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Discussion in 'Midwest' started by bread_c, Jan 2, 2020.
New thread for Perennial / Société du Chêne for 2020.
Would be great to see these beers in Australia. Enjoyed a couple at the Mikkeller bar in SF and would love the opportunity to enjoy some more!
I was able to try '19 Maman over the holidays and was relieved how good it was. After how disappointing '19 BAA was after the recipe changes I was going to let my membership lapse if Maman was similar.
We had different experiences. Glad yours was better than mine, which entailed a Maman 19 that was as much or more disappointing than BAA 19. I was with four other people who felt the same way.
Was this experience out of the bottle or on draft? I have heard large differences between the two for many different beers recently from Perennial.
Bottle - and clearly, when you look at ratings I/we are in the minority. It wasn't a "bad" bottle in the sense something was wrong with it, but it didn't taste any better than most BA stout shelfies. If it was just me that felt that way I'd chalk it up to off-palate, but it was the group of us at my house in a controlled setting without any factors that could have influenced our tasting experience poorly (first beer of the night, for example). *shrugs*
A broader question - not specific to PAA - for everyone:
When there are differences between draft and bottle, what is the cause? If it is a flavored beer (like BAA), then it makes sense since those flavors will fade quicker with a bottle, but when there are none, like in Maman, I am not sure I understand. Is this a bottle-conditioning problem?
Often one might suggest oxidation, but in the case of a waxed bottle like this, it could be laying the bottle on it's side causing liquid prolonged contact with the bottle cap, which is not ideal for beers without corks.
Also, it could be some issues with the bottling line, contaminants on the machinery, or in the individual bottle, causing quality defects or off-flavors. Overall more room for error on a bottling line, even on an individual bottle.
None of that may be the case here though...who knows.
For sure these are all things that happen, but I tend to think that people who claim a substantial difference between bottle and draft are just experiencing differences in palate from day to day. After all, rarely are people comparing bottle and draft side by side. And you don't have to drink, say, whiskey for very long before you realize how much your palate can vary.
Of course, I say that as someone who thinks TWCP and 2019 are my least favorite Mamans out of the 7 I've had.
The beer goes from barrels into large tanks to blend/add adjuncts and carb. It's bottled off these same tanks. The variation comes from the bottles/kegs being filled first/last etc. The adjuncts settle to the bottom. So the bottom could possibly be more adjuncted. Also anything keg/draft has been kept cold 100% of the time. Anything bottled has been through several temp changes.
While possible in some cases I can tell you heavily adjuncted stuff can vary a significant amount from bottle to keg. Not just in flavor too, but thickness( in the case wih PB powder, cookies etc things can turn to sludge).
Perennial opening up a large tap room in collaboration with OLIVE + oak in Webster groves. This is great news. Particularly for those that don’t live in south city near the brewery. I wonder if this will be the type of setup where Societe members can pickup member bottles or just draft pours.
Either way pretty cool for us Webster groves folks.
The coffee IS they made for CBC Clayton is outstanding. And, no bomber! 16 oz can 2 packs.
Was there a different version of Coffee Imperial Stout done for CBC Clayton?
Not sure of the base IS but this one uses Dark Matter Coffee.
That is the beer that took the place of Sump: https://www.instagram.com/p/B7EbWjtpGDn/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Important question: how does Perennial pronounce Maman? MAHM uhn? muh MAHN?
Is there any information on when this years BA Vermilion might be released? I thought I remember past vintages being released in late January, but maybe I'm wrong? Thanks!
Last year was in July
I guess I was way off. I see that now. I found a post for the 2018 release in January but didn't realize that 2019 was in the summer. Thanks!
2019/2020 Society Bottles*
1) Carondelet Wilderness Refuge
2) Giant Steps Blend 2
3) Funky Wit Cherry
4) Funky Wit Apricot
5) Anniversary Barrel Blend 2019 2
6) Maman 2019
*will update as bottles are released
We are 7 months into this round and still only have 6 beers, correct? And just one stout. Hopefully several on deck still and coming quickly.
ISO next bottle
Im hoping there are several dark beers in barrels (or bottles at this point) just about ready. If we get an avalanche of Funky Wit to finish out the program, there will be pitchforks. I mean, not really, but i will be incredibly disappointed.
O ye of little faith
Im not EXPECTING bad things - I’m ANXIOUS for good things! Good BW/WW/stout things, specifically.
I heard Double Barrel Vanilla Maple Cinnamon Maman is next followed by BA Maple Coffee Abraxas. Bartscottcantwait.gif
Societe du Chene newb here. Historically how many stouts are released with societe membership? Off the top of my head I can think of Maman, BAA, BA Sump (probably named something else now). Is there anything I am missing? What barleywines & wheat wines get annual releases? DHOG, BA vermillion? Not sure if Blue Ridge & BA Fantastic Voyage were one time releases. Seeing as to how many more beers are left for societe members I am trying to deduce what might be coming. Fingers crossed for a BBA stout with vanilla or coconut (cause I'm a basic bitch).
BA Sump Coffee Stout
Barrel Aged Abraxas
Funky Wit Apricot
Funky Wit Charentais Melons
Funky Wit Raspberry
Devil's Heart of Gold
BA Sump 2018
BA Abraxas 2018
Funky Wit Raspberry
Funky Wit Melon
2018 Anniversary Ale
Fruits of Labor (Blackberry & Raspberry)
Devil's Heart of Gold
Nothing to Find
Fruits of Labor (Black Currant & Boysenberry)
BA Fantastic Voyage
BA Fantastic Voyage was just the once so far, but in terms of number of stouts it basically replaced BA 17 last year. I miss BA 17; hopefully it comes back some day.
i sure hope Blue Ridge wasn’t a one-off.
How much different would you say it was than BA Vermilion?
^^^^^^^^^^^^ 1,000x this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I don't remember thinking that Blue Ridge was waaay better (or even better) than BA Verm, but drinking Blue Ridge feels like a decade ago.
I tried to find this out with no success, but what happened to Sump? We have had Sump distro'd here in VA in the past, and I have a soft spot for it. It is still listed on their website.
Same beer just using different coffee now. Perennial and Sump coffee parted ways