Negative Feedback for not sending extras to rude/insulting trader?

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  1. bauermj

    bauermj Initiate (0) May 4, 2009 Illinois

    Wow, experienced a first. I've got a lot of trades here and on other sites and I've never quite encountered someone so difficult.

    I agreed to a trade on Mon/Tues last week of primarily locals. Both ends required bottle purchases so on Wednesday I informed trade partner that we should target a Monday shipping since 15F/1F Wednesday & 11/-3F Thursday was in store. I don't ship if boxes have to sit in a truck over the weekend. I purchased said bottles over the weekend.

    Monday comes and Chicago experiences 6/-7F Mon, 4/-11F Tues, I suggest waiting to see how temperature shapes up. On Wednesday, the safest day yet, I check in to ask if he really wants me to ship in 20/16F and he chews me out 'Not sure what the problem is. I've been waiting for you for over a week....It's been nothing but excuses and bad communication...' (all this while he is still shopping for his end and asking me about acceptable freshness dates on some cans). A negative exchange continues, with the trader continuing to insult me.

    I end up shipping the agreed upon bottles, after I pull the one expensive extra that was able to fit because I've never encountered such hostility after a little over a week. Anyway, he made excuses as to why he couldn't ship yet, so I told him to not send extras and to send as soon as he could as long as it avoided a weekend truck stay.
    The bottles I sent arrive, he gives me negative feedback because I sent the agreed upon trade but no extras. I still don't have a tracking number from him.

    cliffs: Freezing temps in Chicago. Trade partner gets pissed I suggest delaying shipment. I send agreed upon bottles anyway, tell him no extras. He STILL hasn't shipped and gave me negative feedback even though I came through.
     
  2. bauermj

    bauermj Initiate (0) May 4, 2009 Illinois

  3. core42

    core42 Pooh-Bah (1,754) May 5, 2010 Michigan
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Extras are extras, not a required part of the trade.
    Anyone trading with someone in the midwest & northeast need to understand that if they don't want trades delayed by the weather should wait until spring or find someone in a warmer location to trade with during winter. I've had to delay almost every trade I've made in the last 2+ months due to weather & haven't encountered anyone that has been negative about it
     
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  4. jrnyc

    jrnyc Pooh-Bah (2,916) Mar 21, 2010 New York
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    Wow, that is some story.
     
  5. jrnyc

    jrnyc Pooh-Bah (2,916) Mar 21, 2010 New York
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Two sides to every story, but guy seems like a real dbag. He got his beer, even if he wasn't happy still should be a green trade feedback on you.
     
  6. Sonofalime

    Sonofalime Initiate (0) Oct 11, 2010 Virginia

    Never experienced something like that. What a joke this guy is. And your still waiting for your box? Sorry for the bad luck man. Some people are just A-holes.
     
  7. mattafett

    mattafett Initiate (0) Mar 9, 2009 Iowa

    Why go through with the trade if you had bad feelz and nobody shipped? No harm in backing out.
     
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  8. bauermj

    bauermj Initiate (0) May 4, 2009 Illinois

    I definitely thought about it. Had spent $40-$50 on stuff I didnt want to drink. No returns to the store I went to, plus it was already boxed up.
     
  9. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Pooh-Bah (2,153) Mar 17, 2009 Massachusetts
    Pooh-Bah

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA what a tool bag
     
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  10. nesarebad

    nesarebad Pooh-Bah (1,742) Feb 4, 2012 Massachusetts
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Unfortunately, I am not surprised by the behavior of this one.
     
  11. pjl44

    pjl44 Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2008 Massachusetts
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    If these details are on point, that is ridiculous. And I would tend to believe they are as I have traded with @bauermj and would happily do so over and over.
     
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  12. jermy

    jermy Initiate (0) Mar 30, 2013 Illinois
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    wow what a complete ass. i had multiple trades set up last week and each person was ok waiting until the weather was better -- sucks to have someone think you are kidding when we had high temps in single digits sun-tues
     
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  13. pjl44

    pjl44 Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2008 Massachusetts
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    Yeah, for the record I also have two trades from the midwest I've been sitting on waiting for things to warm up. That's how reasonable people operate.
     
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  14. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,083) Mar 12, 2009 New York
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Writing name on no trade list, telling all my friends
     
  15. scotv

    scotv Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2013 New York

    BA Mods should read this and remove the negative feedback.
     
  16. mythaeus

    mythaeus Initiate (0) Jul 22, 2013 Pennsylvania
    Trader

    As much as it pains me to see a good BA getting the shitty end of the deal, I don't know if the mods should get involved. The fact is that the other trader felt that it was a negative experience for him, as unreasonable as it was, it should be reflected. Other BAs will have a chance to review his petty trade comment, behavior, and expecation and be warned to stay away from him by his own words. Removing the negative will put other traders in the same situation in the future.

    What may be helpful is to have a way for negative reviews to be rebutted (...I hate citing eBay again, but that's how they do it).
     
  17. ShanePB

    ShanePB Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2010 Pennsylvania

    Well, guess who just made everyone's personal Do Not Trade With list?

    OP - take this opportunity to leave him and his 3 trades with some negative feedback. Hopefully this thread stays up.
     
  18. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,083) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    OP he hasn't sent yet? He sounds like he needs another thread about him, warning us about him receiving his end and not sending. "Possible Bad Trader" sounds like a good subject.

    Don't name him, and offer him to have the post removed if he removes your bad feedback, and name him if he doesn't.
     
  19. Beeryurt

    Beeryurt Initiate (0) Mar 8, 2013 Wisconsin

    this is why I just stopped trading with the cold winter months upon us, I have some "gift" beers I need to send out to two BA's that sent me such amazing boxes that I need to return the favor but with the polar vortex crap I have just figured it's best to wait until march to avoid broken bottles and missed shipping dates. Some people just don't understand the risk with sending beer in the winter, had some other random BA person get upset when I called a trade off in dec due to fear of shipping getting stuck due to a storm.
     
  20. Alex5

    Alex5 Pundit (912) Mar 18, 2012 South Carolina

    That story is a lie! 2 sides of the story!!! These are the highlights....
    I'd definitely like Westbrook Gozu (x2), Westbrook Orange Bliss, COAST Saison du Fus. I think I may pass on BA Blackbeerd this go around. However, I would like to get a sixer of Westbrook White Thai cans.

    I don't mind shipping ahead of schedule (asap) even if it would take you a little bit or time or a few weeks to round up some WB cans.

    awesome, again whatever time frame works out for you shipping my way is fine w/ me. I'm happy to get something out the door as early as tomorrow, or Monday if you'd like me to wait.
     
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  21. pjl44

    pjl44 Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2008 Massachusetts
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    I think you missed the point. He doesn't understand why you left negative trade feedback over extras.
     
  22. Alex5

    Alex5 Pundit (912) Mar 18, 2012 South Carolina

    So...HOW AM I THE BAD GUY????? Because he's lying and accusing me of stuff.
     
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  23. drummermattie02

    drummermattie02 Initiate (0) May 10, 2009 Texas

    1. Identify his false statements
    2. Explain why you feel the lack of extras warrants negative feedback
    3. Air starts to clear
    4. Except that point 2 will be very hard to do unless there is another reason for leaving negative feedback
     
  24. Alex5

    Alex5 Pundit (912) Mar 18, 2012 South Carolina

    I already did.....
     
  25. Alex5

    Alex5 Pundit (912) Mar 18, 2012 South Carolina

    Obviously amount of trades doesn't mean ANYTHING and this "guy" is the proof.
     
  26. lowbit

    lowbit Initiate (0) Jul 24, 2013 Wisconsin

    What is he lying about? It's plainly evident to anyone who looks at the trading system that you left negative feedback about him because he didn't send extras.
     
  27. daryk77

    daryk77 Initiate (0) Jun 16, 2005 District of Columbia

    Not really, good starting point would be to point out if you disagree with these points from the OP;

    "he chews me out 'Not sure what the problem is. I've been waiting for you for over a week....It's been nothing but excuses and bad communication...' A negative exchange continues, with the trader continuing to insult me."

    "The bottles I sent arrive, he gives me negative feedback because I sent the agreed upon trade but no extras."

    True or not?
     
  28. Alex5

    Alex5 Pundit (912) Mar 18, 2012 South Carolina

    Bad trader because all the mind games and all the bs he put me through!!!! no extras was just another thing on top of everything else. And he calls himself and experienced trader.
     
  29. bauermj

    bauermj Initiate (0) May 4, 2009 Illinois

    If we are going to start quoting BMs at least include the context.
    This is when you had picked beers already in my cellar. Then you decided that $10/12oz bottle for Crooked Stave club beers and Avery BA series bottles was too much, so you requested local beers I had access to. We then agreed

    This put us to the Wednesday time frame. I also thought we were pretty cordial. You even mentioned your Fiancee liked cheese curds so I offered:
    I then said
    To which you replied
     
  30. drummermattie02

    drummermattie02 Initiate (0) May 10, 2009 Texas

    Did he lie about being male? Is bauermj a chick? If so, negative feedback: warranted.
     
  31. jrnyc

    jrnyc Pooh-Bah (2,916) Mar 21, 2010 New York
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Not to mention he did right by you in making sure he didn't send you frozen beer.
     
  32. Alex5

    Alex5 Pundit (912) Mar 18, 2012 South Carolina

    Dude, you told me that you HAD all those beers that you've listed!!! You didnt' tell me that you had to go and get them until AFTER you asked me to get beers for you. I'm done with this. Believe him, dont' believe me. Have a good one!
     
  33. daryk77

    daryk77 Initiate (0) Jun 16, 2005 District of Columbia

    Thanks for the additional info OP
     
  34. Alex5

    Alex5 Pundit (912) Mar 18, 2012 South Carolina

    WOW!!! I can't believe this guy. He's continuing to lie and leaving out THE IMPORTANT parts of the convo. Stop acting like an immature little girl.
     
  35. Alex5

    Alex5 Pundit (912) Mar 18, 2012 South Carolina

    Hey, saw your For Trade post. I would be interested in trying to work something out if it is still open. From your wants I have:
    Allagash Merveilleiux
    Allagash Midnight Brett
    Avery Uncle Jacobs
    Avery Thensaurum
    Cascade Strawberry b1
    Central Waters Brewers reserve Bourbon Barrel Stout
    Crooked Stave Origins Grand Cru
    Crooked Stave Origins (#1 & #2)
    Crooked Stave L'Brett d'or
    5050 Eclipse variants
    Green Flash Silva Stout
    Jolly Pumpkin La Parcela
    Kuhnhenn 4th Dementia
    Kuhnhenn Bourbon BA 4th Dementia
    Leelanau Whaleback White
    McAuslan St-Ambroise Stout Impériale Russe
    New Glarus Thumbprint Enigma
    New Glarus Thumbprint Wild Sour
    can possibly make a Wisconsin run for Serendipity, Raspberry Tart, Strawberry Rhubarb, Wisconsin Belgian Red
    Pipeworks Abduction
    Pipeworks Brother Blue Beardo
    Pipeworks Brother Nelson Razbeardo
    Pipeworks Chai Dog
    Pipeworks Game of Jones
    other Pipeworks
    Port Santa's Little Helper
    Revolution Deth's Tar
    Revolution Very Mad Cow
    other Revolution
    Bruery Melange #3
    Bruery Oude Tart
    Bruery Otiose
    Bruery Tart of Darkness
    Bruery White Oak
    Lost Abbey 10 Commandments
    Lost Abbey Judgement Day
    others
    Let me know if there are some bottles of more interest and we can try to frame something up. I have access to fresh Surly, Three Floyds, Revolution, Pipeworks, Off Color, Half Acre, etc. Would be up for some more other Westbrook locals on your end too. Cheers
    -Matt
     
  36. Alex5

    Alex5 Pundit (912) Mar 18, 2012 South Carolina

    THAT MEANS YOU HAVE THOSE BOTTLES!
     
  37. bauermj

    bauermj Initiate (0) May 4, 2009 Illinois

    Good lord. The bottom line is we had worked a trade around 5 bottles I had, you then said they weren't big enough in quantity (origins #1, origins grand cru, an avery ba sour). You had me add Blvd Rye-on-Rye to replace after I told you I had seen it on the shelf, we also agreed to 2 other Lost Abbey 750mls off the shelf.

    Regardless of this point at all, it all happened in a crazy quick time line and you still haven't shipped me anything. I had room for 1 extra bottle and I'll be damned if I was going to send you a $20+ extra after your exchange on Wednesday. This is insanity
     
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  38. Photekut

    Photekut Initiate (0) Mar 31, 2006 Tennessee

    I tend to believe the person that is not acting like a raving lunatic in most situations...

    If you got screwed Alex5 I have yet to see how.

    Beer is such srs business these days.
     
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  39. bauermj

    bauermj Initiate (0) May 4, 2009 Illinois

    Because I'm not a jerk I also told him
     
  40. Alex5

    Alex5 Pundit (912) Mar 18, 2012 South Carolina

    LOL! I was nicee and patient with him. Like I said...I'm done. I just get more mad reading all the responses and it's hard to gather my thoughts atm. Believe what you guys want. I've never dealt with somebody like him. he's either plain dumb or thinks he is so freaking smart and slick. I re-read our convo over and over again. Even read it out loud to my fiancee. It's not me!
     
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