News on Surly's new brewery

Discussion in 'Midwest' started by zeledonia, Sep 28, 2012.

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  1. zeledonia

    zeledonia Meyvn (1,352) Nov 23, 2008 Washington
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  2. motorhed

    motorhed Initiate (0) Oct 27, 2008 Minnesota

    thanks for sharing, i had hear rumors about this site but now it looks to be semi-official.
  3. Revenant

    Revenant Aspirant (280) Aug 8, 2012 Minnesota

    Bah. I knew St Paul never stood a chance.
  4. motorhed

    motorhed Initiate (0) Oct 27, 2008 Minnesota

    nothing been decided yet, sounds like they need to get a substancial amount of $ from the city to clean up that site. BTW - doesn't St.Paul already have the two best beer bars in the state and quite a few breweries on top of that? ;-)
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  5. incutrav

    incutrav Initiate (0) Jan 16, 2007 Minnesota

    Depends on what you mean by 'quite a few'. Summit, Flat Earth are the only production breweries in St Paul. Nothing new has sprouted up since '07. Last City is at some point, in theory.
  6. maximum12

    maximum12 Poo-Bah (3,497) Jan 21, 2008 Minnesota
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    Can't get much closer to St. Paul without being in it.

    On the plus side, this is within biking distance of my parent's house. Might have to dust of the two-wheeler...
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  7. pmccallum86

    pmccallum86 Zealot (510) Apr 7, 2009 Minnesota
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    Definitely not a scenic area by any means
  8. hopdragon

    hopdragon Initiate (129) Jan 6, 2007 Minnesota

    The site is in both Minneapolis and St Paul.
  9. minnesotaryan

    minnesotaryan Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2010 Minnesota

    Surly will finally unite and reconcile all of us.
  10. DogfishRyan

    DogfishRyan Initiate (130) Mar 2, 2011 Minnesota
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    I'm definitely right there with you. Huh.
  11. Revenant

    Revenant Aspirant (280) Aug 8, 2012 Minnesota

    Well if it's anywhere near Marshall Ave I am in luck.
  12. BuckettOfBeer

    BuckettOfBeer Initiate (115) Mar 19, 2010 Minnesota
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    This is literally 4 blocks from where I live. Yes. Also yes, the area is very industrial and pretty ugly but once this thing is built it will be a total turnaround.
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  13. kawilliams81

    kawilliams81 Meyvn (1,248) Feb 27, 2009 Illinois
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    Hurry the F up already Surly! They haven't even picked a damn location yet? Why is it taking so long to pick a location?
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  14. MNPikey

    MNPikey Devotee (403) Feb 27, 2011 Minnesota
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    I predict the area willl become the next 'warehouse district' with high end condos, retail, and entertainment....

    Also: big fan of Surly but F them and their attempt at a corporate bailout/assistance.
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  15. Sender

    Sender Initiate (0) Sep 19, 2010 Minnesota

    Do you like sports?
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  16. herman77

    herman77 Meyvn (1,056) Jan 24, 2010 Minnesota

    It's a 100 year decision. Everything has to be perfect. If it takes a few extra months or a year... so be it.
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  17. kawilliams81

    kawilliams81 Meyvn (1,248) Feb 27, 2009 Illinois
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    I understand that but they are looking in one area (twin cities), not the whole country! And, it has been a year almost since they passed the bill to let them build the new brewery.
  18. morimech

    morimech Poo-Bah (2,900) Nov 6, 2006 Minnesota

    I am sure many MN BA's had their complaints about that as well. I am OK with taxpayer money going towards cleaning up the site allowing construction to begin. It is a short leash I am giving however.
  19. Yulles

    Yulles Initiate (0) Apr 12, 2009 Minnesota
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    First off, bailouts and assistance are two completely different things, so lumping them together is at best misleading. Second, when done properly, things like development grants,which will help clean up and reviatalize otherwise unusable sites, and tax increment financing (not sure if Surly will be using such a scheme) are beneficial to the company, the city, and the citizenry as a whole.

    I am sure people were outraged when Summit was able to purchase their land from the city of St. Paul for a pittance (I believe just a dollar) but there were strings attached that not only raised the tax base but the quality of lives of employees. It does have to be done right, but when it is, it can be very beneficial to all parties.
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  20. mdmusch

    mdmusch Initiate (0) May 5, 2012 Minnesota
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    Brownfield development should almost always be looked at as a positive.... Money is invested into a dead/dying part of the city to breathe life in that area and potentially attract other suitors
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  21. mnstorm99

    mnstorm99 Initiate (0) May 11, 2007 Minnesota

    Which two?
    I want to agree with you, but that area will make the money back with this acquisition IMO
  22. biglobo8971

    biglobo8971 Devotee (480) May 6, 2010 Minnesota
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    I cant believe I am the first one to say this, the site will be ready, when its ready.
  23. MNPikey

    MNPikey Devotee (403) Feb 27, 2011 Minnesota
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    Not corporate bailout....corporate welfare.

    I don't watch sport. I like to play hockey.

    I don't sit in front of the TV cheering on "my team" thinking delusionally that I am somehow part of the game/team and having an impact on the game's outcome. All while wearing a team jersey and sometimes a jersey with another mans name on the back, LOL. I only thought woman did that when they were dating a player?
  24. maximum12

    maximum12 Poo-Bah (3,497) Jan 21, 2008 Minnesota
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    Well, corporations fucked up the land in the first place. Who's going to clean it up, exactly? The responsible corporation? <snort> I'd love to hear your thoughts on what's going to happen to this land & who should pay to clean it up.

    Don't like sports? Goody for you. At least type a rant that makes sense on the subject.
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  25. Shag

    Shag Initiate (197) Jun 27, 2007 Minnesota
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    Hooray for you. You're clearly better than those of us who enjoy watching sports. Enjoy your view from on high when I'm watching football, drinking beer, and having a great time with friends tomorrow...
  26. elshaggy

    elshaggy Initiate (0) Jul 12, 2009 Minnesota

    And eating from a spread of great food!

    To get back OT:
    I don't care if they build in an industrial zone that isn't riverfront and the most scenic place in the state of MN. Stone is the most inconspicuous building, but once inside its an oasis of great beer. Industrial is Surly, from their current brewery to their brand attitude. As nice as a riverfront location could be, I'd rather beagle to buy Surly's seasonal offerings here in the next few years than visit some Mecca half a dozen times a year. Fact of the matter is we need more beer!
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  27. Ungertaker

    Ungertaker Devotee (447) Apr 30, 2010 Minnesota
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    This is common practice amongst businesses to request this type of assistance (and common practice for cities to grant it). In the long run, bringing in an anchor business to an otherwise vacant space allows for a complete revitalization of the area . The cost to the city is far outweighed by the potential benefit of having a new tax base in the area. Take Downtown Saint Paul as an example of what happens when a city does this (Lawson Software and the Xcel Energy Center).
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  28. bergbrew

    bergbrew Initiate (49) Jan 12, 2004 Minnesota

    Not related to Surly, but didn't the Lawson move lead to the closing of Shannon Kelly's brewpub?
  29. Ungertaker

    Ungertaker Devotee (447) Apr 30, 2010 Minnesota
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    I am not sure about that.
  30. mjryan

    mjryan Zealot (569) Dec 22, 2007 Minnesota

    Holy shit Shannon Kelly. I totally forgot about that place.
  31. mjryan

    mjryan Zealot (569) Dec 22, 2007 Minnesota

    And seriously, cities helping businesses revitalize neighborhoods, create jobs, new tax revenue, etc. is a bad thing?
  32. motorhed

    motorhed Initiate (0) Oct 27, 2008 Minnesota

  33. UMNbeerhunter

    UMNbeerhunter Disciple (399) Oct 21, 2010 Minnesota

    Putting your Tap room right next to one of the largest college student bodies in the country is a great movefor the business I approve. 50,000 kids on campus, half of whom are of age and very thirsty. Oh and you can walk to TCF Bank stadium from this site as well, which would be cool if Omar wanted to do some kind of Tailgating thing on saturdays.
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  34. mnstorm99

    mnstorm99 Initiate (0) May 11, 2007 Minnesota

    I figured as much...I however am not a fan of Happy Gnome in any given way (keeping opinions to myself). Muddy Pig...all day long though :slight_smile:.
  35. Shag

    Shag Initiate (197) Jun 27, 2007 Minnesota
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    You're entitled to your opinion, as stupid and insane as it might be... :wink:
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  36. JohnBierman

    JohnBierman Initiate (0) Sep 27, 2006 Minnesota

    This site may prove to be a bit difficult. Many of you know that I operated Stub and Herbs from 1998 to 2010. The site that Surly is looking at would fall in the Prospect Park neighborhood. Prospect Park is very tough on alcohol legislation (many home/business owners in that part of town want less alcohol to be available near the college kids). Their neighborhood association is one of the main reasons that it took 4 years to make beer available in TCF Bank stadium. New bars in that part of town are not aloud to hang signs that advertise alcohol (including neon signs) in windows that face public streets. I know of 1 bar in that neighboorhood that has to offer free food whenever they have any discount on beer or alcohol (they are also not aloud to advertise specials as a "happy hour"). The same neighborhood was one of the big opponents to changing the bar close time in MN from 1am to 2am (seriously dating myself with that comment).

    I went to many neighborhood association meetings in that part of town for: the smoking ban, stadium legislation, 2am bar close, etc. etc. Surly will most likely need the help of Surly nation, the city of MPLS, the Mn Beer Activists and others to sell this to that neighborhood. Get ready for a fight. That said, Omar likes a good fight! Best of luck!
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  37. djschnabel

    djschnabel Initiate (115) Jan 30, 2010 Minnesota

    My guess is that it will be announced on darkness day...
  38. DaveAnderson

    DaveAnderson Devotee (479) Jan 11, 2011 Minnesota

    Take a trip to Three Floyds sometime. It's in an industrial park, too. But it's an awesome destination brewery.
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  39. feloniousmonk

    feloniousmonk Poo-Bah (4,873) Nov 14, 2002 Minnesota

    Because of you. you are the reason. Stop whatever you're doing, right now, and things will go a lot faster.
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  40. feloniousmonk

    feloniousmonk Poo-Bah (4,873) Nov 14, 2002 Minnesota

    "beagle"? Is this code for something? (And don't you go blame auto-correct!)
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