Oktoberfest Wiesn vs. Marzen

Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by ifnkovhg, Aug 19, 2019.

  1. Snowcrash000

    Snowcrash000 Poo-Bah (2,195) Oct 4, 2017 Germany
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    While I'm not 100% on this, I believe that they are the same in Germany. It's just the bottles that get exported to the USA that are different.
     
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  2. grantcty

    grantcty Initiate (123) Feb 17, 2008 Minnesota

    As @Snowcrash000 said, I wonder if he's referencing only what's available in Germany?

    I'm a bt surprised that Spaten's Ur Märzen isn't available in Germany given it's status as the 'original' amber one to show up on the Wiesn (via Josef Sedlmayr's Franziskaner Leistbräu)
     
  3. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (2,270) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois

    Based on the video, I'd say yes.
    I know it was available vom Faß away from the fest a few years ago, as was Paulaner's Amber, but I haven't seen any confirmation they're still offered these days.
     
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  4. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Meyvn (1,087) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts

    Ok, that's kind of what I figured.

    So then, H-P is the only one that's amber in bottles in Germany? You can't get the pale Oktoberfest in bottles?
     
  5. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (2,270) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois

    HP Pale? Don't know about that, have seen the other pales in bottles (and cans -- brought home a Paulaner can one time), not sure why HP wouldn't package that way.
     
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  6. grantcty

    grantcty Initiate (123) Feb 17, 2008 Minnesota

    Their Oktoberfest Wiesn used to be available in bottles. The packaging looked like this:
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    Looking at their German website, it's no longer showing up in their list of beers. They do have a Festbier, called Superior.

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    It's the same abv as the Wies'n is/was, so I'm wondering if those two weren't the same beers all along?

    Edit: Paulaner/H-P actually released their Wiesn over here five years ago. I recall liking it better than Paulaner's version, but that's because I'm a bit of an H-P fanboy. :wink:

    (Photo is not mine)
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    https://www.brewbound.com/news/hack...limited-edition-small-batch-series-in-the-u-s
     
  7. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Meyvn (1,087) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts

    Yup, I remember that one hitting the states one year. I'm not sure if that is/was available in Germany though.

    The Paulaner Wiesn has been here for years though (as you mentioned).
     
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  8. grantcty

    grantcty Initiate (123) Feb 17, 2008 Minnesota

    It used to be--the first picture of my response is German/European packaging when it was available in bottles.

    Edit: Here's a picture of a 2 Liter bottle of it!

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  9. hottenot

    hottenot Aspirant (239) Aug 13, 2018 North Carolina
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    According to "experts" Yuengling is a dead ringer for a "Marzen" Nuf said.
     
  10. MNAle

    MNAle Poo-Bah (1,562) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota
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    ??? What?
     
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  11. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (2,270) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois

    LOL! Yuengling Lager? Black and Tan? :grin:

    I'll see your Yuengling and raise you an "expert" rated Leinenkugel! :wink:
     
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  12. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Meyvn (1,087) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts

    Like...the Traditional Lager?
     
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  13. Snowcrash000

    Snowcrash000 Poo-Bah (2,195) Oct 4, 2017 Germany
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    I know the Paulaner Märzen bottles aren't available in Germany, but I'm not sure about the HP Festbier. I certainly haven't seen it, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it doesen't exist. Although I've been to a local Getränkemarkt recently that had a rather comprehensive selection of Oktoberfest beers and the HP Festbier wasn't amongst them.

    @grantcty's post does suggest to me that it exists, but it is perhaps not widely distributed. Speaking of the availability of Oktoberfest beers, Augustiner is unique among the Munich Six for refusing to distribute their Oktoberfest beer outside of Bavaria. I just thought that was an interesting little tidbit.
     
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  14. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Meyvn (1,087) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts

    Are you talking about the "Superior" beer he posted? Because I think the actual Festbier from H-P was a limited edition offering (I could be wrong).

    Are there Augustiner Oktoberfestbier bottles available in Bavaria, or is that draft only?
     
  15. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (2,270) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois

    From @grantcty 's post above:
    "It's the same abv as the Wies'n is/was, so I'm wondering if those two weren't the same beers all along?"

    I'd bet he's correct.
     
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  16. Snowcrash000

    Snowcrash000 Poo-Bah (2,195) Oct 4, 2017 Germany
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    Oh, they're available in Bavaria, the fuckers just refuse to export them so that the Saupreissn won't get their hands on them :grimacing:.

    I know of one Getränkemarkt owner who used to simply import them himself by buying from Getränkemarkts in Bavaria and when they found out about that they really gave him some shit about it.
     
  17. grantcty

    grantcty Initiate (123) Feb 17, 2008 Minnesota

    H-P put that 'Limited Edition' on the labels for all of the swing-top beers they sent to the US market in 2014. (Hubertus Bock, Sternweisse, Festbier/Oktoberfest Wiesn, and Animator Doppelbock)

    Everything I've seen over the past several years indicates that they packaged and sold a wiesn-style beer in Germany for at least a few years. The pictures I posted were from other years besides the one year they sent it over here. They even used to have a page for it on their German website, but it's now gone. As the pictures show, they labeled their wiesn with "Oktoberfestbier" and you'll note that it says "original wiesn bier" underneath.

    I may have to message/email H-P and see if they'll disclose whether Superior and their wiesn are the same beer, just packaged differently depending on when/where they're served.
     
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  18. hottenot

    hottenot Aspirant (239) Aug 13, 2018 North Carolina
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    The color! Ha Ha Ha!
     
  19. hottenot

    hottenot Aspirant (239) Aug 13, 2018 North Carolina
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    Har Har ha ha! Snort! chortle!
     
  20. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (2,270) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois

    Yeah, I remember my first beer too. :rolling_eyes:
     
  21. officerbill

    officerbill Disciple (347) Feb 9, 2019 New York
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    Wait, I want to hear more about those 2 liter bottles. Finally, a proper single serving size. I don't have a glass that big so I'd have to drink out of the bottle. :+1:
     
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  22. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,152) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I can't tell you about 2 liter bottles but below is a 1.5 liter bottle of Únětický Pivovar 10° Czech Pale Lager that I drank a few days ago in Prague. I shared it with my wife.

    Na Zdravi!

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  23. officerbill

    officerbill Disciple (347) Feb 9, 2019 New York
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    I like that it has a resealable top. Is that size bottle common?
     
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  24. EmperorBatman

    EmperorBatman Initiate (74) Mar 16, 2018 District of Columbia

    Czech Malt Liquor?:grin:
     
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  25. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,152) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I mostly drank beer in pubs in the Czech Republic vs. going to beer retailers so it is best I don't comment here - too inexperienced on this topic.

    Cheers!
     
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  26. nc41

    nc41 Poo-Bah (1,938) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Should have centered your visit to the Flyers game.
     
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  27. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,152) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I saw folks at the Prague airport arriving and some of them had Flyers clothing on.

    When we booked the flights I had zero knowledge that the Flyers would have their season opener in Prague. I did not even know that the NHL did this sort of thing. I just did a web search earlier today and the NHL markets this as "Global Series" and this the third straight year they are conducting this. You learn something new everyday.

    Cheers!

    P.S. Flyers 4, Blackhawks 3: Czech this out!
     
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  28. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Meyvn (1,087) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts

    You think that’s a proper serving size yet you don’t have a Maß?

    You need to remedy this as soon as possible.

    That’s awesome.
     
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  29. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (2,270) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois

    Still spill over a Maß. :grin:

    Need a 2 liter boot. :wink:
     
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  30. nc41

    nc41 Poo-Bah (1,938) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Found some Weihenstephaner today for the first time ever. Hmm, I think I like Ayinger more, and here I thought I preferred pales.
     
  31. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Meyvn (1,087) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts

    Ha for some reason I had it in my head they said “22 oz.”.

    I think I need to drink less, or more.
     
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