Laziness or a political stance?

Discussion in 'Pacific' started by quetzal013, Oct 17, 2012.

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  1. quetzal013

    quetzal013 Initiate (147) Feb 16, 2011 California

    Interesting, my stone growler does not have the pasadena address on the bottle even though that's where it was filled. Is this Stone trying to champion dissent against the annoying CA law or just them filling growlers as fast as possible for a release of Enjoy By? Laziness or a political stance?
     
  2. jtmartino

    jtmartino Disciple (317) Dec 11, 2010 California

    Growler law = more profits for Stone via glassware sales. I don't think they'd take a stance to oppose that law.
     
  3. quetzal013

    quetzal013 Initiate (147) Feb 16, 2011 California

    So they openly break a law? You err on the side of laziness.
     
  4. quetzal013

    quetzal013 Initiate (147) Feb 16, 2011 California

    Actually, I don't know the law other than hearsay, anyone have a link to CA growler laws?
     
  5. Sebowski

    Sebowski Initiate (133) Jan 11, 2010 California

    Yes.
     
  6. pinkgrenade

    pinkgrenade Initiate (182) Aug 19, 2011 California

    they arent brewing on site there... so its not really breaking the law. the beer is made in escondido and i bet its another extension of the brewery license. which apparently the state hasnt been too keen on
     
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  7. Beerandraiderfan

    Beerandraiderfan Initiate (0) Apr 14, 2009 Nevada

    Loaded question. No they don't break the law, hence, they also can't openly break the law. Your response seems to indicate you asked a question you were already set in your ways of believing to have possessed the answer to.

    I highly doubt that. There's around 40 hearsay exceptions, a continual evolution of what constitutes out of court declarations for the truth of the matter asserted and whether they are testimonial or not, often dependent upon the many jurisdictions. Even the most learned masters of evidence will disagree about what is or is not hearsay.
     
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  8. beerdweeb

    beerdweeb Initiate (172) Nov 28, 2010 California

    If it were a political stance, who that matters would ever notice this detail?
     
  9. MisterClean

    MisterClean Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2008 California

    Doubtful that any breweries get money for selling growlers. Talk to commercial brewers yourself and find out what they want. Most will say they'd be happy to fill a universal growler. Paying an extra $5-10 for a new growler (not at Port) is a bit of a turn-off for your average beer consumer.
     
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  10. kotayk

    kotayk Initiate (0) Feb 22, 2011 California

    @anacrime I noticed....
    And... My growler HAS the Pasadena address
    I don't know what the OP is talking about
    He must have bad glass.
     
  11. quetzal013

    quetzal013 Initiate (147) Feb 16, 2011 California

    Thanks?
     
  12. jmgrub

    jmgrub Aspirant (218) Nov 20, 2010 California

    I am pretty sure he was saying he doesn't know the law outside of what other people tell him, not that he's an expert on hearsay.
     
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  13. quetzal013

    quetzal013 Initiate (147) Feb 16, 2011 California

    Wulp, that is possible, maybe they had a case of "bad glass" they hauled up from home base?
     
  14. IceAce

    IceAce Savant (920) Jan 8, 2004 California
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    The license for the Pasadena location is a Ca. ABC Type 01 - BEER MANUFACTURER. What most folks do in this situation is install a small pilot system and then brew the minimum amount (per Quarter, I believe) in order to satisfy the state requirements of said 'Manufacturers License'.

    The odds are very good that you are correct in assuming the beer is produced in Escondido in my opinion

    In addition, Stone is seldom lazy when it comes to following the letter of the law...in fact, they generally err on the side of caution in such matters
     
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  15. quetzal013

    quetzal013 Initiate (147) Feb 16, 2011 California

    OK, to rephrase, I do not know the letter of the law for EtOH growler fills in CA. My impression from what people tell me is that you can only fill growlers at a location if the address of the location filling is on the glass you are trying to fill (AKA "good glass" as @Kotayk would say). If Stone Pasadena is filling with a Stone Escondido growler (AKA "bad glass"), is that legal? If yes, is it legal because it is a satellite of the mother brewery (similar to @pinkgrenade's comment)?

    Moreover, I would believe that the craft beer movement can be a boiler room for a change in CA growler law. Oregon, for example, will fill containers of all sorts and typically people can use a universal growler (@MrClean). I am an avid craft beer drinker, as I assume you all are, and I have a shelf in my garage dedicated to "good glass" that I have to tote around CA when I am traveling. I don't believe this is a logical regulation, or for that matter, a green regulation. I also don't believe that companies like Stone are making their bread and butter by charging for growlers (again @MrClean) just so they can fill them for unassuming customers. For a majority of breweries, I fundamentally believe that they just want us to enjoy their beer.

    Here are some other thoughts: (1) What is the profit margin on an empty growler? (2) What is the total cash flow for a company like Stone from the sale of an empty growler?

    Thanks all for the enjoyable feedback, but rest assured, I would prefer this be a constructive forum.
     
  16. quetzal013

    quetzal013 Initiate (147) Feb 16, 2011 California

    I agree, they probably have little incentive to break CA regulation.
     
  17. IceAce

    IceAce Savant (920) Jan 8, 2004 California
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    True dat...just try to buy a growler fill from them while having a minor in tow and you will see the (legendary!)
    caution of which i speak.
     
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  18. danedelman

    danedelman Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2011 Pennsylvania

    It's not that I am Lazy , Bob, its that I just don't care. Office space......
     
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  19. pinkgrenade

    pinkgrenade Initiate (182) Aug 19, 2011 California

    no matter how much markup goes in to a growler, its not like they charge you for a new glass every time. im not sure why people are obsessed with the idea that breweries make TONS of money from these and love selling their own growlers. people bring their growlers back. over and over and overrrrrrrr again. its just a one time purchase. the money is made in the beer folks!
     
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  20. IceAce

    IceAce Savant (920) Jan 8, 2004 California
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    It's true.

    Exactly the reason Gillette practically gives razors away...to sell the blades
     
  21. Beerandraiderfan

    Beerandraiderfan Initiate (0) Apr 14, 2009 Nevada

    That's definitely not what he said/wrote; but I see what you're saying, he used the wrong word(s) attempting to convey a different message that what he actually said. . .which is even more unsettling now that you point it out, in that he called someone else lazy, but can't even take the time to express his own thoughts accurately.

    You're 100% correct on whether this regulation is logical or green. But if you want a constructive forum, you probably shouldn't call people lazy when they take the time to answer the question you pose.
     
  22. quetzal013

    quetzal013 Initiate (147) Feb 16, 2011 California

    Thanks @beerandraiderfan for the feedback. I agree that I could have taken more time in constructing my argument, but my intention was in line with what @jmgrub deciphered. Frankly, I just wanted to post the idea before it slipped away from me and I genuinely did not have time to fully develop the idea. The use of the word lazy was more in the interest of sparking discussion, it seems clear to me that Stone is not lazy, I apologize if I did not make that clear. I also do not believe that there are only 2 reasons ((1) lazy or (2) political protest) that a Stone growler from Pasadena does not say Pasadena on it.

    I don't recall calling anyone lazy for taking the time to post, apologies if something I said made you feel that way. Does this help in making this a constructive forum, or is there something else I need to address?
     
  23. quetzal013

    quetzal013 Initiate (147) Feb 16, 2011 California

    My use of the word hearsay was not in the strict legal sense, it was more a layman's interpretation. My intention was as @jmgrub implied. I honestly can't believe this could be misunderstood based on my initial post, but I hope this makes my intention more transparent. Thanks @jmgrub for the help.
     
  24. Beerandraiderfan

    Beerandraiderfan Initiate (0) Apr 14, 2009 Nevada

     
  25. quetzal013

    quetzal013 Initiate (147) Feb 16, 2011 California

    I see what you are saying. I was referring to the original post, not the person posting (i.e. Does @jtmartino believe Stone errs on the side of laziness?). Also, there should have been a question mark on the end there. Does that help clarify going forward?
     
  26. quetzal013

    quetzal013 Initiate (147) Feb 16, 2011 California

    @jtmartino, sorry for the confusion, I hope you didn't think I was calling you lazy.
     
  27. Beerandraiderfan

    Beerandraiderfan Initiate (0) Apr 14, 2009 Nevada

    I'm not trying to be grammar cop here, but just using the proper words would go far here in assisting in communication.

    "You" generally denotes you are talking to/about a person, not a business entity (especially when replying to a person in the context of the commentary).

    Also, in terms of referring to the original post, that was yourself, and you didn't reply to yourself, you replied to someone else.

    Finally, posing a legal question, then using legal terminology, but then saying you don't know how your commentary could be misconstrued as legal terminology. . . facepalm.
     
  28. jtmartino

    jtmartino Disciple (317) Dec 11, 2010 California

    It's all good. I'm not sure that Stone can be considered a "lazy" company, but they are well-known as a profitable one.
     
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  29. jtmartino

    jtmartino Disciple (317) Dec 11, 2010 California


    The fact that someone working at a brewery already commented elsewhere in the forums that growlers are profitable is enough evidence we need. You were on that thread.

    And Stone probably turns more profit than most breweries, since they have more foot traffic than most breweries.
     
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  30. quetzal013

    quetzal013 Initiate (147) Feb 16, 2011 California

    I am trying to acknowledge your comments and correct the course of the thread, I hope you can see that. I agree that I am not perfect with grammar or legal concepts and I thank you for helping me make that clear. Obviously, I am a Russian submarine captain, not a lawyer. Honestly, after the reading back the thread, your last post comes off as a bit antagonistic, especially the facepalm.
     
  31. quetzal013

    quetzal013 Initiate (147) Feb 16, 2011 California

    @jtmartino, I have been on BA for a little while, but I am just starting to get into the forums. Is there a good/easy way to find the thread you mentioned? Thanks.
     
  32. kotayk

    kotayk Initiate (0) Feb 22, 2011 California

    What is wrong with u people
    Yes I said u ... Cuz ----- u that's why
    This is not the Harvard Law Review
    It's a BA
    Just drink good beer
    #whatareupeopledoingwithurlives
     
  33. Beerandraiderfan

    Beerandraiderfan Initiate (0) Apr 14, 2009 Nevada

    Obviously? "Privet!"

    Look man, its all good, was just pointing out some communication issues. You certainly are better at speaking in two languages (or more) than I am. Had I known your background, I certainly would have cut you some slack. My apologies in that regard.

    I'm a huge fan of Russian culture and history, my girlfriend in law school and beyond is Russian (and also has since relocated to LA), you guys have a badass wrestling/fighting program, beautiful women, I'm a big fan of Avangard Omsk, I collect a bunch of other Russian hockey jerseys (so superior to NHL jerseys, and great for skiing in), I'm really big on Russian military airplanes (not so much naval).

    Cheers my friend! Ya tebia lublu ruskies.
     
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  34. jtmartino

    jtmartino Disciple (317) Dec 11, 2010 California

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  35. quetzal013

    quetzal013 Initiate (147) Feb 16, 2011 California

  36. pinkgrenade

    pinkgrenade Initiate (182) Aug 19, 2011 California

    i work at a brewery. i see how many people buy growlers and how many people come back to fill them. and stone probably makes more money in growler sales than some breweries because they have a lot of out of town vistors. AND because of california growler laws since those people cant just bring their own

    but for a regular brewery, glass isn't making or breaking the business.
     
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