Perennial Artisan Ales (2020)

Discussion in 'Midwest' started by bread_c, Jan 2, 2020.

  1. bread_c

    bread_c Initiate (87) Feb 19, 2015 Illinois
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    New thread for Perennial / Société du Chêne for 2020.
     
  2. RMW66

    RMW66 Zealot (535) Sep 18, 2016 Australia
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    Would be great to see these beers in Australia. Enjoyed a couple at the Mikkeller bar in SF and would love the opportunity to enjoy some more!
     
  3. Egotist

    Egotist Aspirant (203) Feb 19, 2011 Illinois
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    I was able to try '19 Maman over the holidays and was relieved how good it was. After how disappointing '19 BAA was after the recipe changes I was going to let my membership lapse if Maman was similar.
     
  4. rmpic82

    rmpic82 Devotee (475) Jan 27, 2017 Kansas
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    We had different experiences. Glad yours was better than mine, which entailed a Maman 19 that was as much or more disappointing than BAA 19. I was with four other people who felt the same way.
     
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  5. OakvilleKGB

    OakvilleKGB Initiate (99) Dec 3, 2015 Missouri
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    Was this experience out of the bottle or on draft? I have heard large differences between the two for many different beers recently from Perennial.
     
  6. rmpic82

    rmpic82 Devotee (475) Jan 27, 2017 Kansas
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    Bottle - and clearly, when you look at ratings I/we are in the minority. It wasn't a "bad" bottle in the sense something was wrong with it, but it didn't taste any better than most BA stout shelfies. If it was just me that felt that way I'd chalk it up to off-palate, but it was the group of us at my house in a controlled setting without any factors that could have influenced our tasting experience poorly (first beer of the night, for example). *shrugs*
     
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  7. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Zealot (554) Apr 8, 2017 Indiana
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    A broader question - not specific to PAA - for everyone:

    When there are differences between draft and bottle, what is the cause? If it is a flavored beer (like BAA), then it makes sense since those flavors will fade quicker with a bottle, but when there are none, like in Maman, I am not sure I understand. Is this a bottle-conditioning problem?
     
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  8. Sabtos

    Sabtos Poo-Bah (7,881) Dec 15, 2015 Ohio
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    Often one might suggest oxidation, but in the case of a waxed bottle like this, it could be laying the bottle on it's side causing liquid prolonged contact with the bottle cap, which is not ideal for beers without corks.

    Also, it could be some issues with the bottling line, contaminants on the machinery, or in the individual bottle, causing quality defects or off-flavors. Overall more room for error on a bottling line, even on an individual bottle.

    None of that may be the case here though...who knows.
     
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  9. seamusmcgee

    seamusmcgee Initiate (57) Mar 1, 2015 Missouri
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    For sure these are all things that happen, but I tend to think that people who claim a substantial difference between bottle and draft are just experiencing differences in palate from day to day. After all, rarely are people comparing bottle and draft side by side. And you don't have to drink, say, whiskey for very long before you realize how much your palate can vary.

    Of course, I say that as someone who thinks TWCP and 2019 are my least favorite Mamans out of the 7 I've had.
     
  10. Readmorevols

    Readmorevols Initiate (70) Jun 5, 2016 Tennessee
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    The beer goes from barrels into large tanks to blend/add adjuncts and carb. It's bottled off these same tanks. The variation comes from the bottles/kegs being filled first/last etc. The adjuncts settle to the bottom. So the bottom could possibly be more adjuncted. Also anything keg/draft has been kept cold 100% of the time. Anything bottled has been through several temp changes.
     
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  11. Readmorevols

    Readmorevols Initiate (70) Jun 5, 2016 Tennessee
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    While possible in some cases I can tell you heavily adjuncted stuff can vary a significant amount from bottle to keg. Not just in flavor too, but thickness( in the case wih PB powder, cookies etc things can turn to sludge).
     
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  12. Affinity

    Affinity Initiate (183) Nov 24, 2018 Missouri
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    https://www.stlmag.com/dining/olive-and-oak-moving-in-webster-groves-lockwood-avenue/

    Perennial opening up a large tap room in collaboration with OLIVE + oak in Webster groves. This is great news. Particularly for those that don’t live in south city near the brewery. I wonder if this will be the type of setup where Societe members can pickup member bottles or just draft pours.

    Either way pretty cool for us Webster groves folks.
     
  13. piggy_rulz

    piggy_rulz Initiate (31) Dec 4, 2019 Missouri

    The coffee IS they made for CBC Clayton is outstanding. And, no bomber! 16 oz can 2 packs.
     
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  14. bread_c

    bread_c Initiate (87) Feb 19, 2015 Illinois
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    Was there a different version of Coffee Imperial Stout done for CBC Clayton?
     
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  15. piggy_rulz

    piggy_rulz Initiate (31) Dec 4, 2019 Missouri

    Not sure of the base IS but this one uses Dark Matter Coffee.
     
  16. piggy_rulz

    piggy_rulz Initiate (31) Dec 4, 2019 Missouri

  17. OakvilleKGB

    OakvilleKGB Initiate (99) Dec 3, 2015 Missouri
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  18. boarder1999

    boarder1999 Initiate (53) Dec 16, 2014 California
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    Important question: how does Perennial pronounce Maman? MAHM uhn? muh MAHN?
     
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  19. Ericstl6

    Ericstl6 Initiate (110) May 26, 2008 Missouri
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    The latter.
     
  20. Duncan83

    Duncan83 Initiate (85) Oct 7, 2013 Wisconsin
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    Is there any information on when this years BA Vermilion might be released? I thought I remember past vintages being released in late January, but maybe I'm wrong? Thanks!
     
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  21. Heisenbrew

    Heisenbrew Initiate (126) Aug 21, 2016 Missouri
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    Last year was in July
     
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  22. Duncan83

    Duncan83 Initiate (85) Oct 7, 2013 Wisconsin
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    I guess I was way off. I see that now. I found a post for the 2018 release in January but didn't realize that 2019 was in the summer. Thanks!
     
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  23. PBRmeasap1980

    PBRmeasap1980 Defender (679) May 19, 2014 Indiana
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    2019/2020 Society Bottles*
    1) Carondelet Wilderness Refuge
    2) Giant Steps Blend 2
    3) Funky Wit Cherry
    4) Funky Wit Apricot
    5) Anniversary Barrel Blend 2019 2
    6) Maman 2019
    7) TBD
    8)TBD
    9) TBD
    10) TBD
    11) TBD
    12) TBD
    13) TBD
    14) TBD

    *will update as bottles are released
     
  24. TNCraftBeer

    TNCraftBeer Initiate (151) Oct 7, 2014 Tennessee
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    We are 7 months into this round and still only have 6 beers, correct? And just one stout. Hopefully several on deck still and coming quickly.
     
  25. Heisenbrew

    Heisenbrew Initiate (126) Aug 21, 2016 Missouri
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    ISO next bottle

    FT nothing
     
  26. rmpic82

    rmpic82 Devotee (475) Jan 27, 2017 Kansas
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    Im hoping there are several dark beers in barrels (or bottles at this point) just about ready. If we get an avalanche of Funky Wit to finish out the program, there will be pitchforks. I mean, not really, but i will be incredibly disappointed.
     
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  27. Ericstl6

    Ericstl6 Initiate (110) May 26, 2008 Missouri
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    O ye of little faith
     
  28. rmpic82

    rmpic82 Devotee (475) Jan 27, 2017 Kansas
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    Im not EXPECTING bad things - I’m ANXIOUS for good things! Good BW/WW/stout things, specifically.
     
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  29. Heisenbrew

    Heisenbrew Initiate (126) Aug 21, 2016 Missouri
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    :thinking_face:
     
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  30. leroybrown10

    leroybrown10 Poo-Bah (1,513) Jan 26, 2008 Missouri
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    I heard Double Barrel Vanilla Maple Cinnamon Maman is next followed by BA Maple Coffee Abraxas. Bartscottcantwait.gif
     
  31. Affinity

    Affinity Initiate (183) Nov 24, 2018 Missouri
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    Societe du Chene newb here. Historically how many stouts are released with societe membership? Off the top of my head I can think of Maman, BAA, BA Sump (probably named something else now). Is there anything I am missing? What barleywines & wheat wines get annual releases? DHOG, BA vermillion? Not sure if Blue Ridge & BA Fantastic Voyage were one time releases. Seeing as to how many more beers are left for societe members I am trying to deduce what might be coming. Fingers crossed for a BBA stout with vanilla or coconut (cause I'm a basic bitch).
     
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  32. OakvilleKGB

    OakvilleKGB Initiate (99) Dec 3, 2015 Missouri
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    16-17:
    Reverie
    Maman 2016
    Campers' Reserve
    Barrel-aged Vermilion
    BA Sump Coffee Stout
    Barrel Aged Abraxas
    Funky Wit
    Savant Beersel
    BA 17
    Funky Wit Apricot
    Funky Wit Charentais Melons
    Funky Wit Raspberry
    EdgeWild Saison

    17-18:
    Maman 2017
    Devil's Heart of Gold
    BA Vermilion
    BA Sump 2018
    BA Abraxas 2018
    Merna
    Funky Wit Raspberry
    Giant Steps
    La Bohème
    Funky Wit
    BA 17
    Funky Wit Melon

    18-19:
    2018 Anniversary Ale
    La Cosecha
    Maman
    Frances
    BA Sump
    Blue Ridge
    Fruits of Labor (Blackberry & Raspberry)
    Devil's Heart of Gold
    Nothing to Find
    Fruits of Labor (Black Currant & Boysenberry)
    BA Fantastic Voyage
    BA Abraxas
    BA Vermilion
     
  33. bread_c

    bread_c Initiate (87) Feb 19, 2015 Illinois
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    BA Fantastic Voyage was just the once so far, but in terms of number of stouts it basically replaced BA 17 last year. I miss BA 17; hopefully it comes back some day.
     
  34. Luscious_Malfoy

    Luscious_Malfoy Poo-Bah (2,571) Oct 5, 2016 Illinois
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    i sure hope Blue Ridge wasn’t a one-off.
     
  35. Sabtos

    Sabtos Poo-Bah (7,881) Dec 15, 2015 Ohio
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    How much different would you say it was than BA Vermilion?
     
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  36. TNCraftBeer

    TNCraftBeer Initiate (151) Oct 7, 2014 Tennessee
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    #putcinnamonbackinBAA
    #makeBAAgreatagain
     
  37. rmpic82

    rmpic82 Devotee (475) Jan 27, 2017 Kansas
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    ^^^^^^^^^^^^ 1,000x this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
     
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  38. rmpic82

    rmpic82 Devotee (475) Jan 27, 2017 Kansas
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    I don't remember thinking that Blue Ridge was waaay better (or even better) than BA Verm, but drinking Blue Ridge feels like a decade ago.
     
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  39. montman

    montman Devotee (416) Mar 10, 2009 Virginia
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  40. TNCraftBeer

    TNCraftBeer Initiate (151) Oct 7, 2014 Tennessee
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    Same beer just using different coffee now. Perennial and Sump coffee parted ways