Onion/garlic flavor in IPA's, Summit Hops?

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  1. JustinLetwinsky

    JustinLetwinsky Initiate (0) Jun 24, 2012 Maryland

    You're not crazy... I specifically googled "Hop Stoopid Onion Flavor" and it brought me here. I still enjoy Hop Stoopid, but it does have the Onion hint to it. By the way, I thought it was cool you mentioned "Sculpin" and "Pliny" as your "go to" IPA's cuz those are my favorites as well. Victory Hop Wallop and Stone Ruination are not too far behind.
     
  2. sixerofelixir

    sixerofelixir Initiate (0) Oct 27, 2009 Ohio

    Gubna 4+ months after canning:
    Smell is honey & alcohol. At first sip, I'm surprised how present the hops are. A lingering, spicy aftertaste (this is the aspect of Summit hops that reminds me of onions, though the rye is at play here as well).. high viscosity feel..nice overall balance.. holding up very well!
     
  3. MichiBrew

    MichiBrew Initiate (107) Nov 26, 2010 Michigan

    Double Crooked Tree? Really? Hmmm...thats one of my all time favorites and have never noticed the summit flavor...not sure there are summit hops in there anyway...its more malty-ripe citrusy to me...DD is def the king of this flavor although I enjoy one every once in awhile...
     
  4. MichiBrew

    MichiBrew Initiate (107) Nov 26, 2010 Michigan

    Dont worry...if its aged it becomes a citrusy barleywine...very, very tasty...no onion/garlic...
     
  5. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico

    Reviving this thread and replying to this specific comment because I've had 4-5 Daytime IPAs in the last few days. I'm getting a lot of that onion flavor. I hadn't noticed it in other Lagunitas beers, but it's very apparent in this beer. It doesn't necessarily ruin the beer, but it does strike me as odd. I prefer pineyness, weed, and citrus over onion though.
     
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  6. fatsnowman22

    fatsnowman22 Initiate (123) Feb 2, 2011 Nevada

    Always prefer weed over onions :slight_smile:
     
  7. PSU_Mike

    PSU_Mike Champion (865) Sep 6, 2013 Pennsylvania

    I got quite a bit from Hop Ranch and I know I am not the only one. Still loved the beer though.
     
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  8. dcw6363

    dcw6363 Initiate (76) Nov 11, 2009 Wisconsin
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    The green onion thing is a big problem for me. The sad part is I think it's developed over time. The first time I tried Hop Whoopin' from O'So, I loved it. But then the following year, it was pretty much undrinkable for me.

    So far the known culprits for me are summit and citra hops. The freshness could have something to do with it, as others have noted. I had Pseudo Sue on tap when it was quite young, and the green onions were overpowering. I had some PS from a bomber that was a month old, and it was much better.

    I have found it to be very heavy in Hop Stoopid, Hop Whoopin', Green Flash (forget which one). Zombie Dust as well. I can't really drink these anymore. :slight_frown:

    In some IPAs I detect a little onion, but it's not enough to make me dislike the beer. Pliny, Scream. Or maybe they were just a little more aged, I don't know.

    In Two Hearted, I detect none whatsoever, even when fresh. If I ever start tasting it in TH I am going to be very upset.
     
  9. Masters

    Masters Zealot (559) Mar 7, 2014 Massachusetts

    So weird, I have never referred to a hop flavor as an onion or garlic. I don't get it
     
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  10. jplopez21

    jplopez21 Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2012 Illinois

    I usually get onion flavor from sorachi ace.
     
  11. DVoors

    DVoors Initiate (160) Jan 6, 2014 Indiana

    I recently tried Victory Hop Ranch for the first time, and the onion/garlic aroma and flavor were so strong and overpowering that I couldn't finish it. I had to pour it out. I've never noticed it in Hop Stoopid or Zombie Dust though. I know that Summit, Apollo, Mosaic, Belmont, and CTZ all have the potential to impart onion and garlic flavors.
     
  12. Guzzle_McBrew

    Guzzle_McBrew Initiate (0) Feb 17, 2014 Connecticut

    what about Onion the Wings of Armageddon?

    I get it on Gubna, too. Falconer's Flight hops in large doses tastes to me like a 420 Onion.
     
  13. breadwinner

    breadwinner Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2014 California

    The February batch of Stone Enjoy By was teeming with it, and I get it pretty noticeably in Go To as well. At first, I found the note very unappealing, but I'm finding that, when in moderation, I actually enjoy it. "Savory" is the word I've ended up using to describe it. It can be a nice break from the usual grapefruit and citrus pith, or, even worse, excessive reliance on Citra hops and other fruit-salad type varieties. IMO, of course:slight_smile:
     
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  14. Guzzle_McBrew

    Guzzle_McBrew Initiate (0) Feb 17, 2014 Connecticut

  15. BltByKrmn

    BltByKrmn Defender (669) Jan 16, 2013 New York

    I'm so glad I'm not the only one, I was starting to think I was crazy.

    Enjoy By 12/26 was undrinkable for me the onion kick was out of control.

    I tried War Elephant tonight and while it was amazing at first, as it warmed the onion became unbearable.
     
  16. 57md

    57md Poo-Bah (3,479) Aug 22, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    Gotta say that I never experienced an essence of onion in any IPA. I know that many claim to have found such a flavor but it is clearly lost on me.
     
  17. spitshaded

    spitshaded Initiate (0) Nov 12, 2012 Virginia

    Green Bullet smelled & tasted like straight up garlic to me. Never had that much of an effect on me before from any other beer.
     
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  18. cmgray03

    cmgray03 Initiate (0) Dec 28, 2012 Colorado

    PsuedoSue is the one IPA that I've had that the onion flavor was so overwhelming that I had a hard time enjoying it.
     
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  19. MistahBeah

    MistahBeah Initiate (0) May 12, 2013 Massachusetts

    Agree with onion flavors in Stone Enjoy By. Also picked up a lot of vegetation from Port Hop

    On the subject of Simcoe, I notice a plastic or rubbery flavor that I find off-putting. Not in every Simcoe-hopped beer I've had, mind you, but definitely in most Simcoe-forward brews. Especially All Day
     
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  20. MistahBeah

    MistahBeah Initiate (0) May 12, 2013 Massachusetts

    Sorry Port Hop 15
     
  21. nc41

    nc41 Poo-Bah (2,771) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I had a 12-26 while not m favorite bottling I didn't get any onion from it. Old cannings of Gubna were onion, haven't had it recently though.
     
  22. Masters

    Masters Zealot (559) Mar 7, 2014 Massachusetts

    Too bad I have never tasted onion or garlic in my IPA. I would deff have used to for a base for my chicken already :slight_frown:
     
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  23. bluehende

    bluehende Poo-Bah (2,440) Dec 10, 2010 Delaware
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    When I was a brand new home brewer I bought a big batch of hops that included summit. I was afraid to use them because of the garlic reports. On homebrewtalk.com there was a big discussion about this phenomenon. In that thread many people blamed the timing of the addition. Early additions did not seem to have the problem and late additions did not either. It seemed to be centered on the mid additions around the 30 minute range. I did not confirm this with my batch of summit. I used it for all late addition and dry hopping. All I had was beautiful pineapple tangerine flavors. I will say that I have tasted the garlic and onions in some IPA's, but would not consider me highly attuned to them.
     
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  24. TylerKitchens

    TylerKitchens Aspirant (270) Apr 9, 2014 Massachusetts
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    You are in MA...pick up a Hopulence DIPA from Wormtown Brewing Co. and let the games begin!

    Stupid amount of oniony hop flavors, at least the batch I had.
     
  25. Tilley4

    Tilley4 Poo-Bah (2,523) Nov 13, 2007 Tennessee
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    The first time I had 12-26, I didn't notice it at all... Finished a second growler of it a couple of nights ago and it was like drinking Funyuns.... Really grew tiresome by the end... Almost like a different beer but came from same keg... It was strange...
     
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  26. PlatonicOtterLuv

    PlatonicOtterLuv Initiate (104) Oct 23, 2014 Minnesota
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    Surprised that Maine Dinner hasn't been mentioned yet. That was far and away the most ridiculous "green onion" IPA I've ever had. It was on tap at the brewery, so I'm certain it was fresh and the brewers intent. Still an excellent balance otherwise, and just as clean as their other hoppy ales. Oddly enough - no summit hops, but as others have pointed out, that's not the only onion/garlic culprit.

    Anyone know what would impart the onion in Dinner? Has Citra, Falconer’s Flight, Mosaic & Simcoe.
     
  27. TylerKitchens

    TylerKitchens Aspirant (270) Apr 9, 2014 Massachusetts
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    Has to be FF. Mosaic and Simcoe are more Piney while Citra is, well citrusy. Could also be a combination of hop varietals acting together or different addition time and durations. Lots of variables to consider.
     
  28. Sarge3130

    Sarge3130 Initiate (0) May 13, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Maine Brewing's Dinner was an absolute onion bomb.
     
  29. TylerKitchens

    TylerKitchens Aspirant (270) Apr 9, 2014 Massachusetts
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    Just confirmed that Hopulence from Wormtown does in fact have Summit hops which now makes perfect sense.
     
  30. Beertsipper

    Beertsipper Defender (606) Nov 18, 2008 New York

    I loved Dinner. Probably my favorite DIPA. But I just couldn't stand Gubna. I had it a couple of years ago, but I understand the recipe has changed?
     
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  31. elkabong

    elkabong Initiate (0) Apr 1, 2014 Wisconsin

    same for me
     
  32. ChrisinRI

    ChrisinRI Initiate (0) May 5, 2014 Rhode Island

    This year's Double Dose was an onion bomb, IMO.
     
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  33. bluehende

    bluehende Poo-Bah (2,440) Dec 10, 2010 Delaware
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    I was trying to think which IPA I had that definitely had that oniony taste and that was it. Not totally unpleasant to me, but kept it from being the wow beer I expected.
     
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  34. readyski

    readyski Defender (606) Jun 4, 2005 California
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    Not on your Bratwurst you don't :wink:
    I have also tasted the onion/garlic thing (Gubna comes to mind) It too has it's place.
     
  35. charlzm

    charlzm Poo-Bah (2,464) Sep 3, 2007 California
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    If someone wanted to make (to me) the most repulsive tasting IPA, they would use solely Simcoe and Summit. Cat piss, garlic and onions. MMM-mm!
     
  36. Beertsipper

    Beertsipper Defender (606) Nov 18, 2008 New York

    Had a Devil Dancer today. Drank it over a 45 minute span. I detected no onion flavors. Even as it warmed. It was a 4 month old bottle. Heavy on the booze, chalky, dark and tropical fruits, but no onion as others have observed. More like a barleywine. I'd like to try this beer with 2-3 years on it.
     
  37. Southerndiscomfort

    Southerndiscomfort Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 North Carolina

    To me it's like that oniony weed ya get sometimes. It's nice on occasion but who doesn't want that fruity shit.
     
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  38. TylerKitchens

    TylerKitchens Aspirant (270) Apr 9, 2014 Massachusetts
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    I've heard horror stories about trying to age Devil Dancer...you have been warned, best fresh
     
  39. MisSigsFan

    MisSigsFan Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2013 California

    Deep River from Knee Deep/Kern River had a lot of that onion/garlic flavor last time I had it. I actually don't mind it.
     
  40. Beertsipper

    Beertsipper Defender (606) Nov 18, 2008 New York

    Please, do tell...
     
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