Open Letter To "Beer Snob" Backlash

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by GregoryVII, Mar 25, 2013.

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  1. GregoryVII

    GregoryVII Initiate (0) Jan 30, 2006 Michigan

    Beer geekery good. Beer snobbery bad. One invites and educates; the other looks down and ridicules. It’s easy to understand why there is backlash to snobbery. The issue is that the backlash recently has become less discerning at times than the snobbery it wishes to condemn. Increasingly the backlash seems to be turning on advocacy.

    There was an outcry recently over the Brewers Association’s List of Domestic Non-Craft Brewers. A lot of it centered around August Schell being listed as non-traditional. They are family owned and independent, so I am sympathetic to the outrage on that point. But there was also a lot of anger in general at the Brewers Association trying to define craft at all. The overriding sentiment lately has been “I will drink what is good regardless of who brews it” which was also a popular statement when ABInBev acquired Goose Island. So long as the beer quality doesn’t suffer, who cares, right? Stop being such a snob.

    But something about that just doesn’t mesh. I was reading Ken Grossman’s introduction to “For the Love of Hops” last night and I came across a statement that I have read/heard many times from beer writers, brewers, enthusiasts who lived before the first wave of craft beer and diversity. He spoke briefly of the homogenized world of no options beer in the United States in the days before he opened his first homebrew store. A large percentage of us on Beer Advocate were not of legal drinking age before that first big wave of craft brewing in the 1990s. And even for those who were, we're talking almost 30 years since that wasteland was at its bleakest. I feel like it is a little (and yes, this is tongue in cheek) like those who lived through the great depression. Their children and grandchildren never got it.

    Guys like Ken Grossman, Jack McAuliffe, Fritz Maytag, Bert Grant, Jim Koch, Larry Bell and others put their lives into making good beer that wasn’t available before they started providing it. Did they want to make money? Obviously. But they also wanted to make good beer. Not consistent beer. Not beer that people would buy. They wanted to make flavorful beer that provided options and choices to their consumers. That was a conscious part of what they did. And it has been ingrained in the craft brewing industry ever since.

    Even if ABInBev makes amazing beer (and they actually do own some very good brands in their portfolio) they are focused solely on profit. This doesn’t make them evil, nefarious villains twirling their mustaches, but it doesn’t change their focus either. The response might be if they don’t make good beer, stop buying it. Vote with your dollars. I think this mindset makes the assumption that good craft beer choices will always be there. I get that we have a ridiculous saturation of craft breweries out there. But it still accounts for only 6% of domestic beer sales. The weight still resides with the big guys. And the big guys don’t care about flavorful beer. They care about profit.

    So, in order to ensure that I continue to have the flavorful beer options that I have been spoiled on in my drinking life I appreciate knowing who is making my beer. And, yes, Miller Coors and ABInBev are being deliberately deceptive when it comes to marketing Blue Moon, Shock Top and the like. And, yes, even if they were both world class tasting beers, it still matters who makes them. The Brewers Association’s list was meant to educate consumers so that they can make informed choices. In that sense, the amount of backlash was unwarranted. The recent write in to Beer Advocate magazine oozing with mockery was unwarranted.

    Nobody likes a beer snob. I get it. But beer advocacy requires advocacy. If you’re a proponent of drinking local, drinking independent, drinking flavorful beer you should be allowed to advocate without instantly being labeled a snob. Let’s not throw the baby out with the beer…or just not throw the beer out…don’t throw either out. Drink the beer.
     
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  2. jRocco2021

    jRocco2021 Savant (1,083) Mar 13, 2010 Wisconsin

    I don't wanna go on a rant here but....
     
  3. Jake1605

    Jake1605 Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2009 Missouri

    I consider myself an active beer enthusiast.
     
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  4. Highbrow

    Highbrow Pooh-Bah (1,758) Jan 7, 2011 California
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    beer novice here. . .
     
  5. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,553) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    I think guys like Ken Grossman, Jack McAuliffe, Fritz Maytag, Bert Grant, Jim Koch, Larry Bell and others wanted to make good, consistent, flavorful beer that people would buy.
     
  6. Frankinstiener

    Frankinstiener Initiate (0) Jul 28, 2009 Illinois

    I hope that all BA's who refuse to buy beer from AB Inbev know what is in their 401k's, which mutual funds they are invested in, and the stocks that those mutual funds own. Some of you may be refusing to buy beer from your self. A lot of the largest mutual funds own a bit of BUD stock.

    That said, I will drink what is good regardless of who brews it. To buy based on the morality, plans, actions, & allocations of profits of each brewery, its owners, and employees would require much more knowledge than is available to me. I don't know if a craft brewer is purposely doing everything right, & making great beer but plans to sell to AB Inbev for profits upon retirement, just like I don't know if their using profits from their brewery to fund some politcal cause that I am opposed to, or an illegal gambling ring, I don't know if the brewer beats his kids or his wife, or if he has dead bodies buried in his back yard. I do like to do business (including buying beer) from people I know and trust, but you can't do that 100% of the time. I don't have time to investigate and learn everything there is to know about the owners of all the companies I buy product from . The evil AB Inbev employs thousands of people around the world, donates lots of money to good cause, and is owned (albeit in small amounts) by your neighbors & co workers, along with some rich suits that are only in it for the money. But to make money brewers are required to give the consumers what they want, whether that's low flavor, low calorie beer, or great beer. The only thing a brewer has to do to get my business I brew good beer and sell it for a reasonable price.
     
  7. smartassboiler

    smartassboiler Pooh-Bah (2,494) Apr 9, 2012 Illinois
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  8. mscott1975

    mscott1975 Zealot (674) Feb 19, 2011 Pennsylvania

    When I graduated from college my first job was selling wine for E&J Gallo wineries. What I learned about wine can be applied to this situation. You'd think that wine enthusiasts would turn their noses up at fruity wine like Arbor Mist or Boones Farm or of wine like Franzia, when in fact the wine industry looks as these wines as 'starter' wines or 'bridge' wines. The home of the wine makers is that people will eventually trade up to more 'sophisticated' wines.

    That being said, I think InBev and the rest of the big boys getting in to craft beer is an amazing opportunity for everyone involved in the craft beer industry. With their markeing budgets and brand loyalist it can only bring more attention to craft beer in general As the saying goes, a rising sea lifts all boats. My point is that BMC is potentially bringing millions of new customers to the craft beer party. My prediction is that these BMC craft brews will act as a bridge beer to more traditional craft beers and brewers. In the end, everyone wins.
     
  9. Frankinstiener

    Frankinstiener Initiate (0) Jul 28, 2009 Illinois

    What if a brewer who is it for the love of the game and wants to do everything in his power to make great beer and expand the craft beer movement can't get the funding to start a brewery and turns to a venture capitalist for the funds? The venture capitalist has no say in anything the brewer does and has no managment power, and is solely in it for the money. He expects his capital to eventually be repaid plus interest. Is it okay to buy from them? In many cases you wouldn't even know becuase with a privatly held company they do not have to disclose this, just like they don't have to disclose if the venture capitalist is a crooked business man or politician. What if a completly indendent craft brewer wants to expand but cannot find the capital to expand at the rate he wanted to, so decieds to sell 1/3 of his business to Miller Coors to fund the expanion. What if the owner of a completly independant craft brewery who does everything else right, is illegaly giving money under the table to a crooked politician in exchange for some sort of lobying, or leniency, or government subsidy on a new brewpub location.

    My point is you don't know everything about the owners of every brewery or what they do with their money, so stop worrying about it.
     
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  10. willbm3

    willbm3 Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2010 Massachusetts

    Why should beer be different than other products you purchase? I hate to break it to you, but pretty much every product in your home is produced by a company that is focused solely on profit. Do you think the guys who make all the electronics in your home are passionate about electronics, or are they just trying to make money by selling products people want to buy? How about P&G? They're pretty focused on profit. Do you think you can get by without the thousands of products they make? Drink what you want, but please get off your high horse.

    Also, please don't buy any Goose Island products. Leave them for me.
     
  11. Stugotzo

    Stugotzo Initiate (0) Jun 13, 2012 Florida

    And any good fund manager worth his salt will dump that InBev stock from the fund portfolio well before it tanks, and replace it with better stocks.... perhaps even some stock in DFH or SN, after their IPO(s). :wink:
     
  12. Frankinstiener

    Frankinstiener Initiate (0) Jul 28, 2009 Illinois

    Them damn fund managers are only in it for the profit!! Boycott all mutual funds!

    SN IPO? Only in my dreams.
     
  13. kzoobrew

    kzoobrew Initiate (0) May 8, 2006 Michigan

    But we are still allowed to worry about what we do know about right? We don't have to agree with it either do we? I just wanted to make sure.
     
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  14. kemoarps

    kemoarps Grand Pooh-Bah (3,232) Apr 30, 2008 New York
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    methinks a lot of people missed the OPs original point...
     
  15. GregoryVII

    GregoryVII Initiate (0) Jan 30, 2006 Michigan

    My point about the list is that it wasn't telling people what to buy. It was an attempt at educating consumers on who is producing the products they buy. Education is not automatically snobbery. As for the comparison to electronics, a beer to me is not the same as my television which is largely a utilitarian product. I may be passionate about the content I watch on my tv, but beyond it being large and with a clear picture I don't much care about the television itself. There aren't many advocacy websites out there for tv brands/models. To me beer is an inherently different product than most of what I purchase. It is a craft that I am passionate about. I enjoy going to beer festivals and small breweries, love the opportunity to meet the brewers and owners and hear their stories. It is not a utilitarian product for me. If it is for you, that's fine. Just don't call me a snob because I look at it differently.
     
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  16. Frankinstiener

    Frankinstiener Initiate (0) Jul 28, 2009 Illinois

    Worrying is like paying on a debt that may never come due.
     
  17. kzoobrew

    kzoobrew Initiate (0) May 8, 2006 Michigan

    Let's put it another way that makes it more difficult to dance around the answer.

    We are still able to object to practices we know about and do not approve of? Just because we do not know the details does not mean we should ignore what we do know about. Now you do not have to have the same objections I do, but I can still have objections.
     
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  18. anfield86

    anfield86 Pooh-Bah (2,606) Nov 21, 2006 New Jersey
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    I just like beer. Simple as that.
     
  19. Frankinstiener

    Frankinstiener Initiate (0) Jul 28, 2009 Illinois

    Yes, you are still able to worry about whatever you want and object to practices that you do not approve of. Did you really need me to answer that? I am just in the opinion that I know an amout less than needed to make a decision on whether or not I want to buy beer based on the ownership and their decisions. I haven't read the Goose Island buyout agreement, I don't know exactly which parts of the brewing, decision making process, or any other aspect of the business changed hands, or how much the beer will change. I know they didn't cut the beer with half water yet and it still tastes good. I don't plan on doing the proper research to find this out about them or any other brewer.
     
  20. willbm3

    willbm3 Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2010 Massachusetts

    Do music snobs whine if their favorite artists are published by Sony/Universal/Warner? Who cares who makes (or publishes) it as long as it is a good product? I'm passionate about beer...not to the point that my life revolves around it, but it is a hobby I enjoy. I only care about the taste and quality of the beer I drink, not who makes it.
     
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