Lazy man's KBS

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  1. BrewStew58

    BrewStew58 Initiate (0) Mar 29, 2011 New York

    I don't know if FBS and KBS are the same base beer. There might be a thread about this already, but has anyone tried a serial dilution of bourbon using FBS to see if you can match the flavor of KBS. FBS +1 shot, FBS + 1/2 shot..... Or is bourbon no substitute for strait from the barrel flavor?
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  2. Michigan

    Michigan Initiate (0) Oct 24, 2012 Michigan

    They are not the same base beer. And bourbon is no substitute for barrel.

    You could try it though
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  3. cnbrown313

    cnbrown313 Disciple (351) May 29, 2012 Illinois

    Totally different base beers, however, I've swirled around a touch of good bourbon (Woodford I think) in my glass before pouring a Breakfast Stout. It's good... but it's also no substitute for KBS.
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  4. Handle

    Handle Initiate (145) Mar 16, 2009 North Carolina

    As has been said, it can work in a pinch but is no substitute for the smoothness imparted from months in a barrel.
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  5. BrewStew58

    BrewStew58 Initiate (0) Mar 29, 2011 New York

    I guess I have my answer. Only the real thing will do. Thanks for helping!
  6. atoulouk

    atoulouk Aspirant (268) Apr 25, 2011 Indiana
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    One thing that I have done is take a good quality maple syrup and put some bourbon in that and let it in my cellar for a while. I put that in a FBS and it was great! No CBS, but still very good. Tried the same thing with honey/bourbon and cherry/bourbon.

    It's fun to play with FBS because I've had it so many times I know the base beer very well.
  7. BrewStew58

    BrewStew58 Initiate (0) Mar 29, 2011 New York

    Sounds fun, I'll try some of that stuff.
  8. rxeight

    rxeight Aspirant (294) Feb 5, 2012 Illinois

    Get some central waters peruvian mountain. That is a cheap substitute for KBS.
  9. Mgm54

    Mgm54 Disciple (370) Apr 7, 2011 Illinois
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    Glad to hear! I've got one in my fridge right now!
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  10. BarrelAgedBarry

    BarrelAgedBarry Aspirant (265) Feb 27, 2012 Minnesota
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    I just picked up 8 bottles last Saturday. I have yet to try it.
  11. YCantWeNotBeSober

    YCantWeNotBeSober Initiate (0) Jul 27, 2012 Michigan

    I blended some FIS and FBS the other night with great results. The coffee contribution of FBS + The imperial thickness of FIS to me pretty much matched the consistency and flavor of KBS minus the vanilla bourbon orgasm. Might have to try a splash of Maker's Mark in the mix.
  12. ThirstyFace

    ThirstyFace Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 New York

    I think people are disillusioned by the sophistication of what barrels lend to a stout.
  13. jar72404

    jar72404 Initiate (137) May 31, 2009 Florida

    Sorry, I love Central Waters, but Peruvian Morning and KBS shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence. Peruvian Morning is way too thin and artificial tasting (assuming it's not infected).

    CW's bourbon barrel stout, on the other hand, holds up pretty well against KBS.
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  14. screamking

    screamking Devotee (470) Jan 20, 2013 Ohio
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    Woodford? Good bourbon? Just messing with ya! I've went from drinking Elmer t lee to FIS in the same snifter to surprising good results. I will note I've never had KBS before so I can't compare.
  15. FatBoyGotSwagger

    FatBoyGotSwagger Meyvn (1,059) Apr 4, 2009 Pennsylvania

    Thats harsh. Peruvian Morning is a fine substitite for KBS. KBS is bigger and bolder but PM hits all the sweet spots that KBS does for most people.
  16. Stevedore

    Stevedore Poo-Bah (4,201) Nov 16, 2012 Wisconsin
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    Pretty interesting thread altogether, even if we are never going to come close to approximating KBS by mixing stuff together.

    It does make me wonder if it's any easier to homebrew a KBS vs a BCBS by virtue of the grain bill difference between 15% and 11.2%. A good handful of bourbon-soaked wood chips would impart some vanilla bourbon flavour. But that would certainly not qualify as a lazy man's KBS, I guess!
  17. Michigan

    Michigan Initiate (0) Oct 24, 2012 Michigan

    Get good and drunk on some good bourbon (Blantons or BT) then drink some FBS. You'll never know
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  18. cjoc83

    cjoc83 Aspirant (282) Jul 31, 2010 Pennsylvania
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    When I made the mistake of buying a six-pack of Dominion's Oak Barrel Stout, I let it sit for a while after choking down the first bottle I drank. Eventually I decided to try mixing some bourbon in with it to see if it would improve it. The only thing laying around was Jeremiah Weed. It made it more palatable, but only slightly (JM probably isn't the ideal bourbon you want to mix with beer though). Either way, I'm pretty done with the mixing-my-own-specialty-beer deal. Regular craft is good enough for me.
  19. ThirstyFace

    ThirstyFace Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 New York

    Are you suggesting that Woodford Reserve is not a good bourbon?
  20. Ispeakforthetrees

    Ispeakforthetrees Disciple (356) Apr 2, 2012 Colorado

    And you bought 8 bottles of it?
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  21. victory4me

    victory4me Zealot (547) Oct 16, 2004 Pennsylvania

    I agree with this when it comes to bourbon barrel aged stouts. Think, the barrel aging adds woodsy character to the bourbon, so therefore it should add the same characters to the beer. Finding the right ratios is critical and any more than a few drops will damage the character of the beer. There are a few stouts that pair really well with a few drops of tasty bourbon. Bell's Cherry Stout being one of my favorites.

    That being said, stouts aged on fresh oak (not bourbon) most definitely take on some fantastic characters from the barrel.
  22. zac16125

    zac16125 Poo-Bah (1,805) Jan 26, 2010 South Carolina
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    Ive been told that FIS is the base beer for KBS. They have different ABVs, and I dont think they taste similar enough, but thats the rumor Ive heard.
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  23. screamking

    screamking Devotee (470) Jan 20, 2013 Ohio
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    Woodford is overpriced and average at best. Just so many better options for the money, but like anything people like what they like.
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  24. KingforaDay

    KingforaDay Defender (665) Aug 5, 2010 New Jersey
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    How long before we see a "I poured honey in my Two Hearted" and made some "Hopslam" thread?
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  25. DLDlulz

    DLDlulz Aspirant (221) Feb 15, 2012 Illinois
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    Peruvian Morning all the way!!!
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  26. richardflyr

    richardflyr Aspirant (227) Jul 28, 2009 Connecticut
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    I just drink some Cafe Royale when I feel like having a poor man's KBS.
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  27. ThirstyFace

    ThirstyFace Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 New York

    Most bourbon is overpriced, but to call it average is crazy.
  28. fredmugs

    fredmugs Poo-Bah (1,547) Aug 11, 2012 Indiana
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    A lazy man isn't going to dig themselves a cave either. KBS is all about the cave.
  29. Herky21

    Herky21 Crusader (719) Aug 7, 2011 Iowa
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    I wouldn't recommend using bourbon in those quantities either. If I were adding bourbon to a 5 gallon batch I might use 1/2 a cup (with oak or whatever). You would be using droplets to add it to a glass.
  30. nachos

    nachos Initiate (97) Jun 4, 2012 Michigan
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    Woodford is definitely average, and their distillery is like a tourist trap/amusement park.
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  31. nc41

    nc41 Poo-Bah (1,527) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Right on the money. Adding bourbon is no sub for a barrel, it tastes like bourbon added to beer, even 2 drops is too much bourbon. My Bourbon of choice is Knob Creek and or Wild Turkey Rare Breed, right out of the barrel cask strength, but still very smooth and very deep in flavor..
  32. beercanman

    beercanman Initiate (0) Dec 17, 2012 Ohio

    Tried this with fis and a 1/2 oz of wild turkey rare. It ruined the beer. I don't think there is a substitute for barrel aging. If you find one I would love to know.
  33. atone315

    atone315 Savant (971) Oct 8, 2008 Wisconsin
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    1/2 oz is almost a 1/2 oz too literally need just a hint of bourbon/rum/whiskey. I usually pour 1/2 - 1 oz in my glass, swirl around the glass, knock it back, and then pour in my beer.
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  34. BrewStew58

    BrewStew58 Initiate (0) Mar 29, 2011 New York

    I know in the initial post I said a shot, 1/2 shot then all the way down. But it sounds like it should be done drop wise lol
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  35. beercanman

    beercanman Initiate (0) Dec 17, 2012 Ohio

    Interesting. What were the results? That sounds way more promising. I way over did it. Live and learn I guess.
  36. blivingston1985

    blivingston1985 Disciple (326) Jan 7, 2010 North Carolina

    Did you mean to say people are disillusioned by the sophistication of what barrels lend to stout or did you mean to say people are overrating what a barrel lends to a stout?
  37. kdb150

    kdb150 Zealot (502) Mar 8, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    The main challenge for a homebrewer in making a 15% beer is in the yeast. There aren't really any brewer's yeasts that have that kind of alcohol tolerance. Typically you'd use a wine or champagne yeast to get the alcohol up, but if you're making a giant stout, you risk overcarbing and over-attenuating your beer, drying it out and screwing up the mouthfeel. I know there are plenty of homebrewers that can successfully make a 15%+ stout, but it takes a lot of practice to get there. An 11% stout is much easier to manage at home, although adding coffee presents its own problems, as a tiny bit seems to go an awful long way.
  38. nickapalooza86

    nickapalooza86 Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2010 Wisconsin

    I think you mean KBS is a expensive substitute for Peruvian Morning:wink: Which I like way more then KBS.
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  39. Hindsight

    Hindsight Initiate (67) Oct 8, 2011 Ohio
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    Pretty sure this is what the kids call a boilermaker...
  40. ThirstyFace

    ThirstyFace Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 New York

    The latter. I can see how that wasn't entirely clear.
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