Pine Knob Wine Shoppe (and other SE Michgan price gougers)

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  1. anth_oh_knee

    anth_oh_knee Initiate (55) Feb 14, 2015 Minnesota

    Someone mentioned that I should start a new thread about the various SE Michigan price gougers. Stores need to be called out, in a public manner, if there is to be any hope of change.
  2. sarro

    sarro Initiate (0) May 12, 2009 Michigan

    Details please
  3. anth_oh_knee

    anth_oh_knee Initiate (55) Feb 14, 2015 Minnesota

    $30 for BCBS regular this year. Someone else mentioned they wanted $12 for one bottle of KBS. They don't like being called out about the gouging. I got my posts on their Instagram page deleted and they blocked me for saying "$30 is extreme gouging."

    In Chesterfield, Wine Valley Liquor wanted $23 for one bottle of regular BCBS and B&B Liquor wanted $22.
  4. anth_oh_knee

    anth_oh_knee Initiate (55) Feb 14, 2015 Minnesota

    21 mile in Shelby. Guy said he'd never heard of it, which was why I was shocked to hear the price.
  5. fishmich

    fishmich Initiate (0) Apr 11, 2013 Michigan

    Pine Knob Wine is awful. Alexs Market in Holly may be worse. they charge $19.99 just for Shorts limited sixers. i believe Bells and Founders have already pulled their beer from the shelves there.
  6. semibaked

    semibaked Zealot (590) Mar 27, 2007 Minnesota

    Overpriced and expensive, gouging never.
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  7. CD83

    CD83 Initiate (0) Nov 9, 2014 Michigan

    On the opposite end of things (cuz we could always use a little more positivity) is State Fair Supermarket in Ferndale. Those guys carry a fairly wide selection and get a lot of limited release beers, and always price VERY fairly. I got 2 four packs of Backwoods Bastard when it was released for $13.99 each, and the guys were super friendly and willing to help you, although they might not be the most knowledgable about the beer. They didn't get any BC in yesterday, but went so far as to call their sales rep while I was there cuz they wanted to help me out. They wanted your loyalty, imagine that!
  8. 3DMan

    3DMan Initiate (0) Feb 1, 2015 Michigan

    This makes me glad I've never made the trek out there. I see their selection on Instagram and thought about checking it out. Thanks for saving me some gas and time!
  9. Boosully

    Boosully Initiate (139) Apr 8, 2014 Michigan

    There was an infamous Facebook post of a 29.99 4-pack of Lake Erie Monster IPA at Alex's as well. When I see these crazy high prices, I choose to shop elsewhere. What seems most absurd to me is when stores try to make you buy old stock for a chance to overpay for something limited.
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  10. TonyLuvsBeer

    TonyLuvsBeer Aspirant (234) Mar 28, 2015 Michigan

    Nope. $13 for a bottle of KBS last year.
  11. Lazhal

    Lazhal Devotee (477) Mar 13, 2011 Michigan

    Manny's Liquor in Rochester MI...stay away from there for anything limited.
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  12. MittenBrews

    MittenBrews Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2015 North Carolina

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  13. grossag

    grossag Initiate (22) Apr 5, 2014 Michigan

    For Ann Arbor, Baxter's and Wolverine Party Store are up there. Baxter's wanted $18 for this year's BCBS and marks up KBS as well. I gave up on Wolverine but in previous years it was $12 for Black Note, $10 for last year's BCBS, and I think $10 or more for KBS.

    On the positive side for non-grocery stores that price things reasonably, I like Blue Front, Wine Seller, and at times Ann Arbor Party Center.

    These places don't seem to understand that if I am charged a reasonable price for limited edition beers, it actually makes me want to come back and buy other stuff! And obviously the opposite is true too.
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  14. averse

    averse Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2012 Ohio

    Washtenaw liquors was charging $25/bottle for BCBS this year. I passed
  15. UnionFederal

    UnionFederal Initiate (0) Oct 11, 2015 Michigan

    So many places in Rochester area were charging $20-$30, I just thought that was the going price. Then I read the price that holiday in Royal Oak and Champagnes in warren are selling it for and I feel like a fool for over paying. Hard to get to those places, but respect them for how they handle their limited beer business.
  16. Brianw508

    Brianw508 Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2013 Michigan

    I don't agree with what a lot of places charge. I know this will piss most of you off, but I feel consumers are just as bad as retailers when it comes to this beer. They drove from store to store to get as much as they can. That's being just as greedy. Complaining won't do any good. Distributors don't care, they're selling product, breweries don't care either. I'd love for bottle shops to hold customers to the same standard that distributors hold us too. How many people on here would get any of the BC products? Lol. None would be my guess. We've had BCBS on for the last 4 years and I'm not even attempting his year. I've always charged a fair price $8.50/11 ounce pour. My favorite are the ones who want a growler filled and cuss me out when I say no. So my point is this is a monster created by consumers. And I personally think the people who drive store to store and buy as much as they can are just as bad. I fully expect to be killed but it's my opinion
  17. BEERschlitz

    BEERschlitz Initiate (0) Oct 13, 2013 Michigan

    Have you seriously been cussed out for not filling a growler with BCBS? Some people are so pathetic.
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  18. Brianw508

    Brianw508 Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2013 Michigan

    Yes. He also Told me I was an idiot and was a terrible businessman. I just smiled and told him have a good day. These beers bring out the worst in people.
  19. fishmich

    fishmich Initiate (0) Apr 11, 2013 Michigan

    the consumer has certainly created the monster but i dont fault someone for going to a few different stores in an attempt to get more than one bottle of beer that they like. i do fault them for paying silly prices, trying to bribe workers to sell them more, and buying so much that others never get a chance. i bought from 3 stores(bought under my limit at 2 of them) this year and ended up with 4 of each plus one Rare. i could have easily bought from a few more. the people that get mad about limits and not being able to get growlers need to reassess life. i have fun hunting them down but the black friday mentality baffles me.
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  20. UnionFederal

    UnionFederal Initiate (0) Oct 11, 2015 Michigan

    I just like beer. I like having it, talking about it, buying it, brewing it and drinking it!
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  21. Brianw508

    Brianw508 Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2013 Michigan

    I'm not saying the people who hunt are wrong. I think that most people are just as greedy as the shops who are selling it at a ridiculous price. I love beer, but I'm so glad that I am not a fan of BBA beers because I'd probably be pissed at my distributor lol. for me, time is precious and I don't want to waste it over 10-20 bucks.
  22. Mjsil84

    Mjsil84 Initiate (0) Jul 16, 2015 Michigan

    I agree Brian. Since the demand is so high these stores know that bottles gonna sell for $30, so a handful of people walking away from the sale due to price isn't going to shake them from the gauging.

    My favorite part of Friday was the guy who brought 3 of his kids into the grocery store (to remain unnamed, because they charge $10/bottle, AND had plenty of stock) and argued that the sign said "limit two bottles per person", not "limit two bottles for purchase" - therefore his 3 kids under the age of 16 should each be given their allotment of two bottles.... Needless to say no one in this grocery store was familiar with Liquor laws, and the guy walked out of their with 8 bottles
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  23. vette-ss

    vette-ss Initiate (181) Nov 5, 2014 Michigan

    Only way to shut down the gouging is for people to walk out of their stores. Will it happen? Probably not.

    I hit 4 stores in order to have a few bottles to keep on hand. Two of the stores were single bottle purchases. Longest wait in line was 15 min for store to open. Cheapest price was $8.99 for reg; most expensive was $14.99. I passed on 3 bottles of coffee at one store and swapped coffee for reg at another because its just not my thing. Had other stores on my list that I knew were getting it in the afternoon but skipped them being satisfied with my morning haul.

    Only negative I encountered was my local (1 bottle limit) asked you to also purchase a $20 bottle of their private label Arbor beer. I passed.
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  24. JohnnyHopps

    JohnnyHopps Poo-Bah (2,835) Jun 15, 2010 Indiana
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    To OP and all other call outs, you really need to take a few minutes and write a place review. If/when I next travel to SE Michigan, I need to know about places like this in advance. A lot of BA's check store reviews before traveling. THIS hits the stores where it hurts.
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  25. Blutz

    Blutz Initiate (99) Mar 25, 2014 Michigan

    Interesting to note @grossag. I had hit those places as well over the years and got similar prices. BCBS was $16 at Baxter's this year (guy said had just received it, not sure if it was even stickered yet). Last year Wolverine had BCBS at $14/ 12oz bottle and have since written them off completely. Party Center had Black Note last year for $10/bottle and has continued to rub me the wrong way since. I used to be a very regular customer there too. Main St party store had BCBS for $25/bottle this year - the highest I've seen it. Needless to say, I passed.

    On a positive note, I also endorse Blue Front and Wine Seller - those guys really do everything they can to get good beer into their customer's hands and they make it as fair as possible. When a store cares about your business, no matter the size, it is felt and ensures future business. I now drive out of my way to support them whenever possible.
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  26. loki993

    loki993 Initiate (0) Apr 16, 2009 Michigan

    Same thing but last year or maybe 2 years ago now...saw their FB post they had BC and they're not too far from me so I stopped by on my way home. asked for the BC, they keep it behind the counter, they said 12.50, this was a 12 oz bottle..I almost fell over. Said thing I would have waled out but I had promised to find a bottle for my girlfriend so I begrudgingly bought it.

    So they got my money that time but I haven't been in there since..and before that it was one of my regular stops for beer. So they definitely lost a customer that day...hope it was worth it.
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  27. BaseballNBeer

    BaseballNBeer Initiate (126) Apr 22, 2015 Michigan

    I should write a review of Pine Knob not only for my purchasing experience, but also for what I saw on the shelves there.

    When Perrin's Kill Em All first came out, it appeared that it would be rather scarce, and my SO really wanted a few bottles. I went to Pine Knob based on an Instagram post that showed they had it. I got there, and it was $24.99 per bomber. I reluctantly bought one. Once she found out how much I paid shortly after I left, she flipped and insisted I return it. At this point, I was already 20 miles away. After thinking it over for some more time, I decided that I should return it. So, I drove the 20 miles back. I'm not the person to make a scene, so I simply told the cashier that I bought it for my SO, and she told me it was the wrong beer. The cashier took it back with a slight hesitation. We vowed to never even think about setting foot in there again.
  28. MostlyMichiganBeerReview

    MostlyMichiganBeerReview Initiate (0) Aug 4, 2015 Michigan

    Went to Pine Knob twice~ havent been back since. Over priced, not friendly, they didnt even say "hello" or "thank you". As everyone is saying, just dont shop at these places. Simple.
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  29. SeanBond

    SeanBond Meyvn (1,133) Jul 30, 2013 Illinois

    I hate to agree with you, but we're definitely to blame. The fact that places out there are currently charging $50+ for a 16.9oz bottle of this year's BCBS Prop is sad, but the fact of the matter is that those bottles will go, and they'll go fast. There's no incentive outside of "fairness" for shops to price the releases at MSRP, because the whale hunters will be more than happy to come by and clean the shelves off of anything that regulars refuse to pay for.

    I mean, people are following distribution trucks along their route, just to get the beers. It's crazy. And until this single-minded obsession blows over, people are going to continue jacking up the prices, because why not? If the retailer doesn't make $20 or 30 on the beer, some guy who lives near the distribution warehouse and follows their trucks will flip 'em online and make even more than that.
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  30. Badlieut

    Badlieut Initiate (0) Jul 10, 2014 Michigan

    Wine Castle in Livonia requiring you to either buy Lolita or 2 312 6 packs to buy BCBS. Ridiculous.
  31. szmnnl99

    szmnnl99 Crusader (765) Apr 3, 2006 Michigan

    I went to Pine Knob once and found a dusty mini-keg of Schlenkerla Rauchbier covered with dust. On the bottom was a very faded $35 price sticker. I took it to the front and asked if they wanted to part with it at a reduced rate since it was old.
    He said it was $40 but he'd take $35....
  32. CB_Michigan

    CB_Michigan Zealot (519) Sep 4, 2014 Illinois
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    Please do this. I get the need for venting, but this thread is not nearly as helpful as a bad review would be. If I'm looking for a shop, I'm going to search places and read actual reviews. I'm probably not going to search through the regional forum. I just checked the Pine Knob listing and there's one review from July. It's rated 4.06/5 and the review makes the place sound well above average. There's absolutely nothing to dissuade me from going there.
  33. BadBreath

    BadBreath Initiate (0) Jun 12, 2014 Indiana

    They had barley wine yesterday for $25. RIP State Fair Supermarket. :slight_frown:
  34. SaisonRichBiere

    SaisonRichBiere Savant (963) Mar 23, 2011 Michigan

    Joe's produce in Livonia. Last year I was looking around the beer section for KBS, and the kid in the section asked if I was looking for it. I said yes, and he told me he could get me one bottle, but didn't mention the price. He even escorted the bottle to the front register for me, and told me to have a nice day. Then they rang it up for me. $15.00.
  35. md655321

    md655321 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2007 Michigan

    Lake Orion Shell today posted on Instagram that they had Bourbon County, and variants, in stock. To earn the opportunity to purchase I was told I would need to purchase 'about $100' worth of beer. But not the beer in my hands that I already planned to purchase, shitty expensive beers that people weren't buying. (Mostly Evil Twin and other overpriced bombers)

    I mean, I get where these people are coming from. Independently owned business are stuck with overpriced and underflavored stock that they can't sell and they figured out a way to leverage an undersupply in the market. I know the distributors do the same thing to them (requiring them to buy beer they dont want to let them get the beer their customers desire.) But still, I think a lot of business owners fail to see that the goal should not be to maximize profit on every single transaction. And it is not their customers fault that that the owners do not understand which products their customers actually want to buy. I'll still go back there, and I really do hope they get some rich sucker to buy up their inventory, but the most effective way to do business (according to every businessperson ever) is to grow a loyal customer base. I am not sure getting rid of $100 worth of beer is worth upsetting and annoying people who willingly spend thousands of dollars a year on their product.
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  36. DrinktotheDead

    DrinktotheDead Initiate (0) Feb 11, 2014 Michigan

    Its not easy being a gas station/wannabe bottleshop....
    Surprised they didn't throw in "AND YOU GOTTA FILL UP WITH PREMIUM!"
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  37. QuadriderMX

    QuadriderMX Initiate (0) Feb 20, 2014 Michigan

    Alexs is by far the absolute worse gouger I've ever encountered. $29.99 for a 4 pack of chillwave, $19.99 for shorts limited's...Place is a fuckin joke, and I refuse to even stop there. I'm baffled at how they even move anything.
    Be careful with these guys.... Although they have a good selection, what's marked and what's actually rung up are two completely different things. I can count at least three occasions where they charged me more then what was actually marked... And It usually occurs on multiple bottle purchases. Plus they don't give you a receipt unless you specifically ask. Because of this, I vary rarely even stop there anymore.
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  38. borto1ms

    borto1ms Initiate (0) Sep 18, 2013 Michigan

    I know this is a post bashing price gougers, but want to clarify if this is B&B at 22 and Hayes or is the BB's Liqour at 21 and Schoenherr? Or another B&B (at 26 mile). While I will agree the prices at B&B are sometimes higher than what I like, I have never ran into getting charged a price that wasn't listed and I have been going to them since they opened a few years ago. And everytime get offered a receipt or just handed it, never had to ask.
    Sorry, gotta stick up for my neighborhood store a little.
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  39. craigo19

    craigo19 Initiate (187) Oct 12, 2009 Michigan

    I would get the receipt and report them to the state!
  40. Boosully

    Boosully Initiate (139) Apr 8, 2014 Michigan

    Now that stores are no longer required to individually price tag each item on the shelf, I notice a lot of pricing on the fly and charging different customers different prices.
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