Open Letter to Senator Carona

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  1. ExperimentalAles

    ExperimentalAles Devotee (357) May 24, 2012 Texas

    Hello all. I wrote this letter a few weeks ago and sent it to Senator Carona on November 25. I heard no response, and do not except he took the time to read it. If you would please. Offer some constructive criticism on the letter and perhaps we can revise this and send it out as a letter from our community to all of our state senators. It is my opinion when something doesn't make sense you need to stand up and say something about it.

    -Eric

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    Senator Carona,

    I am a XXXXXXXXX working at XXXXXXX in XXXXXX. I am also a craft beer consumer. The following was written off the top of my head for you alone.

    I am still profoundly disappointed in your decision to bind CSSB 639 to CSSB 515-518 instead of letting each piece of legislation stand on its own. I believe this decision took money out of the pockets of hard working small businesses and put money into the pockets of big business middlemen (the distributors). I believe your judgement in this regard was clouded by the money the distributors have paid to your campaign. You caused great damage to breweries across the state and discouraged new breweries from opening.

    Craft beer is exploding in popularity in the United Stated. We now have the most rich beer culture in the world. If an individual is interested in craft beer as a hobby or interest then it is a travesty for them to live anywhere except for the United States; they have to resort to international shipping charges to try the best beers in the world. Other countries looks to us for innovative and amazing new beers. Texas can and should be at the forefront of this movement. We are known for our open markets and fair taxes, however there are special laws in place that specifically target craft breweries and hamper their growth.

    Does anyone have answers to these questions:

    1. Why should breweries not be allowed to sell beer to any business or individual they please?
    What is the down side to allowing a brewery to make all the beer they want and sell it to a nearby store, a nearby restaurant, or an of-age customer who comes into their brewery. To say you "are a supporter of the three tier system" is to say you support useless restriction. How does forcing breweries to use a middleman benefit the customer or benefit the consumer? Why would not allow breweries to make their own decision regarding distribution? Where the downside?

    2. Why should breweries not be allowed to open a restaurant at their brewery?
    The following is a short list of a few breweries that distributes to Texas from out of state and competing with our local breweries:

    Bear Republic Brewing Company, Lagunitas Brewing Company, Hogshead Brewpub, Victory Brewing Company, Deschutes Brewery, Goose Island Brewing Company, Elysian Brewing Company, Dogfishhead Brewing, Founder Brewing Company, Magnolia Brewery.

    Each of these breweries has a restaurant at their brewery. These restaurants are a huge source of revenue for the brewery and give them a competitive advantage over a similar brewery who is in Texas. None of the breweries on this last make a small enough amount of beer to be a distributing brewpub in Texas. It does not seem right that you would support this injustice. Give Texas breweries the same freedoms other states enjoy. Or give them even more freedom and watch as more and more small businesses (breweries/brewpubs) are opened in Texas. What harm could come from allowing production breweries to open a restaurant at their brewery?

    3. Why should Texas have a special beer label approval system?
    The federal government already approves beer labels. The Federal Government's approval is enough for most other states, why is it not good enough for Texas? Who is the second layer of approval benefiting? Who would be harmed if the second layer of approval were abolished? The federal government's approval is pretty strict. Also, children are not allowed in liquor stores and should never see the labels. What is the danger here? Craft breweries who make many different small batches of beer during the year have to go through the expensive and time consuming process of getting both federal and state label approval, and it serves no purpose. The second layer of label approval at the state level gives a competitive advantage to out-of-state breweries and punishes breweries who choose to make many small batches instead of a large amount of the same old thing. Variety is the beer drinker's spice of life and this law is crushing the incentive to provide variety.

    I would truly appreciate an answer to my 3 questions. I in all honesty do not know what the other side of the argument is. If you support the three tier system, restrictions on brewpubs, and a state level label approval can you defend them?

    Thank you for you time,
    XXXXXXXXXX"
     
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  2. air

    air Zealot (671) Mar 28, 2007 Texas

    Have someone proofread next time :wink:

    Agree all in all though. I feel like vomiting any time I see one of his campaign ads on my commute.
     
  3. Indytruks138

    Indytruks138 Initiate (0) Jun 28, 2013 Texas

    I love the idea Eric, i would reach out to Open the Taps and see hwo they can help make this a push. I support all changes you are suggesting.
     
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  4. FreetailBrewing

    FreetailBrewing Initiate (0) Jun 23, 2007 Texas

    If I can chime in, you have some factual inaccuracies in your letter that I think are important.

    On #2. There is nothing stopping a Texas Brewery from opening a restaurant at their brewery. Saint Arnold, for example, has a restaurant at theirs.

    On #3. Federal label approval is not required for any brewery who doesn't ship their beer out of state (which is most Texas breweries). So, for many Texas brewers, TABC Label Approval is the only label approval they get. I don't see how TABC label approval gives out-of-state breweries a competitive advantage, they are required to go through the same TABC label approval process as an in-state brewery.

    In regards to #1, even as a craft brewer I support some form of a three-tier system. What I don't support is a strict, rigid three-tier system. There are many more changes I'd like to see made with the Alcoholic Beverage Code, but completely dismantling the three-tier system is not one of them.

    Scott
     
  5. Lutter

    Lutter Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2010 Texas

    I still think without Carona authoring SB639 and placating the 2nd tier of Distributors, we'd still be where we were last year. Without compromise the bills would have not passed.... and while gray area of direct payment of distributor to brewery may have been closed by this bill, it also left the door open for non-direct monetary incentives (promotion, equipment, etc...)

    So leave the dude alone. More pavement will be moved in 2014 partially thanks to his efforts.... unpopular as they may be.

    The biggest areas that now need improvement are local zoning for brewpubs and tiered/festival licensing for out of state breweries. As the industry expands... you can add production limits to that list.

    Just my opinion.
     
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  6. ExperimentalAles

    ExperimentalAles Devotee (357) May 24, 2012 Texas

    I am obviously be no means an expert, but from my point of view their seems to be some frustrating rules in Texas that other states do not have. This letter just may not accurately describe what those things yet. This thread will be a learning process for me.

    Scott, thanks for the response. I definitely learned some things.

    On #2. I guess they are allowed to open a restaurant, but not sell their beer at that restaurant? Is that right?

    On #3. I had thought the feds looked at all labels; guess that is not right. Then why do people/brewers always complain about TABC label approval? Is it because the TABC is just more expensive, slower, and more strict than other states?

    On #1. What is the advantage of a legally mandated three-tier system? If breweries want to hire a distributor then by all means they should be able to, but what is the propose of forcing them to do so? I honestly don't know.
     
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  7. Lutter

    Lutter Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2010 Texas

    Since the new laws passed... production breweries under 225,000 barrels (so, all of them besides BMC) can serve up to 5,000 barrels of beer for on-site consumption to the ultimate consumer. Before only free "samples" were allowed to be served. St. Arnold has a restaurant. Other breweries choose to just chose to have taprooms.

    Zoning is a big issue with this right now, however... so Austin production breweries still have to follow the "free sample with glass" routine until that is resolved.
     
  8. Lutter

    Lutter Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2010 Texas

    Breweries can actually self-distribute to a certain amount.

    Austin Beerworks is the largest self-distributed brewery in the state, iirc. They're between 5k - 10k barrels/year. (512) also self distributes and Jester King did so locally until recently.... just for a few examples.

    There are limits to how much you can self-distribute, but I'm too lazy to look them up right now.
     
  9. aschwab

    aschwab Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2009 Texas

    News to me that they distribute here (hint: they don't).

    Use Oskar Blues, Breckenridge, and Abita instead.
     
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  10. blatherbeard

    blatherbeard Initiate (0) Sep 30, 2007 Texas

    My guess is he meant LAZY magnolia brewery(which i think their southern pecan is god awful)
     
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  11. Lutter

    Lutter Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2010 Texas

    Hogshead also doesn't have food (I've been there) AND doesn't distro in Texas, lol.
     
  12. TTUJohn

    TTUJohn Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2012 Texas

    Avery does if you want another example of food + distro's to Texas. I think Stone does as well
     
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  13. ATA1K

    ATA1K Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2013 Texas

    This is a little over my head, but where does shipping beer to Texas fit into this, if at all... Like ordering online, or shipping beer through FedEx or what not. I know you can, but I would like to be able to order online...

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    Im guessing it doesnt really fit in at all, since this is mainly focused on helping Texas breweries flourish, which I support!
     
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  14. FreetailBrewing

    FreetailBrewing Initiate (0) Jun 23, 2007 Texas

    Well, only in regards to the Manufacturer-Distributor relationship, what if A-B & MillerCoors decided they wanted to own their own distribution system? A lot of craft beer gets moved around on the back of trucks that are filled with A-B & MillerCoors products. A saying I've been hearing a lot more of recently is "It's A-B/MillerCoors beer that pays for the truck to distribute craft beer" and it many senses it is true. If the mega-brewers owned their own distribution systems, then craft beer would take a hit (note: in some states, A-B DOES in fact own their own distribution system, and some competitors have emerged. Megabrewers owning their own distro networks isn't an Armageddon scenario, but it would put a big dent in Texas Craft beer overnight that would take quite a while to recover from).

    As Lutter pointed out, small breweries (those under 125,000 barrels, so every TX brewery but A-B, MillerCoors, and Shiner) aren't required to sign-up with a distributor. They can self-distribute up to 40,000 barrels. I've yet to be presented with a scenario in which someone thinks they can self-distribute more than that (but that isn't to say it can't be done). I support some form of a three-tier system, but these are the kind of exceptions to it that make it work. A rigid three-tier system doesn't work with the modern beer world with literally thousands of suppliers with multiple product lines. These exceptions need to exist and be continually updated to keep up with the changing market.

    A bigger deal with three-tier, which I also support, is preventing large players from owning the retail market. Three-tier not only deals witht he Manufacturer-Distributor relationship, but also the relationship between Manufacturers, Distributors and Retailers. These are important as they allow retailers to remain independent and offer whatever beers they want (and ultimately, the market tells them). The alternative would be tied-house arrangements where you'd go to a "Bud Bar" where all they served was Bud. At the Miller Bar, you only got Miller. There would still be craft-centric multi-tap bars, but they would much more scarce.

    This is all just a brief nutshell of the case, and this could easily be a multi-page discussion (or multi-hour, if we were sitting next to each other at a pub). I'll try to chime in where I can.
     
  15. ExperimentalAles

    ExperimentalAles Devotee (357) May 24, 2012 Texas

    My first draft at the start of this thread may be too shitty to use as a starting point, but if someone wants to make their own version maybe we can get more of the community behind it.

    Summary of responses so far:

    Air (1): general support; pointing out of spelling & grammar errors
    Indytrucks123(1): general support
    Freetail(2): Tons of helpful info and clarification. Plus a defense of the 3 tier system
    Lutter(4): opposition to writing a letter to Carona, and defense of Carona. Info about on-site beer sales. Info about small breweries being allowed to self distribute. Clarification on Texas distro and out of state brewpubs.
    aschwab(1):Clarification on Texas distro and out of state brewpubs
    blatherbeard(1): Clarification on Texas distro and out of state brewpubs
    TTUJohn(1): Addition to Texas distro out of state brewpubs
    ATA1K(1): Interest in adding discussion about Texas beer shipping laws
     
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  16. FreetailBrewing

    FreetailBrewing Initiate (0) Jun 23, 2007 Texas

    Eric, if you don't mind me asking, what are you trying to accomplish with this letter? I'd recommend talking to the folks at Open The Taps, who are one of the best organized consumer groups I've encountered in terms of mobilization and lobbying at the Capitol. My personal opinion is that a letter writing campaign isn't going to have much effect and that you are better off working with a group like OTT to get your message across.

    Full disclosure: while myself and my brewery cohorts may have overlapping interests as consumers, sometimes they are different. Make no mistake: I represent the interests of my industry, which may not always perfectly align with the interests of consumers. Historically they have, but they might not always (not saying I know of some issue where we are going to be divided, just pointing out the dividing line between a group like OTT and the Texas Craft Brewers Guild).
     
  17. air

    air Zealot (671) Mar 28, 2007 Texas

    Yep, if you're wanting to make an impact, Dallas doesn't have much of an OTT presence compared to Houston/Austin. Beefing that up locally would be a huge boost. Eric - you should totally step up to the plate and take charge.
     
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  18. ExperimentalAles

    ExperimentalAles Devotee (357) May 24, 2012 Texas

    Scott,

    When I sit around with other beer drinking or brewers (in or out of state) they always talk about the unfair restrictions breweries face in Texas compared to some other states. Is this wrong? If it is not wrong then I think there is work to be done by all of us in Texas. I do not deal with these issues on a daily basis as you do Scott, so I can not articulate as well as you can what exactly those unfair restrictions are.

    What steps can be taken to make it easier for new breweries to get started and thrive in Texas?
    Why is it that breweries in Texas do not have onsite brewpubs like Russian River or Three Floyd's?
    What are the differences between TABC's label approval system and other better working systems?
    What is the next step for breweries and consumers in Texas?

    It is my goal here to understand the answer to these questions and to support legislative change that would enable more and better breweries and beer.
     
  19. FreetailBrewing

    FreetailBrewing Initiate (0) Jun 23, 2007 Texas

    Eric, to directly answer your questions:

    1. What steps can be taken to make it easier for new breweries to get started and thrive in Texas?

    We just took a bunch of steps by passing laws to allow breweries to sell directly to consumers at their tap room and to allow brewpubs to distribute. These took effect in June of this year.

    2. Why is it that breweries in Texas do not have onsite brewpubs like Russian River or Three Floyd's?

    Until this past June, it didn't make sense for them to do so, because they couldn't sell beer at them. Now they can. Saint Arnold has a restaurant, Karbach is including one in their expansion plans, Community in Dallas is building a cool new tap room just to name a few things. The law has been in effect 2 days short of 6 months. Give it some time.

    3. What are the differences between TABC's label approval system and other better working systems?

    In my opinion there isn't a problem with TABC's label approval system. The only problem right now is that they are understaffed and have a massive influx of new labels with all the breweries coming to Texas and new Texas breweries opening. It will get sorted out. Patience.

    4. What is the next step for breweries and consumers in Texas?

    What do you want the next step to be? Another good reason to talk to a group like Open The Taps.

    Scott
     
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  20. ExperimentalAles

    ExperimentalAles Devotee (357) May 24, 2012 Texas

    Scott and Lutter,

    Do you believe the beer community is wrong in their consensus that Texas beer laws are too restrictive and need to be improved?
     
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