Ommegang/AleSmith Blend - Three Philosophers/Speedway

Discussion in 'Beer News & Releases' started by M-Fox24, Sep 25, 2020.

  1. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Meyvn (1,123) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey




    Philosophy and Velocity combines two iconic imperial beers from East and West: our own Three Philosophers and @alesmithbrewing's Speedway Stout.

    FROM THE EAST: We brewed a Belgian-inspired version of Speedway Stout to blend with Three Philosophers Quadruple Ale.

    FROM THE WEST: Alesmith brewed an American ale variant on Three Philosophers to blend with their robust, coffee-infused Speedway Stout.

    Philosophy, meet Velocity.

    Expect aromas of chocolate, dark fruit, and roasted coffee with flavors of cocoa and caramel. Carbonation lifts this beer to a darkly lingering finish, with hints of cherry and spicy Belgian yeast. It's a big, balanced hybrid of Belgian-style strong ale and imperial stout. Look for it out on select shelves now!

  2. chinchill

    chinchill Poo-Bah (9,794) Feb 29, 2008 South Carolina

    Bought one in SC but haven't tried it yet
  3. tobelerone

    tobelerone Poo-Bah (2,819) Dec 1, 2010 New Jersey
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    Wow very interesting. Will definitely cop a single if I see one. @M-Fox24 whats your verdict?
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  4. jasonmason

    jasonmason Initiate (199) Oct 6, 2004 California

    I will absolutely give this a try if if shows up in NorCal.
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  5. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Meyvn (1,123) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey

    Opinion would have led the post, but currently ISO -
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  6. zid

    zid Meyvn (1,219) Feb 15, 2010 New York

    :thinking_face: So I guess it really is not a "combination of two iconic imperial beers."
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  7. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Meyvn (1,123) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey

    Distinct Blends - Ommegang will reinterpret Speedway: AleSmith will reinterpret Three Philosophers…do you prefer a hands-on "combination of two iconic imperial beers?"

  8. mikeinportc

    mikeinportc Meyvn (1,063) Nov 4, 2015 New York

    Want to try them.:clap::clap::clap:
    'Course, being only ~ an hr from Ommegang, I'll probably never see it. It'll end up in Georgia or Texas or somewhere else. :rolling_eyes::grin:
    (Often happens:confused:)
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  9. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Poo-Bah (1,558) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    I was. Curious about this two but seeing @M-Fox24 post below yours I'm even more excited about (hopefully) finding the alesmith version
  10. zid

    zid Meyvn (1,219) Feb 15, 2010 New York

    Distinct blends of distinct beers. If the source beers are distinct then it doesn't really matter if the blends are too. Alesmith isn't using Three Philosophers and Ommegang isn't using Speedway for their blends... at least that's just my POV.
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  11. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Meyvn (1,123) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey

    But it does - given the backing and circumstance

    Both well established and have aid/history = would think the sourced beers are represented: AleSmisth knows Three Philphophers / Ommegang knows Speedway
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  12. zid

    zid Meyvn (1,219) Feb 15, 2010 New York

    I am unsure if we are just talking past each other. The brewers are deliberately not recreating those beers in their own facilities... they are creating riffs on those beers. I apologize for my comment generating this back and forth.
  13. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Poo-Bah (1,558) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    This is what I understood too. And its what's so interesting to me. I mean, sure, if some astute blender were given reign maybe those too beers blended together to create something divine.

    I, however, am much more intrigued by the idea that Ommegang taught Alesmith how to make 3 Philosophers. And Alesmith then adjusted the recipe to make the best version for blending with speedway. And vice versa, with Ommegang being taught the speedway recipe. And then tweaking it to make the version they believe will blend best with 3 philosophers.

    I don't know if I've ever wanted to get both brewery's version of a collaboration more.
  14. tobelerone

    tobelerone Poo-Bah (2,819) Dec 1, 2010 New Jersey
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    ah for some reason I half thought that was your hand holding the can!
  15. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,688) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania

    For those who would prefer to drink a blended beer of Ommegang Three Philosophers and AleSmith Speedway that can be easily achieved: buy these two beers and blend them in your own glass. If you want to get creative you could create differing blended beers from those two beers by using multiple glasses:

    · Produce a 50/50 blend in one glass

    · Produce a 75/25 blend in a second glass

    · Produce a 25/75 blend in a third glass

    Or select whatever proportions that suit your personal whims.

  16. socon67

    socon67 Poo-Bah (2,322) Jun 18, 2010 New York

    I really want to pick these up. Big fan of both beers, and while the collabs always seem to underwhelm, I'll gladly go along for the ride.
  17. Prince_Casual

    Prince_Casual Disciple (351) Nov 3, 2012 District of Columbia

    I mean couldn't you like, I don't know, have a can of each and then do some mixing if you wanted to do straight 1:3 1:1 3:1 mixes?

    There are some gnarly frankenstien beers (gnarly good and gnarly bad) just by mixing two beers like a Black & Tan, but I don't know that a brewery needs to mix them for you.
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  18. Giantspace

    Giantspace Champion (822) Dec 22, 2011 Pennsylvania

    No, but marketing......

    This combo does not sound good. Speedway is a great beer, add a quad to that and I can’t imagine it’s going to be better or even good.

    Not had Speedway in a bunch of years. I’d it can only now or can I still get bottles?

  19. readyski

    readyski Aspirant (277) Jun 4, 2005 California

    I'm guessing two quality beers together equal one good beer
  20. micada

    micada Zealot (501) Jul 13, 2015 New York

    If Alesmith would distro some Speedway here again, I would try out that experiment...haven’t seen it on the shelf in over a year. I think that was the first truly oil-thick viscous monster imperial I ever had.
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  21. waltari

    waltari Initiate (77) Jan 28, 2016 Georgia

    Having one right now. That one is a mess! You want it done right, go with Weyerbacher Tiny, then again this brewery is almost gone.
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  22. Fordcoyote15

    Fordcoyote15 Savant (963) Nov 19, 2011 Kentucky

    Having one now and it is fantastic.
  23. officerbill

    officerbill Zealot (570) Feb 9, 2019 New York
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    Wegman's has them.

    It wasn't bad, but something was off about it.
    I'm hoping that it benefits from aging.

    From my review:
  24. Roguer

    Roguer Poo-Bah (5,245) Mar 25, 2013 Georgia
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    Having had the Ommegang take on this "blended" (recreated then blended, perhaps) beer, I think doing your own blend, like you mentioned, might be a better take on it. It might be worse, granted, but if someone wants a "purer" blend, that's the way to go!

    (And if I could get Speedway, I'd definitely be willing to give it a try.)
  25. craigbelly

    craigbelly Meyvn (1,245) Dec 31, 2015 Iowa

    Definently get a more of quad with a little stout flavor. Very good. I enjoy the spirt of this collab.
  26. Jack_14

    Jack_14 Initiate (81) Nov 2, 2019 Italy

    Knowing that it exists and seeing it drink to others without having the chance to taste it, makes my heart cry.
  27. mambossa

    mambossa Aspirant (248) Jun 30, 2015 Ohio

    I can only imagine the coffee would interfere with the whole point of it having a Belgian yeast characteristic like Tiny does. I don’t even think I’ll see these beers around my neck of the woods anyways.

    For the record I love both Speedway and 3 Philosophers, but they absolutely do not belong together.
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  28. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Poo-Bah (1,558) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    I think that's why the idea of each brewery brewing their version of the others beer, with the blend in mind, is so appealing to me. Just a straight blend would be kind of pointless to me, its the idea of the folks at each brewery tweaking the others recipe to try and make something that will blend well that interests me enough to grab a can if I see it
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  29. mambossa

    mambossa Aspirant (248) Jun 30, 2015 Ohio

    I understand it’s not straight blends, but coffee has as much of a hard time belonging in a Belgian Quad as an imperial stout does taking a Belgian yeast. Neither seem easy to pull off on paper, even for the best brewers. That’s just my opinionated ass about two beers I’ve never tried before.
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  30. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Poo-Bah (1,558) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    That's fair. I'm going into it fully ready to be disappointed. But I like the concept. Also, I would love if both versions were available to compare them.
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  31. eldoctorador

    eldoctorador Crusader (783) Dec 12, 2014 Chile

    I think it's way more interesting how they are doing it. Straight up blending Speedway and Three Philosophers is something you could do at home
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  32. BruChef

    BruChef Aspirant (223) Nov 8, 2009 New York

    Black Albert and the rest of the gang at De Struise say hello.
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  33. mambossa

    mambossa Aspirant (248) Jun 30, 2015 Ohio

    never said the style wasn’t good or impossible! I understand Belgian yeast is a little on the finnicky side with stalling out midway through fermentation. Weyerbacher Tiny is one of my all time stouts!
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  34. BruChef

    BruChef Aspirant (223) Nov 8, 2009 New York

    I knew what you meant. Just had to throw that out there :wink: All my experience (Albeit A small sample size) with Belgian yeast has been the opposite. Always aggressive and attenuative.
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  35. mambossa

    mambossa Aspirant (248) Jun 30, 2015 Ohio

    Kinda makes me sad I haven’t seen Black Albert around my area! Belgo stout is one of the lesser common styles that, when it’s done well, it’s blindingly good.

    I think the yeast might have a hard time with higher gravity wort and may need a second wind sometimes from what I’ve heard (probably more common in homebrewing). I can’t imagine it really likes all the complex specialty malts in a stout either.
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  36. BruChef

    BruChef Aspirant (223) Nov 8, 2009 New York

    Agreed. I miss Black Albert and Cuvee Delphine too for that matter.
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  37. bret27

    bret27 Meyvn (1,196) Mar 10, 2009 California

    Sounds very “interesting”. Definitely one I’d wait and see what other people think before I buy for myself.
  38. Beer_Stan

    Beer_Stan Initiate (166) Mar 15, 2014 California

    Had them both and I thought they were both great, As I expected, one was more Stout heavy and the other more Quad heavy. Will have again.
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  39. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Poo-Bah (1,558) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    Which was which?
  40. maxpower

    maxpower Poo-Bah (1,732) Jan 26, 2002 Missouri

    I will have to seek this one out!