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Mega Micro Merger?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by 19etz55, Feb 3, 2013.

  1. woosterbill

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    Hill Farmstead and Cantillon. The trade scene would change dramatically overnight due to the massive collective coronary that tickers everywhere would undoubtedly suffer.
     
  2. rlcoffey

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    I didnt say it was a good thing, just that it has happened (and will happen going forward).
     
  3. MrDanno96

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    GI and AB/InBe.... Oh Wait :(
     
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    Sierra Nevada and dfh are collaborating in real life!
     
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    Founders will produce around 180,000 by the end of this year, and 320,000+ by 2015, surpassing Bell's.
     
  6. Bitterbill

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    Yeah, it happened but it didn't affect me much as I'm not a fan of either brewery but I still hope mergers are something my favourite brewers consider out of the question.
     
  7. hopfenunmaltz

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    Mark, Bells probably made close to 250K last year, and the brewery can crank out 800k, more tanks may be needed and they have the room for that with the land they own. I has been a while since I was at Founder to look around the area, but they eventually will be land locked, or will have to purchase new property.

    Just saying that Bells is not standing still.
     
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  8. MarcatGSB

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    Ahh yes, I forgot about the limitations they have NOW because of fermentation vessels, not by brew capacity. It sounds like they are expecting some huge vessels within the next year or so. Thanks for reminding me.
    Edit: Bell's that is.
     
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  9. hopfenunmaltz

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    Founders has 30 and 50 bbl brewhouse.
    Bells has 50 and 200 bbl at Galesburg, and also still has the 15 bbls system at the cafe. Bells owns the land to the west of the Galesburg brewery up to the next building, which is their offices. One of the guys at the open house said they can keep adding tanks for a long time.

    Edit - Founders growth has been impressive. I think only second to Ninkasi as far as growth rate.
     
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    Talked to someone that mentioned Bell's is looking at installing some 400 bbl and down the road 800 bbl fermentors. That's incredible, if true.
     
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    Founders, Maine Brewing, and Capital.

    That way you could have Breakfast Stout, Lunch IPA, and Supper Club Lager all in the same mix pack.
     
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    They had a lot of 400s at the Galesburg site. When they built the new brewhouse they put in 14 new 400s with a shallow bottom cone, and they dry hop beers like 2 hearted in these. 800s would be a new size for Bells, but Sierra Nevada has about 50 of those in Chico for reference.

    Edit - going bigger on tanks is really cost effective. Same engineering and same number of parts, you just buy more stainless.
     
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    Good choices. Unfortunately Goose Island was bought out by AB (Anheuser-Busch) InBEV.
     
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    The last one I hope doesn't work in that Goose Island was bought out by AB InBev (Anheuser-Busch) which is the anti-microbeer company. It's the GIANT that I believe wants to buy up every brewery they can. Especially micros. They might be afraid that the micro-breweries might cut into their share of the U. S. beer market which is I believe at 39%! Check out article.
    http://www.motherjones.com/tom-philpott/2013/02/doj-big-beer-were-cutting-you
     
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    Great Lakes & Southern Tier
     
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    Just thinking what happened when Youngs merged with Charles Wells.It didn't take long for the two brewers to "rationalise" their products; no point in brewing two beers in the same category is there?The result was a loss of many rather nice beers.
     
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    Any mix of Hill Farmstead, Russian River, Three Floyd's
     
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    ^^
    Both very interesting ideas.
     
  21. 2beerdogs

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    I'm thinking Stone with the Bruery. You get the strong IPA/APA traditions of Stone, as well as well priced RIS, coupled with massive production and distribution. And from the Bruery, so much more of the Belgian traditions, as well as off-centered creativity, and let's not forget Black Tuesday & Chocolate Rain more readily available.:D
     
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    Or even a douche? ;)
     
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    Jester King and Hills Farmstead.
     
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    Oh we definitely need another brewery that makes those beers.
     
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    The last one was thrown out in jest. GI is ABInbev and New Glarus seems to be very anti macro, so I paired them :)

    Cigar City & Odell (Both regional powerhouses)
    Hills Farmstead (Quality) & Lagunitas (Distribution & Price)
    AleSmith (Quality) & Sierra Nevada (Distribution)
    Russian River (PtY) & Thunderhead (Local to me)
    New Glarus & Goose Island (Opposites attract right?)
     
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    I guess it depends on how you want to define "powerhouse" or "regional", but I would think Sweetwater is more the powerhouse of that region.
     
  27. TomClem

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    Then you should have suggested a Sweetwater / Odell pairing :)
     
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    There is a winner and a loser in most mergers. The flights of internet fantasy would have many of the favorite beers vanish when the brewer leaves when he no longer has a say, and the product line is rationalized.

    When New Albion went under, Jack McAuliffe went to Mendicino brewing to brew on his old equipment. He did not last long as he said he was used to being the Captain, not a deck hand.

    Remember that consolidation is what got the beer industry in the US to the current state of the BMCs. Enjoy the diversity while we have it.
     
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    That would be interesting. They're both San Diego, CA companies that produce IPAs that I really enjoy. I don't live or work there, but I wonder how those companies feel about each other.
     
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    Gotcha!
     
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    Imagine the monstrosity of a Dogfish Head/Rogue merger.

    Try this 120 Minute Butt Yeast Circumcised Whale IPA!
     
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    Two of my favs!
     
  33. beertunes

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    As long as the resultant brewery is located in North Dakota, it doesn't matter to me.
     
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