Next country to make a Great Leap Forward in Beer quality...

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  1. TonyLema1

    TonyLema1 Initiate (0) Nov 19, 2008 South Carolina

    Some great hops come out of New Zealand, wouldn't mind seeing some stuff from that part of the world
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  2. lester619

    lester619 Initiate (0) Apr 17, 2009 Wisconsin

    This is awesome. We've got Olympic hockey smack back and forth with someone in China on a beer forum. The Internet is kind of cool sometimes. USA! USA!
  3. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    If the mods will allow one more round of good natured smack... Those Montreal Canadiens were professionals, right?

    We should meet for a beer (or two, or three...) and talk hockey!
  4. AugustusRex

    AugustusRex Initiate (0) Apr 12, 2013 Canada (ON)

    Dieu du Ceil is like Canada's Stone Brewing, and Unibroue is our Southern Tier. Neither are talked about very much. The three you hear about are Bellwoods, Four Winds and Driftwood.
  5. wordemupg

    wordemupg Grand Pooh-Bah (3,103) Feb 11, 2009 Canada (AB)
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    New Zealand was way ahead of the game considering their small population when I was down there last year. Australia's coming along nicely and I may be a little bias but Canada has some bad ass breweries that get zero exposure south of the boarder.
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  6. HopBelT

    HopBelT Grand Pooh-Bah (3,373) Mar 18, 2014 Belgium
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    In Europe, next to Italy, France and Spain are also having some great new craft breweries.
    We should also be watching the Aussies and NZ. I think some nice stuff has already been brewed down under...
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  7. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado

    Freight? In 50 years everyone will have their own Beer Transporter.
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  8. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado

  9. gopens44

    gopens44 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,374) Aug 9, 2010 Virginia
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    Now that I think about it, there's another beer I've seen around lately from Canada - Howe Sound. Haven't tried anything from them yet, but they are on my "short list" of breweries to try out.
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  10. Zorro

    Zorro Grand Pooh-Bah (3,258) Dec 25, 2003 California

    Alabama or Utah

  11. Giovannilucano

    Giovannilucano Maven (1,424) Feb 24, 2011 New Jersey

    Thank you kind sir for your support! I know I have brought up this subject with some many faucets: Italy not having a brewing history, the expensive and even what do Italians know about beer.

    Well, it would seem that most Italian brewers acknowledge their lack of history but look inward to their own culture and put their culinary touch into. Also, many of the brewers respect, admire, pay homage to the German and Belgian school of brewing(as an example I share often the Del Ducato bought a tank of 3 Fontienen lambic to mix with their own)

    In any case, I love to promote Italian craft but even with my "insane" love for it, I will also commit my heart t American craft and in particular Wyoming brews, since I am proud to say I will be leading an off flavor course with 3 Wyoming breweries! Exciting!

    Once again thank your support and let us hope that the expense of this wonderful craft ease up! :grinning:
  12. Giovannilucano

    Giovannilucano Maven (1,424) Feb 24, 2011 New Jersey

    And one note I always make, especially for Italian and Spanish brews, is that there is such a touch of their culinary tastes infused,literally and figurativel, into the beer. Think of the Italian brewery Piccolo Sessonette which used chinotto for a traditional saison, and challenges your palate with a bitter almost amaro like flavor .
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  13. bylerteck

    bylerteck Grand Pooh-Bah (3,093) May 17, 2009 Canada (ON)

    You can have those.
  14. StJamesGate

    StJamesGate Grand Pooh-Bah (3,315) Oct 8, 2007 New York

    Ireland's up to about 70 breweries now, with at least twenty of those being as good as any other European craft breweries.

    Biggest hurdle for Irish craft is, legally, you can't offer samples or fill growlers at the brewery.
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  15. captaincoffee

    captaincoffee Pooh-Bah (2,132) Jul 10, 2011 Virginia
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    I'd put France in the category of unknown/unhyped. Northern France has a great brewing tradition, similar to Belgium...they just don't get any credit for it. Try anything from Thiriez and you'll see why breweries like Jester King go do collabs with them. Something like Cuvée Des Jonquilles can compete with Belgian-brewed saison/bière de garde (IMHO), although I suppose it is hard to get outside of France.
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  16. Dan_K

    Dan_K Initiate (0) Nov 8, 2013 Colorado

    Yeah, Ireland might be one of the places to leap. I was there in 2010 and to me it seemed the craft beer scene was nearly non-existant. Although the traditional smaller breweries already in place are pretty crafty.
  17. ericj551

    ericj551 Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2004 Canada (AB)

    Canadian brewers are there and doing great stuff. The West Coast is a hotbed, Victoria/Vancouver are really hitting it out of the park. They're just not making it across the border for the most part.
  18. mickwin

    mickwin Zealot (556) Mar 25, 2015 Ireland

    Some really good beers in Ireland now, more craft ales appearing all the time, even middle of the road pubs are now stocking the odd craft beer, come over and try some!
  19. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,327) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania

    This one surprised me... Any particular reason Ecuador is an up-and-comer in the beer world?
  20. jws6w7

    jws6w7 Initiate (0) Oct 30, 2014 Florida

    North Cuba (aka Miami)
  21. bluehende

    bluehende Initiate (0) Dec 10, 2010 Delaware

    I will guess China due to the emergence of their middle class and entrepreneurial spirit.
  22. 77black_ships

    77black_ships Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2012 Belgium

    The Netherlands have really improved in the last few years, they keep getting better. Het Uiltje, Oersoep & Oedipus are wonderful breweries. The Netherlands get rarely mentioned when it comes to beer safe for the Trappist beers & De Molen.

    I can see a few Eastern European countries really explode, I put my money on countries like Estonia & Latvia. My exposure there is highly limited mainly to Labietis & Põhjala. It seems to me like they have the right mix of reasonable living standards, love for beer & a long history with beer.

    The eastern part of France has actually quite an established beer culture / history. Le Paradis, Mont Salève & Thiriez (origin of the famous French saison yeast if I am not mistaken) are really good breweries. Paris apparently has a small burgeoning movement. Rest of France appears to have quite a lot of breweries but not much quality.

    I am a bit surprised by so many people mentioning Italy, they have a pretty established brewing scenes & have had one for a few years now.
  23. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,239) Nov 20, 2005 England

    There was a great deal of interest over here shown by prospective Italian brewers a few years ago.Good to know it bore fruit.
  24. jefftennis

    jefftennis Initiate (0) Oct 6, 2009 Pennsylvania

    South Africa is coming on.
  25. WillemHC

    WillemHC Zealot (568) Jun 21, 2013 Utah

    I was impressed by how passionate about craft beer South Africa seems to be. I think they'll probably be doing some exciting things soon!
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  26. alms4thepour

    alms4thepour Initiate (0) Nov 9, 2012 Georgia

    I can confirm craft beer in Poland is definitely growing FAST. A few years ago the most interesting thing in mainstream stores were the Baltic porters, with Alebrowar and Browar Pinta around but hard to find. Now there are more American-style IPA's than they know what to do with. Pracownia Piwa is great... plus Doctor Brew and Birbant made RB's best new brewers list last year. I even saw Knee Deep's Simtra, Logsdon's Seizoen Bretta and a variety of Cantillon in Warsaw, so they're starting to import some great stuff, too. Shout out to Lawendowa 8 in Gdansk, which is a great bar if you're ever in the area.
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  27. CharlatanSin

    CharlatanSin Initiate (0) May 28, 2009 Connecticut

    My wife lived in Barcelona for most of the past year, so I spent a lot of time there. I have to say, the craft beer scene there feels a LOT like the U.S. scene did 6 or 7 years ago. Obsession with hops, new beer bars opening seemingly every week, many mediocre breweries opening up but a handful of really really good ones.

    Edge Brewing in BCN is fantastic. BIIR in BCN makes a great lambic. Naparbier in Navarro is outstanding. Dougall's in Cantabria is superb. And a lot of the small, local Catalan breweries are perfectly solid. The craft beer future in Spain/Catalunya seems very bright.
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  28. rhartogsq

    rhartogsq Initiate (0) Jun 18, 2010 Virginia

    I love the Naparbier Sai Saison. I spent some time at La Cerveteca there, cool bar/bottle shop.
  29. FrenchBeerGeek

    FrenchBeerGeek Initiate (0) Dec 23, 2014 France

    For me Canada and particulary Quebec and in Europe, Scandinavia, Netherlands, Englands, Italy really explose here. I tasted very good beers from Spain, Poland, Germany, Latevia etc

    We have more 700 breweries :grinning: but only 20-30 for "craft beer", they brew traditionnal french ale (blonde ambrée brune

    Yeah Thiritez rocks! We, the beer geeks we don't support traditionnal biere de garde style because it's not innovative

    You forgot Pays Flamand, it's the only french breweries with barrel aging program. We have a lot of late here.
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  30. thepenguin

    thepenguin Savant (1,179) Aug 8, 2010 Massachusetts

    North Korea. I read somewhere recently (last issue of BA maybe?) that they're working on an ale that will grant everlasting life, superhuman strength, and glory.
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  31. distantmantra

    distantmantra Pooh-Bah (2,954) May 23, 2011 Washington
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    I was in Spain this past Summer and had some amazing local beers. The top breweries were Naparbier, La Pirata and Monsieur Gordo. In total I tried 45 different Spanish craft beers.

    Japan is also killing it. I've been impressed with the growth I've seen in the craft industry since I started visiting in 2006.
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  32. HorseheadsHophead

    HorseheadsHophead Grand Pooh-Bah (3,581) Sep 15, 2014 Colorado

    Sweden. I hear there are some good things coming out of Sweden lately. Perhaps it will continue that way.
  33. olradetbalder

    olradetbalder Initiate (0) Jan 31, 2011 Sweden

    Ahhh bett me to the ball here. Sweden has improved a lot, been a lot of breweries but few has rised high but laterly in Sout of Sweden there is a few really goods once along with Omnipollo.

    Malmö Brewing Co, Brekeriet and Brewski is really really good.
    Some is up and comming as well, some great meaderies such as Mjödhamnen and Sathipaja.

    Lemme know if you wan to be convinced!
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  34. Lurchus

    Lurchus Zealot (733) Jan 19, 2014 Germany

    I tend to disagreee there. Sure, the pale lagers have mostly been crap. But in the dark department, at least as long as I can remember, also the bigger polish brewers made some more than decent stuff. Some of the best baltic porters came, and still come,from poland.

    BTW, when I read a lot of stuff here, I think the lesser known,classic beer styles of many european countries are highly underrated.
  35. LordCrabapple

    LordCrabapple Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2006 England

    Yes, advances in 'beer quality' seems to mean beer made in the 'American style'...For me it's pretty grim to hear countries following American fashion so slavishly...
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  36. TheEpeeist

    TheEpeeist Maven (1,348) Nov 5, 2008 Maryland

    Zywiec is certainly a benchmark for the style but after that I found a big drop-off. Okocim is solid but not so memorable.

    Can you recommend some good old school Polish dark brews that make it to the states?
  37. captaincoffee

    captaincoffee Pooh-Bah (2,132) Jul 10, 2011 Virginia
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    That may be true, but I don't think we are talking here about countries with historical brewing traditions converting to American craft and calling it a "quality improvement." I'm not an expert on all these countries, but I think for the most part we are talking about countries that previously didn't have significant numbers of small independent breweries doing their own thing. Yes, many seem to be following the American path in terms of beer styles. Isn't it objectively fair to call that an improvement in quality overall when the only other option is a locally brewed Heineken or imported Bud Light?
    On an aside, I see Ireland mentioned in a post above, and I was just reading about the brewing history there. 200 breweries around 1850 down to 12 in 2007. Apparently in 2014, there were 50 "craft" breweries which accounted for 1.5% of the consumption. Personally, I would rather see the emergence of all these small breweries (regardless of whether they are doing traditional cask ale or American IIPAs) than only have the option of 6 varieties of Guinness.
  38. NorfairLegend

    NorfairLegend Initiate (0) Aug 5, 2014 Illinois

    Thailand. Every time I go I find a few more places serving a much more robust menu than the usual Chang, Leo or Singha. The locals drinking at any of these at any given time are really passionate, always excited to talk beer and really want the scene to grow. While it's nice to get that two pack of talls for a buck on a hot day at 7 Eleven, there's nothing like relaxing on a bean bag with a good bottle from the shop at Mikkeller or walking the Asiatique after a visit to Brew.
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  39. LennyOvies

    LennyOvies Initiate (0) Jul 22, 2015 Mexico

    Sure but sadly the ratio right now is about only 10% great and 20% decent breweries, while the other 70% are just mediocre and awful breweries coming out from literally everywhere. Mexico just started exploding with the craft beer trend.
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  40. Peter_Wolfe

    Peter_Wolfe Initiate (0) Jul 5, 2013 Oregon

    For whatever reason (I have no idea why) there has been a number of expatriates move down there to start craft breweries, as well as a strong local effort. There's more than 50 of them now, and "cerveza artesanal" is becoming very popular. Ecuador has a healthy beer drinking culture so it's ripe for a beer leap forward, as OP put it.
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