KBS Statement from Founders

Discussion in 'Great Lakes' started by Mattmc1973, Mar 10, 2012.

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  1. Mattmc1973

    Mattmc1973 Initiate (171) Jun 4, 2008 Michigan
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    Nah, the secret Russian Roulette game in the brew house takes the cake. Making people risk shooting themselves for a chance at an extra case...for shame!
  2. steebo777

    steebo777 Zealot (511) Jun 30, 2009 Michigan

    Really? I thought 4Elf party was one of the worst releases I have ever been to (KBS included). If I would've not waited in line and just enjoyed the taplist at 4Elf, I would've had more fun.
  3. maltmaster420

    maltmaster420 Aspirant (294) Aug 17, 2005 Oregon
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    Wow. I don't think I've ever seen so much concentrated butthurt in one thread before. Thanks for the entertaining read!
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  4. travMI13

    travMI13 Aspirant (213) Jan 7, 2012 Michigan
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    Are you serious about BB PT5? Boo. Amateur hour on my part for not buying more. I was fairly sane and believe I only bought 12 or 16 bottles. That was incredibly stupid of me.

    And yeah, 4Elf was sweet. I enjoyed it a lot. Only complaint (and this is on me): we should have gotten a hotel room and taken a cab so I didn't need to DD and could have tried more. The fact that they were pouring full pints of all of their high gravity beers for 4 or 5 bucks (!) made for a potentially bad situation. It also made for a great time.
  5. Corbet

    Corbet Initiate (164) Nov 7, 2010 Michigan
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    Wow... that sucks. Looks like I need to hold onto my last remaining 4-pack then. Hopefully they have something else released in bottles for their 4Elf Party.
  6. MarcatGSB

    MarcatGSB Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2011 Michigan

    Why didn't you just do both?
  7. MarcatGSB

    MarcatGSB Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2011 Michigan

    It may not, no, but I didn't have to drive 9 hours (in my own state), to get a beer that isn't distributed in my area (in my own state), only to come home with a half a case of said beer. I love Founder's beer, don't get me wrong, but when I as a restaurant/liquor license holder, in the State of MI can't even get a 1/6th barrel of Centennial IPA, yet I see Red's Ale House in Iowa City Iowa has KBS, Better Half, Breakfast Stout, and Double Trouble for the roll out of Founders (into ANOTHER state), I just get frustrated. And instead of bitching about it, I'll just enjoy beer that is on my door step so to speak.
  8. steebo777

    steebo777 Zealot (511) Jun 30, 2009 Michigan

    Because I was fending off the line jumpers and trying to drink at the same time. Even though I was number 74 in line, it took 2.5hrs to end up buying my beer. Definitely was not a fun release.
  9. Corbet

    Corbet Initiate (164) Nov 7, 2010 Michigan
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    Man that sucks... the people around us were really cool and my girlfriend kept leaving the line to bring everybody beer and snacks. Good times.
  10. hopeandpoke

    hopeandpoke Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2010 Michigan

    Felt bad for the girls having to use the porta potty's, they stunk as bad as founders cutting the allotment!
  11. BeRanger

    BeRanger Devotee (433) Dec 11, 2011 Michigan
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    Raymo is spreading filthy lies in an attempt to corner the BA PT5 market!
  12. raymo55

    raymo55 Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2011 Michigan
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    HAHA....that would be a great idea!

    But I just got a responce from them via Facebook that they will being bottling more and releasing it at the 4Elf party again this year!!!

    But they will probably "bait and switch" all of the "travelers" the day of the party, so maybe they should all just stay home!
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  13. dlello2

    dlello2 Initiate (0) Nov 11, 2011 Illinois

    The 4 Elf party was my first release ever and I had a fucking fantastic time. I'd go again just for the company and taplist!
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  14. BeRanger

    BeRanger Devotee (433) Dec 11, 2011 Michigan
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    The taplist was outstanding but the fact that they were 16oz pours were unreal. My buddy was the DD so I had to finish the drinks he wanted to try but couldnt finish. As a result, like most people I pretty much unintentionally blacked out.

    I really hope they'd allow people to drink in line next year but good lord, if KBS is any sort of judge to what is going to be happening at releases, it could be a nightmare.

    I want some more King of the Forest, Smells like Weed and the Cherry Bourbon one that I cant remember the name for.
  15. MarcatGSB

    MarcatGSB Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2011 Michigan

    That is unfortunate that you didn't enjoy yourself, and had to deal with people who were there for the wrong reasons...
    We weren't too far ahead of you, numbers 31-35, had a great time, sampled quite a few of the many tap offerings, got our case limits, enjoyed some of the great food, and music. Maybe next year if I show up at 9 and there are 100 people there waiting, I will have different thoughts on the event, but last years was a success IMO.
  16. MarcatGSB

    MarcatGSB Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2011 Michigan

    Mmmm Bourbon Barrel Cherry Triple Sapient, me want more! That was so good, and the first beer to disappear.
  17. BeRanger

    BeRanger Devotee (433) Dec 11, 2011 Michigan
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    31-35? I think we met - I was I think 39 thanks to a few guys from Chicago who hooked me up with one of their numbers since their buddy wasnt feeling good. Nice upgrade from 130 :slight_smile:
  18. SteelersX

    SteelersX Disciple (374) Jan 30, 2011 New York
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    Man - In 2008 I was third in line out of three people at 10:45am
    Went in had three beers and a sandwich before buying four cases.
    The year after that the beer sold out by 2:30 pm. still got there are 10 and no problems getting beer.

    I wont ever attend this even again not because it's Founders fault but because people are "crazy" (being nice) enough to wait over night in freezing weather for beer.

    At least I'm young enough to remember the good ole days.

    My younger friend got out of work at 9PM friday, drove 9 hours to get in line first thing in the morning, and got shut out.
  19. travMI13

    travMI13 Aspirant (213) Jan 7, 2012 Michigan
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    For the record, I was the DD who kept feeding NPH drinks. If you can picture an NPH lookalike with bloodshot eyes and unintelligible speech, that is what it looked like, only funnier. I'm just glad he didn't puke in my car. Good times.

    For the record, Bourbon Homosapien Cherry Trip Ale is one of the best beers I have ever had to date. I want that again.
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  20. SteelersX

    SteelersX Disciple (374) Jan 30, 2011 New York
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    Standing out all night in the cold for beer does not make you any more of a fan than anyone else.
    It makes you .........
    anyone else can fill in the rest.
  21. nanobrew

    nanobrew Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2008 California

    I think a lot of people are putting blame in the wrong place. This is how I see it.

    Founder fault: Cutting allotments last minute. I understand that they want to spread the beer to people who show up, but they could do this by not distributing the beer so thinly. Also, they should have informed people right away, both those whose allotments were cut and those who didn't have a chance at getting any.

    Attendees Fault: Allowing cutting. Sure Founders can do some other things to eliminate this (hand out numbered tickets earlier), but overall the responsibility lies on the beer community. Allowing people to cut is plain wrong, i don't care if it is "just one person" or what other excuses you have, your "effort" does not deserve you to move ahead of others.

    Just the way it is: Some of you had to drive insane distances and camp at night. That was your choice, and you got the beer (unfortunately not as much as you thought) as long as you were the first 300. If you showed up after the first 300, honestly, you did not deserve the beer. Sure, it is nice if you got some, count yourself lucky, but it was at the expense of others. If this meant you had to get there at 2am to be the first 300, then that is the way it is. Is that crazy, and not "fair" to your circumstances...maybe, but not everything is fair and equal. Special releases are getting crazier, but that is life. You knew the "rules" ahead of time, the amount of effort you want to put into getting the beer is up to you. But be aware, that at some point your effort may not be good enough to get some.

    Solutions? Founders needs to A) lower bottle limits, or B) not distribute as much, or C) not do a bottle release at the brewery, just have it on tap, or D) some combination. Lastly, as a general rule... don't be assholes. Everyone is there to have a good time, don't get selfish and ruin some's experience by cutting or doing some other jerk move.
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  22. crossovert

    crossovert Initiate (0) Mar 29, 2009 Illinois

    Founders should just distribute all the KBS to a liquor store in Flin Flon and make people go out there and get it.
  23. dblab33

    dblab33 Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Michigan

    Hey nano, so what about those that were in the first 300 but somehow ended up being in the 400s when tickets came out? They didn't deserve the beer? Can't say I agree with that.
  24. nanobrew

    nanobrew Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2008 California

    That is not at all what I said. I stated one of the problems is cutters. The first 300 people should be the first 300 people. Cutters fall into the asshole category, this is an issue that needs to be addressed.

    The solution is not to say "to make up for cutters we will cut allotments in half to make sure those who did show up early enough get some". The solution is for the community to stop allowing cutters (whether you are the one cutting, allowing a friend to cut, or see someone cut and not say anything) and for breweries to help come up with a system that limits/eliminates cutting.
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