KBS Statement from Founders

That stuff really was amazing and while I didn't come away with any KBS, I got a nice growler fill of the Frangelic Mtn Brown to share with friends back in AA.

 

Supposed to be reply to @dblab33 "As I told many of you out of town guys that we met, if you ever need help getting anything from up this way just let me know and I'll do what I can. Thanks for the pours and the good times... and thanks to Founders for letting all of us descend on their property for the madness that was KBS day."

Awesome to meet you and your crew Dan. My cousin and I had a great time and really appreciated all the beers you shared. I'll be shooting you a bm sometime today or tomorrow.

 

Damn. I should have gotten a growler of that as well.

 

We were there are 1:45, had no tents, and didn't sleep all night. But in any event, take a look at this:

http://www.foundersbrewing.com/?event=kbs-release

An excerpt: While we fully expect a line for case and bottle sales, we make no recommendations or guarantees as to when the line will begin, so please plan accordingly.

So what rules are you talking out?

 

I misses this release but I'm just pissed they actually had a decent tap list. Was at the last two releases and they both sucked balls.

 

Im gonna go ahead and throw my 2 cents in.

I was not at the event, but many of my friends were, and I heard their stories.

Bravo to founders for cutting the allotment and getting as many fans the beer as possible. I am what you would consider a crazy craft guy. I arrive very early for most any beer release. I did not forsee, nor did anyone else, that 1000+ people would show up to buy KBS. All they ahve to go on is prior releases. Hell, even CBS did not garner this much attention. When you show up at midnight to an 11am release, and you are 100+ in line, what are t hey going to do really? Founders did what they deemed right to get their customers beer.

Like it or not, they have contracts to uphold. Their distribution partners need to get beer to their stores as well. Founders can't just hold back an additional 600 cases (who knows, that might be the entire batch) just for a release when they likely promised that beer to other markets.

Founders did ok with this one. Next time, hand out tickets as people arrive and don't make people wait in line who you know wont get any.

 

You're still totally writing off the fact that it is rational to decide whether or not to road trip or stand around for x hours or camp etc based on the specific amount of beer the brewery tells you that you can buy. In my opinion it is indefensible for a brewery to announce one allotment and then change it day-of. It changes whether or not it makes sense to go, for a lot of people. And it's unnecessary. Don't tell people how much they can buy. It could be a bottle, could be a case. It's worth it to me to road trip for a case of something great. It's not worth $150+ to me to road trip for 3 four packs. That's my decision to make. That's your decision to make. Bait and switch is bullshit.

 

That's not bait and switch.

 

You're telling me that people wouldn't have made the drive if they were getting half a case? I highly doubt that. You would have stayed home? Half a case is more than anyone will get at a store. I guess you're just about getting the beer, and not going out to see friends, drink good beer, and have a good time. If you don't value that, then the only thing you factor in when deciding if it's worth it is the profit you make selling half a case vs a full case on ebay. Beer used to be fun when it didn't involve all this whining.

 

Someone needs to look up the definition of bait and switch.

 

You're wrong. If you want to pay $150 you can get 3 four packs right now. Maybe you live close to Grand Rapids. I don't. And yes it is bait and switch. People were told they could buy a case and didn't learn until 10:30 or whatever that they could only get half of that. The first 300 people have a legitimate reason to disagree with this decision. Maybe it doesn't impact your decision making. It would for me.

 

A bait and switch is, economically, someone offering you one product for a set price, than providing you with an entirely different product for a higher price..

And yes, you are right, I have no problem with you first 300 being upset, but I am also allowed to laugh at how butthurt you all are being.

 

oops, beaten by decadance

Bait-and-switch is a form of fraud, most commonly used in retail sales but also applicable to other contexts. First, customers are "baited" by advertising for a product or service at a low price; second, the customers discover that the advertised good is not available and are "switched" to a costlier product.

KBS was available. Founder's did not try to sell you a costlier product. It is not bait-and-switch. If you want people to take you seriously, stop using the wrong terminology.

 

Then you should have really took a stand, not given Founders ANY of your hard earned money and walked away with zero 4 packs. Did you?

 

And what number were you at the Dark Horse 4Elf party?

 

I was wondering the same thing. Did any of you who were so outraged and offended by the "bait and switch" actually refuse your allotment in protest, or buy it anyway and then went home and complained?

 

I had a good time! Who else had a good time?

 

Hey, sell your stuff on eBay like everyone else!

 

I was #34

 

I wasn't in the first 300. I was skunked entirely, and I'm not complaining about that. I'm simply stating that some of you guys are ignoring that this is a legitimate gripe. Bait and switch also applies to price/value and availability. Looking up a wiki definition is awesome.

Changing the allotment from the stated amount on the release date is changing whether or not it's worth spending a weekend to go drink beer. It's great to meet people and usually the lines are a lot of fun. But there was nothing pouring in the line that you couldn't also arrange at a local tasting, so let's not pretend that the purpose of standing in line isn't to buy beer. Let's also refrain from presumptions of each others motives. My group was one of the only ones around us that brought and poured beer. We supplied the area around us in line. I've never sold a beer, and I only open rares and whales when I can share them. But you have my motives pegged, don't you?

Maybe $100 here and $100 there don't matter to you. I have to consider which road trips I can take. I wouldn't have done this trip for 12 bottles, because I could get 12 bottles for $150 or less. I can make the absurd beer drinking party happen without a road trip.