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Needed: List of Fake Craft Brews

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by GaryGreen, Jan 3, 2013.

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  1. HipsterBrewfus

    HipsterBrewfus Jun 3, 2012 Maryland

    Seems pretty black and white to you, huh? I'm curious how many products you have purchased and use daily that would be subject to your narrow line of thinking.
     
  2. Levitation

    Levitation Aug 7, 2009 California

    HITLER DIDN'T SEND ANY EXTRAS
     
  3. HipsterBrewfus

    HipsterBrewfus Jun 3, 2012 Maryland

    I'm waiting for the InBev/Nazi comparisons.
     
  4. SammyJaxxxx

    SammyJaxxxx Feb 23, 2012 New Jersey
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    I would hope they would be in business to make money.
    If they aren't, they are pretty foolish for sssspending all that time and money and taking such a big risk.
    I don't believe that making money is evil. I go to work everyday to make money.
    I have a duty to my family and my employees to make money.
    Thay duty doesn't trump my responsibility to act morally.
     
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  5. HipsterBrewfus

    HipsterBrewfus Jun 3, 2012 Maryland

    Seriously though, who WOULDN'T want to try Taliban Severed Head Stout. Just to say you did.
     
  6. juankzas

    juankzas Jun 13, 2008 Mexico

    In México, Grupo Modelo has launched a new brand called Ideal with two pseudo craft beers
     
  7. Providence

    Providence Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island

    Look a little further at the Taliban argument. I can't speak for SammyJax, but I think he's trying to show that everyone, even those who are so passionate that it's the taste of the beer in the bottle that matters more than anything else, have their limits on what they will tolerate from a brewery. I have drawn similar comparisons, not because I think aggresive marketing means you are the Taliban (as someone suggested above) but to show that we all have our limits.
     
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  8. HipsterBrewfus

    HipsterBrewfus Jun 3, 2012 Maryland

    Dude, its just beer, You're not doing anything charitable, life saving, or world changing. You're buying a fucking 6 pack. Relax.
     
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  9. SammyJaxxxx

    SammyJaxxxx Feb 23, 2012 New Jersey
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    Very Funny
     
  10. evilc

    evilc Jan 27, 2012 California

    Craft breweries don't operate morally either. For example, to get a single 4 pack of Silva Stout, Green Flash wants $60 to go to a stupid event with worthless food I don't want. Should I boycott them? At least I can buy a 6 pack of Bud Lite Platinum without attending an event.
     
  11. HipsterBrewfus

    HipsterBrewfus Jun 3, 2012 Maryland

    Too late, this thread has been hijacked into "Beer morality"
     
  12. Providence

    Providence Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island

    It's not black and white, it's complex. As I mentioned earlier in this thread: There is much to be said about the proces of learning of business practices, the time involved, and the response. For example, I bought an Apple lap top four years ago. I did not know of any negative business practices then. I am becoming more aware of them now, although I have not researched it throughly myself yet. When I do, and if it seems like indeed their behavior does not fit with my value system, while I'd like to say I am going to throw my lap top out the window and buy a new one, I don't have the money for that. This is a complex issue and it is a constant struggle. I truly do try my very best to not support business that do things that I think to be wrong. I know I am far from perfect and I know I still have many adjustments to make. But this is a process that I believe there is a lot of value to. It shouldn't be simply overlooked or disregarded.
     
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  13. Providence

    Providence Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island

    What if your life is based on doing charitable and world changing things? Wouldn't it make sense that you would look at your beer purchasing through that lens?
     
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  14. HipsterBrewfus

    HipsterBrewfus Jun 3, 2012 Maryland

    More power to you, I guess
     
  15. evilc

    evilc Jan 27, 2012 California

    Wait - now you're changing the world by not buying BCBS?
     
  16. SammyJaxxxx

    SammyJaxxxx Feb 23, 2012 New Jersey
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    It is black and white that there is a moral component.
    Most of the time the moral issue is some shade of gray.

    I have to buy gasoline. It is pretty hard to do that without supporting some corporation that is pretty horrible.
    However, I need to get to drive to work etc.

    I will tell you that I think about what I am purchasing and where I am purchasing it every day.
     
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  17. HipsterBrewfus

    HipsterBrewfus Jun 3, 2012 Maryland

    But it's not. So I put that energy into more useful things, instead of what beer I'm buying.
     
  18. Providence

    Providence Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island

    Hardly. But it's part of a larger pattern of behaviors.
     
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  19. Providence

    Providence Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island

    Ha ha, yeah, but mine is about that. So you see, that's why I look at it through that lens.
     
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  20. evilc

    evilc Jan 27, 2012 California

    You sound like a load of fun :)
     
  21. leedorham

    leedorham Apr 27, 2006 Washington

    Every purchase you make shifts the direction of beer culture a little.
     
  22. MontereyBay831

    MontereyBay831 Dec 15, 2012 California
    Beer Trader

    This thread is what makes the "craft" beer world and the "hipster" world so close. Who cares if the brewery is "mainstream", just because its not made In a micro brewery doesn't mean it's not a good tasty beer.
     
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  23. Uwftke26

    Uwftke26 Dec 18, 2008 North Carolina

    This post is a fantastic way to make sure everyone knows you don't understand the issues here.
     
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  24. HipsterBrewfus

    HipsterBrewfus Jun 3, 2012 Maryland

    Must make grocery shopping an all day event.
     
  25. evilc

    evilc Jan 27, 2012 California

    I understand the non issue just fine thank you =)
     
  26. evilc

    evilc Jan 27, 2012 California

    Can you imagine that? He could just go the farmers market to make it a bit easier though if there is one in his city.
     
  27. Providence

    Providence Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island

    Well, I didn't say the morally bankrupt line, that was Sammy. Although in his explanation of why he said that I think he did a solid job of persenting why a person who buys items without any care whatsoever of where or how they are produced does have some questionable morals (again, the Taliban BBA Stout example, ha ha). But to answer your other point....the difference between the BMC behaviors and the behaviors of a huge oil company is we, as consumers, are more in control. So we can take issue with BMC, especially at a place dedicted to dicsussing beer related issues. I'd love to buy gas from the small mom and pop oil producer, but it doesn't exist.
     
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  28. SammyJaxxxx

    SammyJaxxxx Feb 23, 2012 New Jersey
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    Why not spend a week thinking about what you are buying and where you are buying it.
    Try and buy American.
    Think about the ramifications of shopping at Walmart and Home Depot instead of your local stores.
    Think about using your local merchants instead of national chain stores.
    Maybe you will decide that some battles are worth fighting.
     
  29. jhartley

    jhartley Aug 22, 2010 Florida
    Beer Trader

    You could really go so much further with this...where the ink on the labels is manufactured, how the bauxite for the aluminum is mined and by who, etc.
     
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  30. Uwftke26

    Uwftke26 Dec 18, 2008 North Carolina

    I wonder why people think A-B acquired GI instead of, say, Stone or Dogfish. I've never heard GI mentioned as a brand with top of the line beers across their lineup, but they were the biggest, most popular brand available. And A-B distributors have conformed to me that it is a tool to attack their biggest weakness: popular local beers on draft.
     
  31. leedorham

    leedorham Apr 27, 2006 Washington

    Actually, it sort of does.

    http://www.frybrid.com/
     
  32. HopHead84

    HopHead84 Nov 29, 2006 California
    Beer Trader

    Are LLPs and LLCs okay with you? Also, are you comfortable drinking craft beer from an S corporation or is that also a bad corporation? I assume 101 shareholders would be abhorrent to you so that rules out C corporations.
     
  33. Uwftke26

    Uwftke26 Dec 18, 2008 North Carolina

    Your smiley face indicates otherwise.

    Read my post again, if you'd care to have an actual conversation. It's a hell of a lot more complicated then a reactionary, reductionist "All corporations are evil!"
     
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  34. Providence

    Providence Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island

    Completely agree! Which is why this is such a difficult and complex issue that, to me, is worth looking into and being mindful of.
     
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  35. Uwftke26

    Uwftke26 Dec 18, 2008 North Carolina

    It's business practice, not sheer size. I happily buy, New Belgium, Sam Adams, Stone etc.
     
  36. SammyJaxxxx

    SammyJaxxxx Feb 23, 2012 New Jersey
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    Farmers market-most of those guys are posers.
    Go right to the farm
     
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  37. evilc

    evilc Jan 27, 2012 California

    "buy American" HAH! There is no such thing anymore. Check a Ford monroney sticker.

    Local merchants generally have prices 1.5x higher. No thanks. Hmm - BR Racer X for $10.99 at dirtbag local bottleshop or $6.99 at BevMo. National chain it is - giving me value.

    BevMo also employs 20 people at my local store, the bottleshop employs 2 and the owner rolls a BMW 750. Seems "local merchants" aren't exactly different from corporations.
     
  38. juankzas

    juankzas Jun 13, 2008 Mexico

    Only read the first post, shame on me!!
     
  39. Providence

    Providence Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island

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  40. Brokentalontsi

    Brokentalontsi Nov 10, 2012 Texas

    I'm still unsure what these so called corrupt business practices are that ABI undertake to push everyone else out of the market. We have seen an explosion of craft options in the area I live over the past 4 years, with the ABI distributor I work for bringing many of said brands to the area. Taking taps from competition and securing display and shelf space isn't evil, it's competition. I go into accounts just like the MC guy as well as every other beer salesman and brewery rep with the intent to get more distribution and sales for my brands, just like everyone else. I don't even bring a weapon, I usually just offer suggestions.

    Say I walk into a bar with bud, bud light, miller lite, coors lite, and a couple of non trash options. First thing I recommend is diversifying the options by keeping one or two American lagers and swapping the rest out for higher margin craft or import beers. Usually with a bit of explanation we can make some headway, maybe get some local craft on line or a larger brand, a la Sierra Nevada.

    Beer salesmen aren't monsters or anything, generally just regular guys that got stuck working here because it pays well and it's reasonably interesting from time to time.
     
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