Kuhnhenn Winter Solstice 2012

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  1. JohnB87

    JohnB87 Mar 14, 2011 Michigan

    True. I'd be willing/mildly excited to try it, but wouldn't go to great lengths for it. Honestly it wasn't even on my hit list when I was planning on stopping by after work.
  2. Mattmc1973

    Mattmc1973 Jun 4, 2008 Michigan

    I have to admit I'm mildly disappointed. I took the day off, and was planning on spending a LOT of money that day after I saw the initial list.

    I mean, here was the initial list of barrel-aged/rare heavy hitters:

    BB 4D
    Raspberry Eisbock
    BB Solar Eclipse
    BA Nine
    BB Banana French Toast

    That list is now:

    BB 4D
    BB Solar Eclipse

    Granted, this saves me a lot of money, but I was wanting to grab some of all of those things. I'll still have a great time, this just makes the second year in a row I'm underwhelmed by the offerings after years of amazing lists.
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  3. chrisbokmuller

    chrisbokmuller Sep 11, 2011 Michigan

    It's in the events listing, not on the front page.
  4. cosmicevan

    cosmicevan Dec 13, 2009 New York
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    wow, these limits don't bode well for anything kuhnhenn from this release hitting NY distro soon.
  5. sarcastro

    sarcastro Sep 20, 2006 Michigan

    Seeing I wasn't planning on buying bottles for myself, I will enjoy the less people from less bottles released. Should be interesting.
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  6. buzze40

    buzze40 Mar 9, 2010 Illinois

    And no need to show up early really. with those kinda limits they wont run out of anything for quite a while.....
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  7. buzze40

    buzze40 Mar 9, 2010 Illinois

    yeah, thx. found it. Dont like it, but I found it.
  8. jegross2

    jegross2 Jan 3, 2010 Illinois

    Is it me, or is there like BB4d and nothing being released lol. Sure, ill take an american stout too, but, no Rasp eisbock, no french toast, no BBBW, no RIS, no food, 1 bottle limits.....
  9. mike409

    mike409 Jan 25, 2012 Michigan

    cool don't come then.
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  10. cosmicevan

    cosmicevan Dec 13, 2009 New York
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    far from the area and can't come...but wouldn't i love to read that the release was mellow and the list was a total fake and rasp eis, bbbw, etc was released and there were no limits and since everyone stayed home, distro gets great stuff too!!!!!!!
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  11. mike409

    mike409 Jan 25, 2012 Michigan

    I am pretty sure you will be able to go back Sunday and buy more BB4D
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  12. RyanMM

    RyanMM Mar 12, 2009 Michigan

    Wait, the solar that came out at the 2010 Solstice was 2009 Solar? You sure?
  13. steebo777

    steebo777 Jun 30, 2009 Michigan

    Pretty sure, I don't have any bottles to check it out though.
  14. jegross2

    jegross2 Jan 3, 2010 Illinois

    I'm not
  15. Knifestyles

    Knifestyles Jun 7, 2005 New York

    I mean, there are bottles of 2010 Solar Eclipse....but that's not to say that Kuhnhenn didn't just slap a new label on the same batch just for that particular Solstice release.

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  16. steebo777

    steebo777 Jun 30, 2009 Michigan

    That's kind of what I was thinking.
  17. sarcastro

    sarcastro Sep 20, 2006 Michigan

    It is possible, but generally when they sell previous years at bottle releases they tend to label them as such.
  18. myxmastrmike

    myxmastrmike Jul 4, 2009 Michigan

    Here's a pic of my bottle of Solar Eclipse from Summer Solstice 2010
    I swear the description I remember reading at the time said that it was aged in a bourbon barrel, and the flavor kind of reflected that... But, with nothing being on the bottle about barrel ageing, and them specifically saying that this bottle release IS barrel aged, I will NEVER be so happy to be mistaken lol!

    The 2010 Solar Eclipse IMO is AMAZING and bar none the best big ABV imperial stout i've ever had (by leaps and bounds)
    I only bought 4 bottles when I got it, and after spending a good 2-3hrs slowly enjoying it that evening, I've been kicking myself for not buying more when I had the chance.
    I rationed my remaining 3 but, it's been a little over a year since my last bottle was enjoyed.

    Now, since 2010 was the last successful batch, One can assume that this release is the amazing 2010 version that I know and love, that they stuck in a bourbon barrel, which will only further add to the glory lol!
  19. myxmastrmike

    myxmastrmike Jul 4, 2009 Michigan

    Also, Like said above, when they sell a previous years brew again later on, I've always known them to still have that years label on the bottle.
    It would be pretty hard (and take a LONG time) to go thru and remove all the 2009 labels just to stick 2010 labels on.
  20. steebo777

    steebo777 Jun 30, 2009 Michigan

    I thought they just used a 2009 keg and sold it at the 2010 Summer Solstice (which they definitely have done before). As I said above though, I could definitely be wrong.
  21. Knifestyles

    Knifestyles Jun 7, 2005 New York

    Basically what they've been doing with the Raspberry Eisbock for the past 4 years or so....except it always said 2007 on the labels.

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  22. FEUO

    FEUO Jul 24, 2012 Canada (ON)

    If the world still exists after Friday I may try to pop over for some sips and bottles on Saturday or Sunday. Hopefully some BB4D is left over.

    Noticed the 1 bottle limit on the Dark Heathen. Is the bottle limit based on how much they have to sell or something else?
  23. surlytheduff

    surlytheduff Jul 22, 2010 Tajikistan

    That's what they did with Extraneous Ale last year. It was from the same batch as the 2010 Extraneous, but I'm pretty sure that they just put a 'Winter Solstice 2011' label on it.
  24. Knifestyles

    Knifestyles Jun 7, 2005 New York

    Since it's the last year's vintage, I'd imagine it's because their stock has dwindled. I don't think it's particularly "rare" by any means. Actually, I can still buy it on the shelf in Westchester, NY.
  25. myxmastrmike

    myxmastrmike Jul 4, 2009 Michigan

    I'm going to second this...
    2011 Heathen is available at virually every major beer store in the East Deroit Metro area... and for $2+ cheaper per bottle lol!
    If you're a Heathen fan, just stop by a beer store on your way to the party, buy as many as you like, and bring em along to enjoy there.
    Maybe leave em in the car and have your first drink there so they can cool down a bit since they're on shelves, but after that, you'd be good to go lol...

    I am pondering the idea of pulling one of my 2010 and 2011 bottles of BB4D, bringing them along and doing a vertical tasting with those and 2012.. Seems as good a time as any haha
  26. mike409

    mike409 Jan 25, 2012 Michigan

    So are we safe to assume that with the dropping if kre\bbbw\and French toast and also adding the low limits that probably half the people that were planning to come are now not going to?
  27. dblab33

    dblab33 Dec 9, 2011 Michigan

    Pretty sure a lot of folks that planned to come in from out of town may now reconsider. I love me some Kuhnhenn beverages but can't say I'd drive too far to get them considering the low limits and absence of the bottles you mentioned.
  28. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Mar 17, 2010 Michigan

    Can't speak for everyone else, but I'll still be there! Looking forward to the party! :grinning:
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  29. 1noa

    1noa Mar 24, 2011 Virginia

    I'm not going to be heading over till Saturday now, can't wait to have a few.
  30. RyanMM

    RyanMM Mar 12, 2009 Michigan

    At least with the Extraneous, it still said 2010 on the bottle. I have some of those, I'm pretty sure.
  31. Mattmc1973

    Mattmc1973 Jun 4, 2008 Michigan

    Having so many bottles fall off the list, I have to think its going to cost them tens of thousands of dollars in revenue. They probably figure it's not really lost revenue, since they'll eventually sell the beer. But this party is their biggest potential audience to sell the most beer in the shortest time.

    I have no idea how much Raspberry Eisbock they brew, but let's pretend they sell two 1/2 barrels worth in bottles and draft at the party. Doing the math, when they normally sell it at $2/oz, thats over $7,000.
  32. Knifestyles

    Knifestyles Jun 7, 2005 New York


    There's no loss. They're going to sell everything they make....whether it comes out this Friday or next summer. Had they dumped all of this beer down the drain, then that would be a loss.

    Selling the most amount of beer in the shortest amount of time isn't exactly the point here either.
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  33. claspada

    claspada Sep 27, 2007 New Jersey

    Has anyone ever tasted the Simcoe Sillier, BA Solar Eclipse or Sol Invictus, can't find much information on any of them.
  34. northernbrews

    northernbrews Apr 12, 2006 Michigan

    Yep, I think the fact that they won't have the KRE, BBBW and French Toast will make for a better party overall and is a win - win for Kuhnhenn and locals. The party will be less crowded and I imagine there will be far less lining up at 4am to grab an order sheet now.

    I wish breweries in general would have smaller releases with only a few different bottles throughout the year instead of these mega releases once or twice a year.
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  35. steebo777

    steebo777 Jun 30, 2009 Michigan

    Per their FB page:
    Sol Invictus is a bottle conditioned Saison with Sage, Russian Sage(blossoms only) and orange peel. It is outstanding! The Stollen is an ale that tastes like a stollen.
  36. Knifestyles

    Knifestyles Jun 7, 2005 New York

    They're all new beers, technically....two of which are new treatments of beers that already exist.

    Simcoe Sillier is a stronger version of Simcoe Silly (apparently brewed with honey)

    Barrel Aged Solar Eclipse is just that...

    Sol Invictous is described as "a bottle conditioned Saison with Sage, Russian Sage (blossoms only) and orange peel"
  37. Mattmc1973

    Mattmc1973 Jun 4, 2008 Michigan

    Right, that's what I said, they probably figure it's no loss since they'll eventually sell it. But if you're running a business, guaranteed big money now is better than probable money later. And for those saying "less crowds and less people lining up" is better...sure it's better, for US. But if you're running the business, more crowds and more lines equals more money. Think of the money the breweries make at Dark Lord or 4Elf days. Most money they make all year. If they announced days before that most of the beers people are coming for are not ready, that's a huge impact in $. If Kuhnhenn doesn't care, great, yes they'll see that money later I guess.
  38. abraxel

    abraxel Aug 28, 2009 Michigan

    But if they release a beer before it's ready, they'll annoy their customers even more than if they delay the release. Yes, all else being equal, it's better to get the money earlier, but it's not worth the loss of goodwill and reputation of putting out a sub-par product.

    Or at least that's apparently the conclusion they've come to, and it seems perfectly reasonable to me.
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  39. Knifestyles

    Knifestyles Jun 7, 2005 New York

    You originally stated, by your math, that Kuhnhenn is likely to lose "tens of thousands of dollars" due to the omission of a few beers from the release list....do you still stand by that estimation? Seems incredibly exaggerated.
  40. BeRanger

    BeRanger Dec 11, 2011 Michigan

    We're all clearly hard to please.

    When we buy a bottle at a release that isn't ready, we complain they should have waited to release a good product.
    When we can't buy a bottle because they won't release it for not being ready, we bitch that they aren't releasing it.
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