Lagunitas Nails the Low-Cal Craft Beer

Discussion in 'Beer News & Releases' started by ESHBG, Jan 14, 2019.

  1. ESHBG

    ESHBG Disciple (332) Jul 30, 2011 Pennsylvania

    I'm all for this trend. As I get older and since cutting back on my drinking significantly I just can't do (or more accurately, don't want to do) many higher ABV beers regularly anymore but I still want to enjoy a beer or two AND have something with some flavor. I haven't had Daytime in a long time but I will be on the lookout for it.

    https://amp.pastemagazine.com/articles/2019/01/lagunitas-nails-the-low-cal-craft-beer.html
     
  2. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

    Wonder how this tastes, with the low ABV/Calorie this is a great summer beer. Thanks for sharing.
     
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  3. MNAle

    MNAle Poo-Bah (2,051) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota
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    :grin:
     
  4. tzieser

    tzieser Meyvn (1,178) Nov 21, 2006 New Jersey
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    I know session IPAs are fairly well hated around here, but Lagunitas was and still is one of my favorites of the substyle (Easy Jack honorable mention). I used to buy this shit by the case when it first came out. I've always had a feeling it was fairly low in calories (very low residual sugar in the flavor profile) but I didn't think it was that low.

    If I'm ever trying to be mindful of the calories I'm drinking (not likely but you never know!) DayTime @ 98 cals for 12oz and Carton Boat @ 120 cals for 16oz are two great hoppy beers to enjoy if you love hops but are trying to conserve caloric intake.
     
  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,945) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “It is thinner than their standard IPA, without much of a malt backbone—that’s the undeniable truth of most session IPAs—but in this case, I’m okay with it.”

    Well, I am personally not OK with “thinner” here. Session IPAs are just too watery for my palate.

    Cheers!
     
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  6. Crusader

    Crusader Disciple (325) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden

    As I recall their Daytime IPA used to be 4.6% abv, so cutting the abv down to 4% helped them get the calories down no doubt. I could see the 4.6% version being dry and light tasting on its own however, seeing as how their New Dogtown is quite dry in my opinion with a good hop bite. I'm personally surprised that beer hasn't caught on more in the US compared with the IPA (from what I can gather), seeing as how it seems more in line with what consumers want (less caramel maltiness, drier taste and more hop forward as a result). It's my personal favorite from Lagunitas.
     
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  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,945) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Patrik, I am a bit embarrassed to ask this question but: when did this become a 'new' beer? How does New Dogtown compare to 'Old' Dogtown?

    Cheers!

    P.S. I have a vague recollection that @SFACRKnight has discussed in a past thread that Dogtown (New Dogtown?) is no longer available in his area?
     
  8. tzieser

    tzieser Meyvn (1,178) Nov 21, 2006 New Jersey
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    Oh man, I love New Dogtown when it's reasonably fresh. Unfortunately usually they're well over 6 months old when I find them.

    I know it's been called New Dogtown since 2012/2013 at least (I recall noticing the "New" moniker when I was living in Arizona).

    As for how it differs, i can't speak from personal experience because I've only had "New" Dogtown, not the regular Dogtown. I remember the whole point of it being "New" was the fact that it had newer, citrus-forward hops than the old recipe did. Per the Lagunitas website:

    EDIT: So apparently they dropped the "New" Dogtown thing and now it's just plain ol' "Dogtown" again.
     
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  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,945) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Quite confusing but I suppose if all that is available for sale is 6+ months old beer the labeling doesn't matter too much; this would be a non-purchase for me.

    Cheers!
     
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  10. Junior

    Junior Crusader (751) May 23, 2015 Michigan
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    This. And it’s from Lagunitas. Pass for me.
     
  11. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Poo-Bah (1,682) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    I bought a six pack.

    I'm a sucker for anything that seems like it could be halfway decent at 4% ABV or less.

    Bonus, it's in 12 oz. cans too. I like to session when I can. I also remember the old Daytime being good.
     
  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,945) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Are there no beers from Lagunitas that you do not enjoy drinking?

    Cheers!
     
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  13. Junior

    Junior Crusader (751) May 23, 2015 Michigan
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    There have been a few beer from Lagunitas that I did not enjoy drinking. There are a few from them that have been good, notably Born Yesterday and Brown Shugga. It was always kind of hard to find stuff from them close to fresh where I live so I kind of gave up them. I really gave up on them after they were fully purchased by Heineken.
     
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  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,945) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I understand you here.

    Cheers!
     
  15. Giantspace

    Giantspace Champion (854) Dec 22, 2011 Pennsylvania

    Dog town us great. Can’t remember the last time I have seen it.

    Daytime fractional IPA was a beer I had on tap when it was released. I loved it. Still buy it once or twice a year. Along with Stone go to it’s in my top 3-4 “session” IPA. I also really like NB slowride.

    Enjoy
     
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  16. Hoos78

    Hoos78 Aspirant (281) Mar 3, 2015 Ohio

    I, for one, will give it a shot. This weekend is my fantasy football payout party which should provide the perfect venue to give thIs session a session!
     
  17. ESHBG

    ESHBG Disciple (332) Jul 30, 2011 Pennsylvania

    I remember the original Dogtown and the whole thing back then was odd and a little confusing to me, as I remember the PA having higher IBUs than the IPA and was more IPA-like. I will have to try the new [old] Dogtown sometime if I come across it fresh.

    Just checked the site and their IPA is 6.2%, 1.059 OG, 51.5 IBUs (used to be 45).
    Dogtown is 6.2%, 1.050, 62. Interesting...
     
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  18. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Defender (667) Mar 28, 2009 California

    I always thought dogtown was a better ipa than their ipa.
     
  19. Crusader

    Crusader Disciple (325) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden

    Well the New moniker is in the brand name, I had no idea about the chronology but my understanding was simply that it was their pale ale to their IPA. It showed up on shelves here before the IPA did.

    Yeah the lack of mentions for it over the years made me think that it hadn't fared well in the US market, and nowadays a pale ale is of course not a hot ticket item. But back in the day I figure it had its chance, and their IPA is after all a big seller for them still.

    Your impression of it mirrors mine, good to hear it's not just me :stuck_out_tongue:. I hadn't noticed the difference in OG but that would certainly explain why it's drier at only around 12.5% plato and 6.2% abv (very similar to their Pils in other words), it's quite strongly attenuated. A brut IPA ahead its time? Below are the specs for Sierra Nevada Brut IPA:

    • ALCOHOL CONTENT 6.2% by volume
    • BEGINNING GRAVITY 12.5° plato
    • ENDING GRAVITY 0.5° plato
    • BITTERNESS UNITS 25
     
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  20. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Poo-Bah (1,682) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    The glaring difference between the two are the IBUs. Dogtown being 62, and SN's Brut being 25.

    This may take out it of the running as a "Brut IPA", whatever that actually is now.
     
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  21. ESHBG

    ESHBG Disciple (332) Jul 30, 2011 Pennsylvania

    Semi-related but Lagunitas is releasing the IPA in 19.2 oz cans, another trend I am a fan of because they are decently priced in my area usually, good for a quick grab and go and just enough beer for a sitting.
     
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  22. eldoctorador

    eldoctorador Crusader (798) Dec 12, 2014 Chile

    98 cals? Say you want a six pack watching the game(s), that's 588 calories. Not great, but it beats the ~1000 calories you would ingest with another beer
     
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  23. tzieser

    tzieser Meyvn (1,178) Nov 21, 2006 New Jersey
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    Great news. Lagunitas IPA doesn't get a ton of love here but man, I gotta say, there is something "classic" about it that makes it a timeless classic to me (not unlike SNPA). For me it's sort of a tie between Lagunitas IPA and Harpoon IPA as the "father of American IPAs (IMO of course, I'm sure I'll get blasted by those older folks who were lucky enough to enjoy Ballantine IPA in its heyday).
     
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  24. tzieser

    tzieser Meyvn (1,178) Nov 21, 2006 New Jersey
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    Exactly. 588 calories for crushing a six pack (something I rarely, rarely do) is actually very reasonable for a "craft beer". Try curshing six IPAs...190 cals for Lagunitas IPA x 6 = 1140 cals or if you want a bit more hops (like all of us do) let's say SN Torpedo IPA @ 236 cals x 6 = 1416 cals. It's not even close, really.

    Regardless, if you're counting calories in hopes of losing weight whilst still drinking 6 beers a day then you're absolutely doing it all wrong.

    EDIT: also, 588 calories is great when you consider the flavor. Would you rather have that donkey piss Michelob Ultra @ 95 calories per unit (570 per 6) or would you rather take on the measly 18 calories for a far superior beer?
     
  25. Crusader

    Crusader Disciple (325) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden

    That's true, and I think New Dogtown fits comfortably within existing style categories such as a pale ale. But at the same time I wonder if some of the people seeking out these Brut IPAs are overlooking some of the pale ales that are out there, if they are looking for a dry beer after drinking lots of high gravity IPAs. Then again they might find the pale ales out there to have outdated hop profiles which aren't pungent enough, so their only recourse are these modern Brut IPAs. And of course they may want the modern hops but can live without the sweetness and bitterness of regular IPAs and DIPAs. I could see there existing an audience for such a flavor profile, even if I myself feel like APAs are still satisfying.
     
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  26. ESHBG

    ESHBG Disciple (332) Jul 30, 2011 Pennsylvania

    I would like to hear your thoughts when you have a chance to try it.

    I completely agree. I rarely drink Lagunitas IPA but I had one recently and it was quite good, a very nicely balanced IPA that does a lot well...for the price in my area I should drink it more often.

    You may be on to something here. This discussion inspired me to try a Dogtown and I found some super fresh, dry as hell and quite enjoyable and did remind me of SN Brut in some ways but with maybe a bit more body.
     
  27. deadwolfbones

    deadwolfbones Initiate (159) Jun 21, 2014 Oregon

    Lagunitas IPA on tap is always a good option, but in the bottle, it's Russian roulette.
     
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  28. Hoos78

    Hoos78 Aspirant (281) Mar 3, 2015 Ohio

    Why? I find them pretty darn consistent, assuming that we’re comparing bottles of similar freshness.
     
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  29. deadwolfbones

    deadwolfbones Initiate (159) Jun 21, 2014 Oregon

    The freshness is what I was talking about.
     
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  30. medb

    medb Initiate (54) Aug 27, 2013 California

    So Super Cluster in year round! Great beer, preferred it to Born Yesterday.
     
  31. ESHBG

    ESHBG Disciple (332) Jul 30, 2011 Pennsylvania

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  32. surfcaster

    surfcaster Zealot (564) Apr 20, 2013 North Carolina
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    Me too. Now down to 4%--a perfect fishin' beer!

    I don't think All Day IPA became Founders biggest seller of former Bud /Bud light drinkers but "craft beer" folks looking for a bite on the low side. Other folks taking seem to be taking notice--not new but "rebooting."
     
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  33. Jwhit

    Jwhit Initiate (36) Aug 4, 2018 Kansas

    I think you’re missing the point. Super Cluster is tasty indeed, but it’s also 200+ calories and 8% ABV.

    Daytime might be worth a shot if I can find it fresh at my local beer store for less than $9 / 6 pack. lOtherwise it’s a hard pass.
     
  34. jrm303130

    jrm303130 Initiate (52) Jan 26, 2016 California

    Bought a 6 pack of this the other day. The aroma on this is great. Hops burst from the can. The hops arent as present in the taste but they are definitely there. Overall pretty impressed with this, being it's only 4 percent. Does it taste light? Yes, but there is still a good amount of flavor and the hops are present. Will be buying more.
     
  35. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Poo-Bah (1,682) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    Ha, well I technically already had one, but it was the last beer of a long session, so my palate and memory weren't in the best of shape.

    Which was kind of the idea in buying it, when you're at the end of a session, a 4% beer in a 12 oz. can is perfect.

    An 8% New England IPA in a 16 oz. can is not.

    I prefer Imperial Russian roulette.

    Yes! More 4% beers in 12 oz. cans!

    It just came out I believe, so finding it fresh shouldn't be an issue.

    As far as price, I don't think in Boston we have ANY six packs under $9...
     
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  36. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,945) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Daytime has been available since 2012.

    Cheers!
     
  37. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Poo-Bah (1,682) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    In its new format in cans at 4% ABV?
     
  38. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,945) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I told you all that I know: this beer has been around for a while.

    Cheers!
     
  39. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Poo-Bah (1,682) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    From the above linked article in the OP:

    "Or so I thought. Turns out, Lagunitas makes a kickass IPA that’s only 98 calories. DayTime IPA isn’t a new beer, but the recipe has evolved over the years, and now Lagunitas is releasing it in cans for the first time."
     
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  40. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,945) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    So, if folks are looking for fresh product they need to purchase Daytime in cans.

    I would be willing to bet there is still plenty of Daytime in bottle sitting on shelves.

    Cheers!

    @Jwhit