Needed: List of Fake Craft Brews

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by GaryGreen, Jan 3, 2013.

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  1. SammyJaxxxx

    SammyJaxxxx Feb 23, 2012 New Jersey
    Subscriber Beer Trader

    No one here said corporations, (regardless of the corporate structure) are evil.
    I am sure that every brewery out there is some form of coroporation.

    It is a business practice not size or legal status.
     
  2. TrinidadJ

    TrinidadJ Nov 30, 2012 Trinidad & Tobago

    Bourbon County and Variants, Matilda, Juliet, Madam Rose, Night Stalker, Big John, Fluer, ect ect
     
  3. HipsterBrewfus

    HipsterBrewfus Jun 3, 2012 Maryland

    My time and money are far more important.
     
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  4. evilc

    evilc Jan 27, 2012 California


    Wait what? You mean you try and displace other brands with your own??Q@! How evil and morally bankrupt!!!
     
  5. Providence

    Providence Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island

    Price certainly does come into play here. I am fortunate enough to look at options when buying items. For example, a family not doing well may have no choise but to buy a $1 Big Mac because of the price, while I have the luxury to find the locally sourced beef, bread and cheese to cook my own burger. That's most definitely an issue worth acknowledging. But all beer is a luxury item, and anyone that buys it has disposable income to do so. As such, I believe more thorough attention can be paid.
     
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  6. HopHead84

    HopHead84 Nov 29, 2006 California
    Beer Trader

    The OP was pretty clear

     
  7. jesskidden

    jesskidden Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Those three breweries are all about the same size - 125-150,000 bbl. a year. AB had a relationship with GI and they owned part of it already through their 1/3 ownership of CBA and CBA owned 40% of GI. Additionally, AB distributed GI through their agreement with CBA. By buying GI, they also infused the oft-troubled CBA with cash for their 40% of GI.

    Another factor - GI's John Hall was apparently ready and willing to sell, Stone and DFH apparently aren't.
     
  8. SammyJaxxxx

    SammyJaxxxx Feb 23, 2012 New Jersey
    Subscriber Beer Trader

    BevMo employs 20 people at wages that someone cannot live on.

    The local bottle shop allows a family to live comfortably in the neighborhood.
    The local bottle shop conributes to the community.
    The local bottle shop probably pays its employees significantly more than BevMo.

    BevMo takes money from your neighborhood and sends it somwhere else.

    While your local place might be more expensive, I find it hard to believe that the prices are that much higher across the board.
     
  9. evilc

    evilc Jan 27, 2012 California

    I don't believe in the BS "living wage" argument. BevMo stockboy isn't a head of household position that should pay the guy enough to buy a house, a couple of cars, and retirement savings. It's an entry level position that he/she can work while attending college with roommates. If they can't live on the wages....how are they alive? /philosoraptor

    "The local bottle shop allows a family to live comfortably in the neighborhood."

    The owner doesn't live in the neighborhood.

    The local bottle shop conributes to the community.

    So does BevMo. It provides 20x the payroll to local employees living near it. What BevMo doesn't attract are low rent crackheads which the local shop does attract.

    The local bottle shop probably pays its employees significantly more than BevMo.

    Actually - you are wrong. It is just the owner and a lackey who looks like he makes $8/hr.

    BevMo takes money from your neighborhood and sends it somwhere else.

    So does the local bottleshop. BevMo at leasts returns part of those profits to the store employees who live nearby and spend at all the other nearby businesses. Local guy? Nope.
     
  10. Uwftke26

    Uwftke26 Dec 18, 2008 North Carolina

    Yes, and there are state laws to what's competition and what's illegal. The only people I see consistently ignoring them are the big guys, and as a consumer, having that info means I don't support them.
     
  11. Uwftke26

    Uwftke26 Dec 18, 2008 North Carolina

    Once again....ACROSS THEIR LINEUP
     
  12. SunDevilBeer

    SunDevilBeer May 9, 2003 Massachusetts

    Last time I checked "craft breweries " are not charitable enterprises. Therefore they are seeking your hard earned money in exchange for their wares. Why is it verboten to criticize the methods they take to obtain your money for said wares? You're fooling yourself if u think these small craft breweries aren't engaged in some sort of marketing...u kinda have to in order for your biz to survive.

    That said...isn't the ultimate FAIL of a business is to provide what the market desires? So why do breweries constantly get a pass from beer geeks in this most basic business tenet? & many of the ones who complain the loudest about this are the ones who complain about "marketing"...which is ironic because I can't remember the last time a Bud Lt drinker bitched about not being able to get his beer from the local store.
     
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  13. SammyJaxxxx

    SammyJaxxxx Feb 23, 2012 New Jersey
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    I explained it and then added a little hyperbole for illustrative purposes. I think my hyperbole was quite effective but that is just my opinion.

    "The position "Drink what tastes great-Period." is morally bankrupt.
    Not because they disagree with me, but because they are not acknowledging that there is a moral component ot every purchase.
    If the Taliban releases a BBA Stout that is phenomonal are you going to purchase it?"
     
  14. evilc

    evilc Jan 27, 2012 California

    Their IPA just won a GOLD MEDAL. DO CAPS WORK BETTER?
     
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  15. jhartley

    jhartley Aug 22, 2010 Florida
    Beer Trader

    Yeah it can make yer head spin, and believe me getting some of this information is next to impossible. I've been working in the flexible packaging industry for the last 20+ years and it's hard as hell to get information out of our vendors as to where they get their products to mfg. then ship to us.
    To me, what it all comes down to is the almighty dollar and it's about making more than the next guy, who is your competition, however without the other guy you may be out of business.
    Shit, now my head hurts.
     
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  16. BMitch

    BMitch Jul 10, 2012 Virginia
    Beer Trader

    Do you anti-InBev, morally-rich folks also make your own clothes and sneakers? Because if you don't, I can guarantee at least one article of clothing you are currently wearing was made by people working in terrible conditions at wages that someone cannot live on.

    Enough with these ridiculous double standards already. By all means do what you want, but don't thumb your nose at others like you're some kind of saint for not buying any AB-InBev products.
     
  17. evilc

    evilc Jan 27, 2012 California

    Such Holier than Thou attitudes. Good grief!

    I'd love to have these guys over at a tasting.

    "Would you like a pour of this BCBS Cherry Rye?"

    WHY NO. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MORALLY BANKRUPT YOU ARE FOR OWNING THAT AND EVEN WORSE, OFFERING IT TO ME???? HAVE AT THEE!!!


    PS: ISO Taliban BA Stout.
     
  18. SammyJaxxxx

    SammyJaxxxx Feb 23, 2012 New Jersey
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    Well if the shop doesn't support the community, you shouldn't support it.
     
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  19. evilc

    evilc Jan 27, 2012 California

    What's he supposed to do to be worthy of your business?
     
  20. Levitation

    Levitation Aug 7, 2009 California

    interesting. around here, in san diego county, the store that immediately pops to mind re: illegally reselling beers is a "mom and pop" operation (beverages 4 less). i would pretty much only expect that from small fry shops and not the big chains. i have no clear understanding why anyone thinks only the big boys do illegal things.
     
  21. evilc

    evilc Jan 27, 2012 California

    $15.99 for 1 bottle of BCBS isn't a good price? Did the evil corporate chain Binny's sell it for $64 a 4 pack? No? Only the glorious mom and pop?
     
  22. Uwftke26

    Uwftke26 Dec 18, 2008 North Carolina

    I work for a brewery and know what my company does. My clients (bars and restaurants) chat freely about who got what freebie from who.
     
  23. Levitation

    Levitation Aug 7, 2009 California

    that really doesn't address my point: small companies do illegal / unethical things, too.

    i'm actually on board with the concept of voting with your dollar and supporting practices you believe in. but i'm also aware that there's way too much lionizing of "small business = hero, big business = evil" going on.
     
  24. NoHipTee

    NoHipTee Dec 15, 2007 Washington

    Not picky enough to avoid a beer just because the brewer is owned by a guy how owns a guy who owes a guy. I say let each beer stand on its own merits, mega owner or not.
     
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  25. leedorham

    leedorham Apr 27, 2006 Washington

    If the beer is really all you care about, then you still have to look big picture. If the collective craft beer community chooses to say "sure I'll let ABInbev make all my beer as long as it's good" then they are, as a community, discouraging diversity in the world of beer, and nearly everything special about craft beer culture comes from diversity.
     
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  26. YogiBeer

    YogiBeer May 10, 2012 Illinois

    ISO Chibuku Opaque Beer
     
  27. mynie

    mynie Jun 22, 2004 Massachusetts
    Beer Trader

    FAKE CRAFT BREWERIES
    Hitler and Sons
    Four Floyds
    American Gladiator Brewing Featuring Nitro (not sure about the one with Blaze)
    Jembleton's
     
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  28. evilc

    evilc Jan 27, 2012 California

    Not all of us believe the sky is falling and that the evil empire is snuffing out all the craft breweries.
     
  29. brianthelion23

    brianthelion23 May 21, 2012 California

    Iso goose island while i enjoy my leffe and blue moon. I hear quality brew is only good if you have to search all over it and drop big cash in it. Rare beer always taste better.
     
  30. Brokentalontsi

    Brokentalontsi Nov 10, 2012 Texas

    Although this may sound like a rational line of reasoning, it's not necessarily true.

    First, the government is very happy to take away my money, prevent me from working, an taking away my companies money as well. All of those things make it wise to not do illegal things things in the market. You think the distributor I work for would like to hit down for 3 days because an employee went rogue and did something illegal? We sell over 100,000 cases of beer some days, whatever draft line or display you secured by giving something away isn't worth it.

    Secondly, and just from a business standpoint, it's not a good idea to routinely bribe people for their business. Creates a welfare system where people constantly want free pos, event tickets, trade spending, etc to do anything for you. Dare I say their are bars and retailers that put beer salesmen against one another in search of a freebie. Not good business for us to get involved in charity...
     
  31. leedorham

    leedorham Apr 27, 2006 Washington

    Nothing about falling skies in my post and I haven't once used the word "evil" in any of my responses. These are my points:

    1. Supporting many smaller breweries rather than one or two large ones (large craft included) encourages diversity in the industry. Diversity is good.
    2. Having many smaller breweries rather than a few large ones employs more people gallon for gallon brewed. This is better for everybody except those who seek extreme wealth. (I have nothing against wanting to be rich, but at some point amassing wealth at the expense of others becomes corrosive to society)
    3. Whether it is immediately apparent or not, your day to day beer purchasing decisions affect the direction our beer culture is headed in.

    That's all. If you can actually dispute any of those points rather than spouting a.m. radio nonsense, then go for it.
     
  32. Norica

    Norica Feb 2, 2006 Massachusetts

    Or by not drinking a Diageo owned Guiness while in Ireland...or does Diageo satisfy your moral compass?
     
  33. HipsterBrewfus

    HipsterBrewfus Jun 3, 2012 Maryland

    I wanna high five the shit out of you!
     
  34. Providence

    Providence Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island

    I do see what you're getting at.
     
  35. Providence

    Providence Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island

    Show me where I thumb my nose at anyone that drinks inbev.
     
  36. HipsterBrewfus

    HipsterBrewfus Jun 3, 2012 Maryland

    You are all terrible people
     
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  37. Providence

    Providence Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island

    Show me where I have looked down my nose at anyone that drinks inbev.
     
  38. Todd

    Todd Founder Aug 23, 1996 Colorado
    Staff Moderator Site Editor Fest Crew Subscriber

    The OP had a simple question. Few answered it. Everyone else failed; miserably. Let's move on to avoid more fails.
     
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