KBBS might see a trickle down pricing effect to some degree. Obviously it would be near impossible to prove.
I love this company's IPAs, but I hate their rapacious prices (only selling bombers, rather than 4 packs, of their best IPAs in relatively big towns in their home state) and egregious false scarcity marketing. They're one of the only companies whose products I refuse to buy on principle.
To each their own, though.
You're right and that's a great point about what it used to cost.. The thing that bothers me the most is the fact that they could release so many more bottles and charge much less per bottle while still putting out a superb product and making money. By pricing it at $100/bottle, they're catering more towards the sellers than the drinkers. The casual craft beer drinker doesn't wanna pay that much for a bottle. That's another thing that bothers me. I guess the bottom line is, they can price whatever the hell they want because those tickets are going to sell, regardless and their fan base is firmly in place.
I'm holding out for Schlafly Titanium myself.
I think both are definitely the problem.
Or maybe nobody is the problem? We're talking about a luxury item here. If people want to drop their cash on a bottle of beer that's this expensive, then who cares? It's no different than buying a pair of Louboutin shoes or an Aston Martin car or any number of luxury-branded products that are so expensive because of the extreme imbalance between demand and supply.
I'm not particularly a fan of the way TG does things in general (see, enforcing a NCC against your former brewer), but at least by charging $100 for this bottle, they are reaping some of the rewards of their own product, rather than having resellers get to pocket profits in multiples of what the beer goes for at retail. If anyone has earned the right to profit handsomely from this product, it's the company that created it, rather than the people who have a spare $100 and a Saturday to invest in buying the bottle and schlepping it to Decorah fucking Iowa.
I keep going back and forth about this in my head. Having the pour available definitely encourages the ticker types to let go of their bottle and pay for a weekend trip to Decorah without missing out on the beer completely, but I also think there's a not insignificant number of people who will be getting a bottle for the sole purpose of pocketing the $500-600 surplus that will come from selling the bottle online.
If I recall correctly, BrewDog's End of History was quite a bit more expensive. (A quick google informs me that bottles were priced at £500 back in 2010.)
Carlsberg's Jacobsen Vintage Series bottles were also pricy, starting at 2008 krone (about $300 today) in 2008.
On the other hand, KBBS will be about the same price as the last vintage of Utopias, so make of that what you will.
Certainly not insignificant. I'm thinking majority of people trying to purchase a KBBS ticket will be doing so with the intent of reselling/flipping the bottle. I don't think this is being hyperbolic.
I bought some Trader Joe's Simpler Times Pils for $3.49 a six-pack the other day ... wasn't horrible.
It's the #1 beer on this site, by a significant amount, $100 seems fair to me.
So it being rated .1 better than other top beers on average means it should be more than 4x the price of the other top rated beers on the site? Interesting use of math...
I have had this beer numerous times and agree!
Six year old video and it's probably more applicable today than it was back then. That is hilarious.
How much do Barrel Aged Abraxas, Double Barrel Hunahapu, Marshmallow Handjee, SR-71, and Barrel Aged Imperial German Chocolate Cupcake Stout retail for?
Those are the other stouts on the top 15 list (aside from Mornin' Delight, which will retail for $40 for a 12oz bottle on December 15th). I thought Marshmallow Handjee was a random variant at Dark Lord day, but I'm unsure how limited. I also don't know how much Dark Lord day tickets are, as I've never attended.
I'm honestly just curious. I've never even been in the same room as these, let alone been able to purchase one. Their secondary market prices are ridiculous though.
My tasting group has opened KBBS bottles 3x times and they've always been great. I don't think we would balk at the $$$ collectively, but individually, I would feel dumb.
What I think is funny is watching them at the RateBeer Best 2 winters ago in Santa Rosa... Their crew had probably a case (that we saw) of KBBS bottles with them and wanted everyone (including other brewers / industry Illuminati) to kiss their rings to get the shortest of pours. It was unbelievably pompous and sorta sad. Many nerds will get a chance to try KBBS because we care so much more, but most brewers will never get the chance because they have other priorities.
Personally, I thought they were pricks ... but I'm morally ambiguous (when it comes to beer) and would never turn down a pour.
Why is wine accepted to sometimes be sold at $20 or more per ounce but elite beer, at a similar ABV, is not?