Paste: 67 of the Best Stouts (Under 8% ABV), Blind-Tasted and Ranked

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by cid71, Nov 13, 2017.

  1. cid71

    cid71 Initiate (137) Mar 2, 2009 New Jersey

  2. oldbean

    oldbean Aspirant (248) Jun 30, 2005 Massachusetts

    Honestly this list is kind of a bummer. Stouts are a dead scene.
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  3. cdilisio

    cdilisio Initiate (44) Apr 18, 2015 Maine
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    paste loves maine beer co
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  4. dennis3951

    dennis3951 Champion (813) Mar 6, 2008 New Jersey
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    I don't care for flavored Stouts above or below 8% ABV expect for BBA ones. I guess Sierra Nevada did not send a beer in for this tasting. Their Stout is better than most of the beers listed here.
  5. Hoos78

    Hoos78 Aspirant (268) Mar 3, 2015 Ohio
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    The style doesn't seem as well represented in this list as are some of the other Paste lists.
  6. TongoRad

    TongoRad Poo-Bah (2,280) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Deschutes Obsidian, too. But the Pike XXXXX is also up there with me, so good for them - I guess my preference would depend on how many pints (or pitchers :wink:) I intended to have on a particular day.
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  7. JohnnyChicago

    JohnnyChicago Crusader (786) Sep 3, 2010 Illinois

    Loved goose island stockyard. Haven’t had it in years. Sam Smith oatmeal stout was one of the first ‘good’ beers I ever drank, so it will always have a special place in my heart.

    Big fan of Irish stouts too. Old 38, Dragoon’s, and Leann Follain are probably my favorites. All excellent beers.

    This brings me back to a simpler time, when people didn’t have to put a bunch of bullshit in their beer to impress people. :confused:
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  8. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Meyvn (1,206) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona
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    I had 2 of the beers, honestly I just cannot buy into their lists anymore, it is not a real representation since they only rate beers sent not actual top beers.
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  9. zid

    zid Savant (908) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Rating "top beers" just creates an echo chamber. That's not necessarily more "real."

    DISKORD Initiate (155) Feb 28, 2017 Antarctica

    Not sure what scene you're following.
  11. meefmoff

    meefmoff Disciple (340) Jul 6, 2014 Massachusetts
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    I was all set to grumble about Ipswich Oatmeal Stout finishing with the also-rans, but then I saw that the coffee variant finished well. I guess that'll do. You're safe this time Paste!

    I think they do a great job with these simply because they are so transparent about how they conduct them.
  12. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Meyvn (1,206) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona
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    I know, I guess I would like them to get a spread from across the country. Does not need to be the top guys just a good sample from across the country to give people a better view. A lot of times their reviews are from a very limited area and does not reflect the country. Maybe they can adjust their review and request beer from a wider area this way the list is more accurate, just ideas I know nothing is perfect.
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  13. ecpho

    ecpho Initiate (195) Mar 28, 2011 New York

    I'd much rather read about non adjunct laden stouts than this list of coffee heavy stouts.

    It seems that the people at Paste might need to reset their palates after putting out so many DIPA lists.
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  14. Scott17Taylor

    Scott17Taylor Meyvn (1,281) Oct 28, 2013 Iowa
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    It's not really a best of list, I don't think you can trust any of them to be accurate unless they're in a site like this with enough reviewers from enough places to review them all. Even then there are lots of great beers that are in too small of batches that don't get enough reviews. I like there lists because I can trust the top few will be good and sometimes I ask for them as extras in trades.
  15. ScaryEd

    ScaryEd Meyvn (1,444) Feb 19, 2012 New Hampshire

    This reminds me that Sierra Nevada Stout is disturbingly absent from shelves around me.
  16. ecpho

    ecpho Initiate (195) Mar 28, 2011 New York

    Tell me about it. Recently found a ton on the shelf at a place I know keeps a lot of old beer - I was excited to buy a bunch until I saw the dates - January 2016! About a month ago you could still find 2016 Celebration 12 packs, just before the 2017 release.
    I've been in touch with my local SN rep around here but nothing has improved.
  17. dennis3951

    dennis3951 Champion (813) Mar 6, 2008 New Jersey
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    I haven't noticed that but most stores I go never had it in the first place.
  18. ScaryEd

    ScaryEd Meyvn (1,444) Feb 19, 2012 New Hampshire

    That's more along the lines of what I meant.

    I had to cross over into Maine to get a six pack and that store is now closed down so now I have no idea.
  19. donspublic

    donspublic Poo-Bah (1,558) Aug 4, 2014 Texas
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    I want that FW Mocha Merlin. I see it is available in Austin area, hopefully working it's way east
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  20. Sabtos

    Sabtos Poo-Bah (3,909) Dec 15, 2015 Ohio
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    I actually think he's pretty on point. Paste also laid this out in the article.

    Regular Stout is being pushed aside in favor of the extremes, so it stands to reason, when the article is about sub-8% Stouts that aren't aged, the list will be relatively sparse today.

    We can't take a step without tripping over a 12%+ barrel aged pastry Stout today. And even most regular Stouts that are stellar and unadulterated are over 8%, so Paste severely limited their options for this lineup, but it did allow for a unique group of beers to rise as a result.
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  21. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Meyvn (1,206) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona
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  22. elbrooksie

    elbrooksie Aspirant (257) Jan 10, 2013 Texas
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    I am honestly perplexed at how they can judge a chocolate orange stout against coffee stouts and non-adjunct stouts and come to any meaningful conclusion. Are there not enough pure coffee stouts (for example) for them to rate, or do they just want the largest number of beers in a list to help with clicks?
  23. jcos

    jcos Aspirant (247) Nov 23, 2009 Maryland

    Ironic how "session" IPAs were hot for awhile, yet people think stouts under 8% - making them a bit more accessible than their larger abv imperial versions- are now "not cool".

    Personally, I prefer sub 8% stouts. Bell's Java has been a favorite, their replacement this year is good too.
  24. njcraftguy

    njcraftguy Zealot (548) Apr 6, 2015 New Jersey
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    After reading this I went out and picked up some of the Two Roads Expresso and was very impressed. The description was dead on. Excellent beer
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    DISKORD Initiate (155) Feb 28, 2017 Antarctica

  26. maltmaster420

    maltmaster420 Aspirant (296) Aug 17, 2005 Oregon
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    They send requests out to (IIRC) ~3,000 breweries, including all the heavy hitters you'd expect, so if the brewery chooses not to participate it's on them. Maybe they're afraid their hype-driven beer won't stand up in a blind tasting...
  27. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Meyvn (1,206) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona
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    I cannot say why some participate or not, probably a lot has to do with they are just not interested, maybe they have done lists numerous times and are tired of it. I think a lot of newer or not so known places participate more because they want the advertising. Anyway, beer is only as good as the enjoyment you get from it, ratings don't equal good taste.
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  28. Crim122

    Crim122 Aspirant (283) Aug 4, 2014 North Carolina
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    Doing the Lords work. I still don't know how the "expresso" typo exists.
  29. oldbean

    oldbean Aspirant (248) Jun 30, 2005 Massachusetts

    Yes, really. Look at how much American brewers have done to develop, improve, and diversify styles like IPA and Saison. But stouts? They've largely just punted and resorted to throwing coffee and marshmallows at the style. Hardly anyone even makes a non-adjuct stout these days, and it's a goddamned shame. Roasted barley, on it's own, can do amazing things in a beer, and without cranking the ABV up to double digits. But American brewers either don't know how to make that happen or just don't care.
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  30. oldbean

    oldbean Aspirant (248) Jun 30, 2005 Massachusetts

    The one where Paste couldn't do a ranking of non-flavored stouts because not enough exist.
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  31. champ103

    champ103 Poo-Bah (3,913) Sep 3, 2007 Texas
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    There was a bunch in singles at Premium Draught on Saturday if you ever make your way into the Heights (I seem to remember reading you are in the burbs in other threads :slight_smile:)
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  32. rather

    rather Aspirant (261) May 31, 2013 California

    Barley forge the Patsy a coconut rye stout isn't in there and IMO would probably be top 5
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  33. IGaveYouPower

    IGaveYouPower Initiate (161) Dec 2, 2010 New York

    Uh, they do. Literally in any of their lists they get beers submitted from every state and corner of this country.

    It's flabbergasting to me that people still come in here and complain about these lists. A purely blind taste test by a large group of experienced beer drinkers is the most pure, honest type of test there is. The notion that a bunch of BAs just listing whatever stouts are hot on the trading forums is a 'better' way to do this is hilarious.

    Also, it's '67 OF the best stouts', they don't ever purport to be some definitive, be-all-end-all ranking and still people make that complaint in every one of these threads. Basic reading comprehension will take you to magical places.
  34. dennis3951

    dennis3951 Champion (813) Mar 6, 2008 New Jersey
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    Or maybe the request is never seen by someone who could send them the beer.
  35. MNAle

    MNAle Champion (892) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    You mean hype can't be detected in a blind tasting by qualified judges? :astonished:
  36. MNAle

    MNAle Champion (892) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    Perhaps, but I would think by now Paste would have established contact points within most brewers organizations.
  37. SoCal_Matt

    SoCal_Matt Disciple (370) Jul 13, 2014 California
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    I was pretty impressed by this beer as well.
  38. Urk1127

    Urk1127 Meyvn (1,330) Jul 2, 2014 New Jersey
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    Pre read i hope i see the commodore on here....
  39. Urk1127

    Urk1127 Meyvn (1,330) Jul 2, 2014 New Jersey
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    Post read.

    Im happy to see Two Roads so highly ranked. Espressway is fantastic.

    Also enjoy seeing love for Left Hand Milk. The nitro version is one of my favorite stout when i can find it. I should drink more of both these beers.
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  40. Urk1127

    Urk1127 Meyvn (1,330) Jul 2, 2014 New Jersey
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    For this reason, i pick up new stouts whenever i find them.
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