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Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by marquis, Jan 12, 2013.
Do you ever remember seeing this canned beer?
I had it sometime in the 90s. It wasn't very good.
Yes it was at Point. I guess it depends on what one considers a "brewery". When I looked at OB's site they said "2002 Oskar Blues becomes the first US craft brewery to can its own beer with our flagship Dale's Pale Ale"
Chief Oshkosh Red Lager was Mid-Coast's beer, designed by Jeff Fulbright while at Seibel and then brewed at Point with the brew master there, John Zappa - just so happens he didn't own the canning line or building.
Is the brewery the building or the company/people? I leave that for the reader to decide.
I, personally, don't care much if a brewery, as the company, contract brews their beers so long as they don't tout certain things in their advertising. "We're the only brewery at the start of the Brule River, fresh from Lake Superior, our water is the purest around" and then to find them contract brewing with tap water from/in Detroit or something. That bothers me.
If I jump the Grand Canyon on a rented motorcycle - I still jumped the Grand Canyon and I doubt people would be as impressed with guy #2 doing it but holding up the pink slip and saying it's different because he owns that Kawasaki.
Contract or not - I've not found a craft brewery putting it into cans before Mid-Coast but I admit, I'm really just starting to get into the history of different breweries. I've found this part of the hobby/lifestyle VERY fascinating. Regional breweries of the old days are amazing.
Nah, never saw it but I remember hearing about it. That one was a Heileman/Blitz Weinhard-brewed product, right?
The info I'm finding online is very limited. This site says "contract brewed by many across the country" which fits into your educated guess.
Something about this beer reminds me of the movie wayne's world
Sam Adams and Sierra Nevada...many peoples first step toward craft and specialty beers.
It's so cool that we can condense 6000 years of brewing into a top 20 list(cue eye roll).
Shout out to Anchor Steam! Maybe not the most influential "Beer" but the brewery sure did a hell of a job for the American Micro seen!
My vote would be for Budweiser. If there wasn't "standard crap" there would be no need for the craft beer movement.
The most influential beers are the ones where the taste of it influence's you to have another.
Didn't Ruination jump start that style?
Do some of you BA's even know how to read?
Bell's Two Hearted Ale, Victory Storm King, Troegs Nugget Nectar were my first real craft beers. However, Mackeson's, Fuller's ESB and Guiness were my gateway beers.
Yes I think Courage belongs as well. I also think Guinness could certainly be added, because of the effect it has had especially on the BMC crowd. Everyone I know who wants to point out something different than fizzy yellow lager mentions guinness. I'm sure it has been the gateway beer for thousands of craft beer drinkers.
Apparently not. The thread now has nothing to do with history or broad influence world-wide, it has degraded into "the beer that got my buddy and me into the American craft scene". It always goes this way. There is nothing worth noting other than the last 20 years of a single country's explorations.
With everyone here talking about Such-n-Such Brewery kicking off "craft beer" in America please remember those styles were just "beer" in Europe for many years and still are.
Great list. I'm sure we might all have items we might tweak, but I can't really argue with anything on there.
Actually, it was Vinny's Inaugural Ale at Blind Pig Brewing (now known as Blind Pig IPA) that is regarded as the first double IPA.
The first barrel aged beer.
As Ron said "It's there, just under a different name: Barclay Perkins Russian Imperial Stout." I was pleased to read that.
Were there any aggressively hoppy pale wheats before Gumballhead?
Would have to agree with you. I'm sure many of us Ballantine IPA drinkers from back in the day maintain a good amount of sentimentality relative to this brew. There are a LOT of great American IPA's available to us today; but back in the 60's and early 70's I think one would be hard pressed to find a better, more authentic IPA nationwide. Because of its widespread availability in the NY/NJ metro area at about $2.00/sixer I suppose to some degree we took it for granted. So neat that you still have a few bottles saved. I would just love to have this world-class IPA available again!!
My Top 20
Bass No. 1 Barley Wine
Benskins Colne Spring Ale (Pre-Ind Coope) (for the heavy Brettanomyces)
Barclay Perkins Russian Imperial Stout (1871-1955)
Thomas Hardy Ale (1968-1999)
Hürlimann Samichlaus Bier (1980-1997)
Rodenbach Grand Cru
Gales Prize Old Ale (Pre-2006)
La Becasse Kreik Lambic
Dubuisson Bush Beer Strong Ale
Goose Island Bourbon County (Pre-InBev)
Anheuser Busch Budweiser
Reichelbrau Kulminator EKU 28 (Pre-1980)
Chimay Speciale or Grand Reserve (1949-Present)
Sierra Nevada Pale Ale
Russian River Pliny the Elder
Guinness Extra Stout
Samuel Adams Boston Lager
Paulaner Salvator Doppelbock
Augustiner Bräu Lagerbier Helles
Nice to see Fuller's ESB get some credit.
The first beer that jumped out at me when I read this thread title was... Lowenbrau. Why? I remember in the 70's, there was a real big commercial push with tv advertising to get a lot of traction for this beer. Part of the AB family (at least then I think), it was thinking outside the box and trying to market something "different". Back then, this was a pretty big departure from your run of the mill Bud and Miller beers. It was different, it was out there. new beer? No, but relatively new to the common beer drinking man/woman in America, and they were pushing a different angle.
Sorry beer nerds but the introduction of miller lite has changed the beer world far more than your PtY or BCBS.
Lowenbrau only became part of the "AB family" in 2007, when InBev bought AB - Interbrew had purchased the Spaten-Löwenbräu-Gruppe in 2003. In the 1970s, when the big ad push you are talking about started, Lowenbrau signed a contract with Miller Brewing Co. to brew a beer called Lowenbrau (also a Lowenbrau Dark) in the US for the US market. By all accounts, including statements by Lowenbrau, it was a totally different beer as the German import that had been exported to the US for decades. It had a shorter lagering time and was adjunct brewed and forced carbed, for a few notable examples. That license lasted in the US into the late 1990s (it even saw the creation of 40 oz. bottles of Lowenbrau Malt Liquor ).
If you're talking about influence? Definitely the popularizer. I think most DIPA brewers would point to Pliny as the influence for the style (Calagione does in his book for one example). Further, unless Vinnie Cilurzo was aware of those beers, I think you'd have a tough time arguing that the influence he exerted should go back one step to them. Those English beers are impressive in how far ahead they were of their time, but they weren't influential if they didn't influence anyone.
Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, Anchor Steam, and Sam Adams in my opinion were the first accesible craft beers. Not to say that there wasn't craft beer or even better beer before that, but these three broke the glass ceiling so to speak.
But craft beer as generally understood is only a sideshow in the world of beer.It makes a lot of noise but perhaps accounts for 1% of overall output unless you include the traditional European breweries as craft.Of course we can hope that what's happening now will lead to game changers so watch this place.