New/Hybrid Styles (White Stout)

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  1. ShogoKawada

    ShogoKawada Meyvn (1,247) May 31, 2009 Pennsylvania

    I'm gearing up for EBF. Should be a good time.

    But I see there's a 'white stout'. What the heck is a white stout? Anyone? Anyone? The only one in the system is listed as a barleywine and is considered a strong pale ale.

    Anyone have any info on this style?
  2. beerassociate

    beerassociate Initiate (0) Apr 21, 2011 New Jersey

    wheat stout, new emerging style. not too popular yet, I'm sure it'll be huge though
  3. TMoney2591

    TMoney2591 Poo-Bah (6,766) Apr 21, 2009 Illinois

    I saw such a thing on a British YouTuber's review once. Basically, they're using "stout" in the traditional British sense, meaning strong or somesuch. Therefore, you don't need the roasted malts and whatnot to have a stout, just strength.
  4. emannths

    emannths Aspirant (200) Sep 21, 2007 Massachusetts

    Stout * wit maybe? So maybe a stout with wheat, coriander, orange peel, and wit yeast?
  5. Tashbrew

    Tashbrew Initiate (0) Dec 29, 2007 California

    Looks like a golden ale to me... They are using the name Stout as a moniker for an IPA...jeez.

    Actually, you can throw a name on anything but coming up with new styles is almost futile as they have to recognized as such...and then you have to find someone actually does such things...
  6. ant880

    ant880 Initiate (0) Nov 7, 2010 New York

    Reminds me of that April Fool's ad by Guinness...
  7. MacNCheese

    MacNCheese Initiate (0) Dec 10, 2011 California

    It's not a style but a fad that will hopefully die a quick death. The only one I've seen is from Nobel brewing "Naughty Sauce" and they list it as a 'white stout'. It gets roastiness from coffee, but otherwise is total shite.
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  8. leedorham

    leedorham Crusader (701) Apr 27, 2006 Washington

    Disappointing, I thought they actually figured out a way to have a pale beer taste roasty.

    I wonder how hard it would be to bleach roasted malts and still retain the flavor characteristics.
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  9. TMoney2591

    TMoney2591 Poo-Bah (6,766) Apr 21, 2009 Illinois

    The clear Guinness from a few years back warped my brain for a few minutes...
  10. papat444

    papat444 Initiate (0) Dec 28, 2006 Quebec (Canada)
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    I seem to recall a recent issue of the BA mag that talked about that. I'd have to find it later but i remember "white stout" sticking in my head.
  11. luwak

    luwak Aspirant (269) Mar 2, 2010 Arizona
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    I knida think some wheatwines make me think "white stout"
    The much hated Bruery White Oak feels like a "blonde stout" in its mouthfeel, but of course it aint roasty...
  12. Circleo12

    Circleo12 Devotee (454) Nov 12, 2012 South Carolina
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    You take that back, mister! I happened to love Crystal Pepsi.
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  13. MacNCheese

    MacNCheese Initiate (0) Dec 10, 2011 California

    ISO non-roasty stouts. Oh wait, those are porters.
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  14. patto1ro

    patto1ro Zealot (525) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands

    The correct name is Pale Stout.
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  15. fritts211

    fritts211 Aspirant (210) Feb 19, 2011 Tennessee
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    There is some strange voodoo here at work for us to get white stouts... I feel uncomfortable now having read this. I'm more confused now than when I saw that bizarre Gagnam Style video for the first time. :angry:
  16. dblab33

    dblab33 Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Michigan

    Read brewing forums and you'll see that there are some folks looking to capture the roastiness and creamy mouthfeel of a stout without adding color. It's definitely possible.... but once you see it and know what it is, you'll most likely be biased and begin to form an opinion before even taking a sip.

    It would be hard not to.
  17. marquis

    marquis Crusader (759) Nov 20, 2005 United Kingdom (England)

    Why not simply brew a stout and serve it in a pewter mug? That way you can't see what colour it is and just enjoy the taste.
    Pale stouts were common enough at one time.
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  18. ColinStClaire

    ColinStClaire Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2012 Washington

    Black IPA to me taste like roasted IPA's, or "Cascadian Dark Ale". I like em. Beats wit IPA for sure.
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  19. dblab33

    dblab33 Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Michigan

    Novelty I guess? Can't really think of any other reason....
  20. danieelol

    danieelol Savant (957) Jun 15, 2010 Australia

    It is simply a pale beer which attempts to emulate the characteristics of a stout using adjuncts like cocoa nibs, coffee or alternatively smoked malt and/or barrel aging.
  21. ShogoKawada

    ShogoKawada Meyvn (1,247) May 31, 2009 Pennsylvania

    does it taste like a stout, or some weird pale beer?
  22. FosterJM

    FosterJM Poo-Bah (2,719) Nov 16, 2009 California
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    Try it. You might like it. Then boot it!

  23. kzoobrew

    kzoobrew Meyvn (1,167) May 8, 2006 Michigan

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  24. Pahn

    Pahn Meyvn (1,474) Dec 2, 2009 New York
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    beat me to it.

    is a pale "stout" possible? wouldn't the roasted malt turn the beer brown? any homebrewers want to chime in on how something could taste like a stout and be pale?
  25. ffenski

    ffenski Initiate (27) Apr 24, 2008 Ohio

    It was just next on the list of "new styles we can forge", like dark blonde ale. Then, of course, oak-aged dark blonde ale.
  26. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Savant (968) Mar 17, 2009 Washington
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    Could've sworn I saw something on twitter about that Night Shift beer. I think it's barrel aged and has some adjuncts added to create a roasty/bitter flavor. I can't find the info though.
  27. loafinaround

    loafinaround Aspirant (296) Jul 16, 2011 New York

    sounds like white chocolate to me. White chocolate = oxymoron.
    All the best foods and beverages are brown.*
    *Highly biased/ opinionated comment from a self-proclaimed stout girl who doesn't humor any bev that isn't viscous and black.
  28. corby112

    corby112 Poo-Bah (3,908) Nov 19, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    "clear liquors are for women on diets"

    -Ron Swanson
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  29. loafinaround

    loafinaround Aspirant (296) Jul 16, 2011 New York

    damn. guess I can't go on a diet
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  30. jtg5678

    jtg5678 Aspirant (210) Nov 27, 2012 Illinois
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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only reason to try to make a "pale stout" is appearance?
  31. jbck109

    jbck109 Aspirant (267) May 30, 2010 Michigan
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    MMM bleach, just the flavor I want in my beer! Cool concept though, it would be interesting to have a beer that looked like kellerweiss and tasted like FIS
  32. spoonhawk

    spoonhawk Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2010 Iowa

    I've had wheat stouts before -- lighter body, smoother profile, and tend to have a touch of banana and grass in 'em. My experience with them so far has been mixed, but I like the idea.

    A "white stout"? Beats me.
  33. jmgrub

    jmgrub Initiate (0) Nov 20, 2010 California

    If I didn't only drink brewery-only limited-release barrel-aged beers from breweries not partially or wholly owned by large beer companies, I'd probably give this style a try. Sounds nice.
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  34. CuteZombieDoll

    CuteZombieDoll Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2011 New Jersey

    When I first saw the title of this thread, I was hoping it was something along the lines of wheat malt toasted like barley malt would be in a typical stout (Not that it would taste good, I don't know that it would, but it would be interesting). The truth is so disappointing. Not to say I won't try it just to see if it really is sort of in it's own class, but still.
  35. MammaGoose

    MammaGoose Initiate (0) Jan 10, 2013 Wyoming

    Sorry to dig this up, but I took a trip to Denver this last weekend and one of the breweries we stopped at was Renegade Brewing Co. They had a white stout on tap, and I thought of this for the sake of BA, I ordered it. It was kind of a hazy pale honey color. It smelled toasty, as opposed to burnt or roasty. The mouthfeel was more definitely more viscous than one usually expects from a beer that color. And the taste was kind of nutty. My boyfriend and I both agreed it was fairly reminiscent of peanut butter. I believe it was 8% ABV. It wasn't a bad beer. I don't know how stout-ish it was, besides a fuller body and a reasonably high ABV. Really, I had no idea what to expect or look for in the "style" and had nothing to compare it to, so I probably didn't enjoy the beer as much as I could have.

    I enjoyed my double IPA I had afterwards a lot more :slight_smile:
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  36. ShogoKawada

    ShogoKawada Meyvn (1,247) May 31, 2009 Pennsylvania

    awesome, thanks for the first-hand account.
  37. jesskidden

    jesskidden Meyvn (1,258) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey

    Meant the same thing in the US -:grimacing:
  38. beergurujr

    beergurujr Aspirant (230) Oct 27, 2003 Illinois

  39. Scalzo

    Scalzo Aspirant (245) Feb 27, 2012 Illinois
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    If you watch the video, Brewdog/Stone supplemented traditional stout malts with other traditional stout ingredients; chocolate, coffee, etc.

    This in theory would mimic a stout, and make us question what makes a stout, a stout? is it the color? the mouth feel? The roasted, chocolate flavors and aromas?
  40. Pahn

    Pahn Meyvn (1,474) Dec 2, 2009 New York
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    the brewdog / stone video is an april fools joke.
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