My plan for SF/Sonoma/Napa

Discussion in 'Pacific' started by TambaTime, May 26, 2015.

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  1. AlexM

    AlexM Pooh-Bah (1,868) Jun 9, 2011 California
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    Mikkeller Bar SF also has a really cool t-shirt design ... make sure you order food there, really awesome stuff ... love their Reuben ... the mac and cheese is solid ... bratwurst is pretty damn tasty too. Damn, miss that place already!
     
  2. clayfu

    clayfu Initiate (0) Apr 27, 2010 California

    Pride mountain vineyards has amazing views, appointment needs to be made in advance. Really well done cabs if you prefer bigger, forward, tannic cabs. Alpha Omega on the main strip is nice too, beautiful outdoor sitting area for tastings. I'd much rather go to Mondavi than many of the other wineries you listed, historical and well educated tours if you contact them ahead of time. Also their wines have so much history. If you do a tour with the to kalon/reserve society you get to taste a lot of their older reserve wines that are some of the best expressions of Cabernet purity in California (old school guard style). It's also close to yountville where you are having dinner.

    If you like pinots you'll probably want to stop in Healdsburg, it's about 15 minutes north of Santa Rosa. Lots of great pinot producers there. Copain (great view) & William Selyem are great pinot makers. They make wine in the more restrained, high acid, low alcohol style.
     
  3. clayfu

    clayfu Initiate (0) Apr 27, 2010 California

    rare barrel: Does it have fruit? yes? drink it :wink:
     
  4. spark3148857

    spark3148857 Pooh-Bah (1,595) Dec 4, 2010 Ohio
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    Just a quick aside on that...Cellarmaker will NOT fill a 32oz growler. Tried to get my Boneyard 32oz filled and they refused. They will fill 750s, 1L, and 64oz. @TambaTime they tapped Coffee and Cigarettes last week so there's a decent chance it will make it for 3 weeks or so...maybe a little longer. And AlexM is right. Everything Cellarmaker makes is worth trying.
     
  5. AlexM

    AlexM Pooh-Bah (1,868) Jun 9, 2011 California
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    shit sorry - my bad ... I keep thinking 1L and 32oz are the same :slight_smile:
     
  6. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    No disrespect Bob, but "silverado" in Calistoga. Really? :-)

    Silverado Vineyards is located on the Silverado trail, down in Napa. Sterling, I assume, is the winery you're referring to in Calistoga. I agree with your assessment of the wines, the ride and the view. :-)

    And at the risk of sounding like a complete snob, Schramsberg makes sparkling wine, not champagne (because they aren't located in Epernay, Reims, Ay, etc.).

    As for wineries, if those are the places the OP wants to visit, then by all means go there. Other places you might want to consider, if only because they're a lot shorter drive from Santa Rosa, would be Silver Oak (the one up in the Alexander Valley, as opposed to the original outpost off of Oakville crossing), Sbragia (Ed Sbragia used to be the winemaker at Beringer, back when they were getting all their ink for top cabs and chards), Ridge (great tours and great wine - spend a few extra bucks and go on the estate or century tour) and Ferrari-Carano (again, spend the extra money to do the reserve tasting down stairs). Down farther in Napa, I would consider Silver Oak Napa, Robert Biale, Freemark Abbey, Saddleback Cellars and even Robert Mondavi (go to the reserve tasting room, if you have any interest in seeing what older, aged cabs can taste like). If you have a craving for good pinot, I would recommend making a reservation at Saintsbury, or just stopping by Etude. A lot of these places do require an appointment or reservation, so check their website and plan accordingly.

    After dinner at Bouchon, I'm not sure you'll be good for much else, but if you feel the need for a last beer, consider dropping by Billco's Billiard Parlor in Napa. Oxbow market would be a good choice as well, but will be long since closed I believe by the time you're done with dinner.

    Have fun!
     
  7. VegasHopHead

    VegasHopHead Initiate (0) Jun 21, 2012 Nevada

    easting breakfast in sausalito requires a stop at Fred's place
     
  8. theconductor

    theconductor Zealot (739) Nov 4, 2008 California

    California has won the right through litigation to call their sparkling wine "California Champagne." This took place at least a year ago. Maybe two.
     
  9. VegasHopHead

    VegasHopHead Initiate (0) Jun 21, 2012 Nevada

    Yet they still dont. Not even at the Winery itself. They still call it sparkling wine.
     
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  10. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    Exactly. Actually, "lesser" wineries such as Cooks and Andre have referred to their sparkling plonk as champagne for years. Legally, I realize they're allowed to do that, but better wineries have always refused to use the name, and instead refer to their wine as "sparkling wine made in the Méthode Champenoise manner."

    IMHO, it's akin to wineries that still refer to their low end table wine blends as burgundy and chablis. Legally, they're allowed to do it, but why would you?

    Anyway, Schramsberg is not Cooks or Andre, and they do not refer to their wine as champagne.
     
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  11. VegasHopHead

    VegasHopHead Initiate (0) Jun 21, 2012 Nevada

    A man that knows his wine. Nice! Love me some J Schram!
     
  12. TambaTime

    TambaTime Initiate (0) Jan 6, 2015 Pennsylvania

    Good stuff all around, guys. Thanks.
     
  13. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    A bit rich for my blood (it's the same with la reve over at Domaine Caneros). A nice wine, I completely agree, but when I'm paying that much for bubbly, I want the real thing.

    That being said, this is beer advocate after all, so I'll refrain from commenting further. Hopefully, this thread will help the OP with his upcoming trip. Cheers!
     
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  14. nolan_likes_wine

    nolan_likes_wine Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2015 California

    A few bits of info for Napa...

    By law, most wineries require an appointment for tastings. They may be nice if you walk in but it's bad form and you're putting workers out who had their day planned.

    Avoid Billco's unless you're a white male. And if you're a white male who has standards, avoid Billco's. Go to Cadet instead. You can try Downtown Joe's but it's not a crowd I connect with.

    And there are signs up, but the bridge over Napa River on Oakville Cross is closed. We had a minor earthquake last week and they closed the bridge (locals have differing opinions on whether the earthquake actually damaged the bridge or not).

    Feel free to BM me, I work at 3 wineries right now (2 in Napa, 1 in Sonoma) and can definitely suggest some wineries or set up something for one of the places I work.
     
  15. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    ??? Why's that? I've gone several times and never had a problem. They have a pretty extensive tap list, with a wide range of options. I much prefer it to Downtown Joe's (I'm with you on the crowd there), but confess I've never been to Cadet (which I'll now be sure to check out next time I'm in town).

    "By law, most wineries require an appointment for tastings. They may be nice if you walk in but it's bad form and you're putting workers out who had their day planned."

    This is news to me as well. Are you sure this is an accurate statement? Granted, most places in Napa now charge a tasting fee, but I can think of any number of places that accept walk in guests (since when did Silver Oak start requiring an appointment?). For instace, here's a quote from the Etude website:

    "We invite you to visit us to taste and discover your new favorite wine. Walk-ins are welcome for parties of 4 or less guests. For groups of 5 or more please call 707-257-5300 for availability and reservations."

    Here's a quote from Heitz:

    "We are open daily from 11:00 a.m. – 4:30 p.m. No appointment is necessary.
    We are closed on Easter, 4th of July, Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's Day."


    Would you care to explain?
     
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  16. nolan_likes_wine

    nolan_likes_wine Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2015 California

    In the '90s, I forget specifically which year, a law was passed and defined a winery as an agricultural business whose primary role is producing wine, not catering to tourists. For wineries that had tasting rooms open before a set date they were grandfathered in and allowed to accept visitors via walk-ins. There are plenty of tasting rooms like this: Heitz, Robert Sinskey, Sterling, BV, Mondavi, Stag's/Stags' Leap and plenty of tasting parlors in the downtown areas of Calistoga, St Helena, Yountville and Napa you can walk in to.

    Since there were a ton of wineries established after said date, these wineries are required to allow visitors by appointment only. As I said, many wineries will let you walk in but they create an appointment on the spot to circumvent breaking the law Many wineries accept day-of appointments if you call in the morning (or even if you call from the parking lot). At the winery where I work hospitality we very rarely turn away walk-ins if we can at all accommodate them, but if you walk in at 3PM on a Saturday we might ask if you can make an appointment for the following day. We are also much more than a counter that you stand at and taste 2/3 wines, we have one tour/tasting option and it takes about an hour with much of the experience being seated comparing several vintages of a Cabernet Sauvignon.

    I think I covered most of the points...let me know if anything is unclear. I can probably dig up links to the laws I'm referencing later.

    As far as Billco's, the more I went there and the more I met people who used to go there it became apparent that the owner and bartenders prefer a very specific color of customer.
     
  17. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    I appreciate the clarification, but would point out that this seems to contradict what you said originally ("By law, most wineries require an appointment for tastings"). In other words (and just so the OP is aware of this), there are any number of wineries along the Hiway 29/Silverado trail corridor that have no problem with walk-in patrons. I would also add, that based on my experience, there are a number of wineries that, although established prior to the 90's, still require an appointment in order to taste (Chappellett, for example). So to be on the safe side, I would recommend that the OP check the website of any winery he intends to visit.

    As for Billco's, I would defer to your recommendation. I haven't personally experienced the type of behavior you reference, but I've only visited the place 3 or 4 times, and it's not something I would likely have noticed.
     
  18. nolan_likes_wine

    nolan_likes_wine Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2015 California

    I said most, not all, and yes although many wineries welcome walk ins some still by law require an appointment (whether or not you know they may have set up an appointment for you on the spot), and these wineries would still prefer you call in advance. And yes, some older wineries will require appointments per their hospitality policies.

    Just because you can name 20 wineries that allow walk ins doesn't mean all 500+ wineries in Napa allow walk ins.

    The OP mentions Failla, who has a pretty strict appointment policy, which is why I brought it up. Not many people know of this law and it can save some headaches if one plans in advance.
     
  19. clayfu

    clayfu Initiate (0) Apr 27, 2010 California

    Any good winery will require an appointment anyways :wink:
     
  20. danscott

    danscott Initiate (0) Jul 15, 2006 California

    I don't even know where to begin, so here's a couple of basics.

    In Napa, do not miss Praeger Portworks and Winery. Mostly port but they usually have a straight wine or two. Incredible California ports and some of my favorite people in the valley.

    If could do wine tasting only in one spot, it would be Healdsburg, no question. My good buddy Dave owns Russian River Wine Company in Healdsburg. He has excellent taste and very reasonable prices. Buy some wine, chat him up and you will likely get some special love somewhere.
     
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