Discussion in 'US - West' started by weaverr, Jan 3, 2020.
Rough, but I'd probably pay it once if I run across them.
I recommend you do, at least for Focal Banger, which I think is a better beer than Heady Topper.
Personally, I go back and forth on which is my favorite. They're both pretty good IPA/DIPA's IMHO.
I think they're both great. Good change of pace IMO.
Wonder if we'll get more drops in the future? I'm trying to stick to delivery or curbside pickup only if I can help it.
I see 16 oz cans of DIPAs floating around $5 (sometimes more) all the time around Portland. and these are local-ish breweries that arent coming form across the country. Rough to me would be anything over $24 a 6pack IMO
Looks like NW Growlers just got some and they do deliver, charging $6.50/can though.
In non-Alchemist-related news, Block 15 is launching its own distribution company, in partnership with De Garde and Bespoken Coffee:
Attention @beertunes :
“We cover as far south as Ashland, to the east we go as far as far as Tricities, Pendleton & Central Oregon, to the north we send trucks to Washington through Seattle and Bellingham,” says Nick Arzner, Block 15 founding brewer and co-owner. “We are picking up from our suppliers this week and will begin distribution next week.”
Be still my fragile heart!!!!!!
Yes, all three will be packaged. The regular base beer is tasting great, can't wait to get it out in the world.
Oh believe me: I cannot wait to welcome all kinds of Breakside cans into my home.
Oh I realize I'm cheap!
I've had both beers multiple times, and I'd raise my budget threshold if I had never had them before.
Cheapness and budgets are good things to have these days.
This is pretty much me as well. I feel as if I have to draw the line somewhere, and paying $20 for a 4 pack of IPA/DIPA is over that line for me. I would likely feel different if it was hard to find good local IPA's/DIPA's for much less than not, but really it's not.
If I had never had Heady Topper or Focal Banger, then I agree with you. I'd probably splurge one time just to see what all the fuss is about. However, much as I like both beers quite a bit, I'm happy to save a few bucks and support local breweries at the same time.
This forum told me a $12 32oz crowler of Pliny was a good deal!
$10.50 crowler/mason jar of PtE is a good deal (Saraveza). Assuming I understand the point you're making... I don't know what a crowler of HT or FB would cost, so I can't make a comparison.
I think it makes sense to compare like to like, and so I would compare can prices of Alchemist beer to cans of local versions, and would then compare crowlers of alchemist beer to crowler prices of local versions. However, if you do want to compare crowler prices to can prices, then I would say it's never a good idea to buy a crowler of anything... assuming you can get the same beer in cans (and of course, assuming you aren't buying hugely discounted crowlers from Wayfinder or Von Ebert).
yeah im just poking fun. I just dont see $5 for a 16oz can as anything to raise an eyebrow at. especially in light of the current draft market or crowler market, or even the current landscape for canned DIPAs
Boneyard cans (Hoplandia Instagram link) are now in Portland.
I understand what you're saying but I'm not sure why the crowler / mason jar vs. 4 pack of cans is a significant distinction. Seems pretty comparable to me, but maybe I'm missing something? Anyway, that's what I assumed derftron was saying is that the price per oz was the same.
I would argue that comparing Alchemist beers to local IPAs makes less sense, as the former was shipped cross country and (as you pointed out in an earlier post) my reason for buying the former (trying it once) would likely be different than the latter (a sustainable, repeat option). I think a like-to-like comparison would be the price of Alchemist beers to all these hazy IPAs that have been showing up from out of state by the likes of Cellarmaker, Alvarado St, Moonraker, Finback etc etc - which are often pushing $8 per can. Heady's a hell of a deal by comparison, which shocks me due to Shelton's involvement.
That was me and that's because it's Pliny :-)
Most IPA/DIPA crowlers go for around 10$, and the premium for Pliny in worth it for me.
Clearly the $20-24 4/pack price point is viable and acceptable to a lot of consumers, otherwise it wouldn't be the standard for Hazy/DDH IPAs. I rarely ever buy those. I agree that Shelton Bros priced The Alchemist beers correctly, it's just at a price point that is pushing arbitrary boundaries for me.
Also I think Alesong beers are worth $15 for a 500 mL. I never claimed any of my reasoning made sense.
I'm with you on this completely. If you're going to compare Alchemist prices to those beers, then for me this would be a no brainer. Even if they were just the same price, I would have no problem deciding which beer I was going to purchase (it would be HT and FB every time).
Frankly, I'm always puzzled that there continues to be a pretty decent demand for the beers you listed. I've yet to be wowed by anything I've had from those breweries (though some of the beers I had were pretty good), and the price point is ridiculous (at least it is in this market).
That being said, I'm looking at this strictly from the standpoint of a PDX craft beer consumer. I like changing things up as much as possible when I buy beer, but everything else being equal, I'm always going to buy a locally made product. $20 a 4 pack isn't a deal breaker for me, but it tends to be a bit more than I want to spend, especially if I don't have to. IMHO, there are a number of cheaper local options that I enjoy just as much as HT and FB. Given those options and my palate, I can't see any reason to buy any HT or FB this time around.
I would strongly disagree with Cellarmaker being unimpressive. Their IPA that reached Portland a couple weeks ago is absolutely fantastic as is most of their beers. When I went to their tap room in San Francisco a couple years ago, I am was pretty blown away by how good everything they did was. In comparison, none of the breweries I went to on February visit to San Diego were up at their level. I would 100% agree on the rest of breweries you mentioned.
Made a slight edit, but I agree totally. I've liked Heady every time I've had it. I don't think I've ever had Focal. If they popped up in town, would I buy a 4-pack of each, for science? Yes. After, however, that initial buy, how much more would I buy? I can't answer, with any certainty. I suspect not often, but maybe once every few months? And, if Barley Browns hits Bham, that's more competition for my non-local dollar, that would not likely fall in Vermonts favor.
Judging by how long some of those cans sit on shelves, I don't know that the demand is super high for most of them at the current price point. I'm glad that Day One brings stuff up from these breweries though, I usually pass at the prices they're sold at but every once in a while there's a beer I've heard good things about and splurge on a can.
LOL! I shouldn't have made such a broad sweeping assertion, as that's the one brewery who's beer I haven't tried yet (have read about it). And in fairness, I have enjoyed some of the beers I've tried from some of the other breweries @shelby415 mentioned. I just didn't think they were as good as HT or FB, and nowhere worth the price of admission.
I visited cellarmaker last year while in SF. They are very very good at making beer
In other OR beer news, I saw that Block 15 has started their own distribution company that will also distribute beer from DeGarde and coffee from a local bean roaster in Corvallis.
Cellarmaker does makes good beer, I just wish I knew why it had to be $7 a can up here. It's not the cheapest beer in the Bay Area, but it's nothing like that. Makes one wonder what Great Notion is selling for out of state.
Back to Oregon beer, though, that new Block 15 distro looks promising. Interesting that De Garde mentioned being glad to get their beer back in regular rotation.
Their most recent IPA released up here was only $5 and I highly recommend grabbing a can. Now will I buy it multiple times? Probably not as I prefer to support local as much as possible during this time.
A lot of the Day One stuff is priced like that, and I've seen prices on GN cans in CA anywhere from $7-10.
Old news. Posted on this very thread just yesterday:
Blarg. You're right. I skimmed right over it in the midst of all the Cellarmaker/Alchemist articles.
My bad. Hat tip to @derftron for breaking the news.
Grabbed 4pk of Mandela for $24 at local grocery store chain, passed on likely diabetes-inducing double fudge brownie stout concoction at $8/can.
no i think you posted it first lol.
My BA journalist credentials are in danger of getting yanked
Stopped by this morning and they still had 4 packs of both sitting out on the counter. I confess I chuckled a bit, as the 4 pack holder mentions these beers must be kept cold at all times. Hopefully that's not entirely accurate.
This might be the wrong forum, but is Pelican Mother of All Storms brewery only? Or is it sent to distro and available in stores as well?
It gets into distro, and it's not uncommon for it to sit around for a bit.
haha, yeah that is an issue with johns. fortunately they keep the store pretty brisk and they have that back cooler that they keep the good stuff in. the cans i bought were on the counter but felt pretty cold
its pretty available and easy to find around PDX. even vintages can be procured off the shelf if you know where to look