Pizza Boy sours currently unavailable

Is this a PA thing only? Because a search on the TTB for Pizza Boy brings up absolutely nothing.

 

You're not talking about just the beer, you're talking shit about a person and hiding behind a keyboard. You wouldn't have the stones to say it to them in person. I guess that is clueless.

 

Then I imagine one of two things is going to occur.

1) Bottles will never be available for sale for either onsite or offsite consumption.
2) Al gets off his horse, realizes a fraction of the population consists of assholes and that there's no remedy for it, but also realizes we're not ALL assholes, and ceases to treat us as such.

Then there's always door number 3. He could actually put labels on the bottles, and sell even a portion of the bottles for offsite consumption so assholes are less inclined to try and handbottle his stuff, thus turning him into a bitter human being every other week as another person walks out the door with a bottle.

What do you think is most likely to occur?

 

Would have to agree with you on most of this post.

 

Seems like you are quite the wealth of knowledge.

 

Apples to oranges. A bar knowingly over-serving an individual vs an individual taking it upon them self to leave the premise with alcohol when the stated policy is on-premise only. You yourself say you don't know all the legalities of it, yet keep spewing forth this unlabeled bottle nonsense.

Overall it seems like an extreme reaction to a small problem.

 

I said I don't know all the legalities of it but I do know that to leave a brewery bottles and kegs must be labeled. The have to have 2 things on them. That alcohol consumption may cause health problems and that pregnant women should not consume alcohol. Are you going to say that's nonsense?

 

You're talking about to-go sales.

 

I know that and that's what is trying to be avoided, a non labeled bottle being taken to go.

 

To-go sales are not equivalent to stealing an on-premise bottle. Smells like a red herring.

 

Actually, yes. When RR lowered the amount of Younger growlers that you could take to go everyone went nuts. People who had set up pre-trades had them cancelled and there was a complete shitstorm on this site. People panicked so much that the brewpub's entire allotment of Younger for the year was consumed in one day. The following year they said no growlers to go and everyone went crazy again, more so than the previous year when it was cut down to two growlers. The big difference here is that they didn't stop selling Younger because of it. You could still go to pub and drink it. Could you imagine them saying, "we brewed a much larger batch of Younger this year but we won't be selling it to anyone"?

 

Am I allowed to take my pizza togo or will that halt your pizza sales?

 

What would that be called then, obviously theft, but if it was seen by the wrong person it could potentially lead to problems. Like places in Philly that were fined heavily for selling beers that weren't distributed to the state or county.

 

You appear to have an issue confusing bars doing something illegal versus individuals doing something illegal. Anyway, I sincerely doubt this is why they suspended sour sales.

 

While it is at the discretion of the individual, the law does not differentiate between stolen alcohol bottle and non stolen. If it comes from an establishment, that establishment is legally liable.

 

Uh, that is not the same thing in any way. I get that you are trying to defend what's happened here, but your comparisons could be better. If you are curious, the key difference here is they knowingly sold these (plus those fines were in Philly were all horseshit and just bad data from the LCB).

 

How were they horse shit? There are still places that sell unregistered beers.

 

And the professor throws his hat in the ring!

 

A lot to say here and im not real good at getting my thoughts out through text so please bear with me.

1-So far i have heard alot of people complaining about the bottles still being listed on the boards and not selling them? So you have never went to a bar and it say X brand on the chalkboard and it is kicked? is that bait and switch? It was my decision to leave them on the board-end of story. this quirky decision on my part came from where all my decisions come from, me. The same place i made the decision to build all of this and do this against the grain from A to Z.

2.I am extremely hesitant on getting bottle labels for off site consumption because i want my beers to be enjoyed in our environment and from the source, at the source.(we have just started the label aprooval process for our regular lineup products and some of the "sour Ales" that we brew. dont expect to see labels for bottled amercian wild ales anytime soon.
Im a firm believer in the in house bottle consumtion rule because i like to reward the local customers with the ability to drink the products whenever they want. Why should a local person who comes to my establishment 3-5 times a week have to stand in line at a bottle release to buy a bottle of beer? My business was built on my restaurant and i dont want to do a bottle release that will interfere with my normal daily business. I worry about my customers and the experience. MY customers are not just guests they are customers, friends and buddies ive come to be friendly with over the years. I have watched my customers kids grow to adults and bring children of their own in to eat. This is my 12th year in business and i try to make all decisions based on business longevity and not how can i make 5ok in a weekend bottle release and alienate all my normal customers, families, soccer teams, baseball teams and Seniors that dont want to be around that environment.
I am trying to keep everyone happy and not alienate anyone.

3.I take my business very personally because it is my life. I was eating dinner with my boys and my friend when i caught that guy taking the bottle, and it really upset me that he yelled at me that "Its not illegal, its just my house policy" It it 100% illegal, the bottle was filled prior to sale so it must have an aprroved label on it.
We are not a brewery that doesnt sell beer, we actually have at least a dozen beers of our own on tap at all times, we just have 3 beers that are currently unavailable.
So now these sour bottle conditioned ales are seasonal, and i will release them when they are back in season.
directly after posting this i will add a *Seasonal release check for availability.to the list to cause confusion or the old bait and switch.

4. I am a person with emotions and react sometimes in ways that people dont understand. i pulled the bottle sales because we have to reevaluate the way we are selling them. This situation brought to light how many of these bottles made it out in the world and its a shock to say the least. It wasnt that one guy that i caught (or the guy he was stelaing it for who was waiting in the parking lot for him) fault totally, its my failed system of regulating the bottles that i am questioning. We have close to 75 barrels filled right now that we are working on releasing in the coming months, i want to make sure i have it right before we go balls deep in bottle sales.

If you are traveling from somewhere far away just to try one of these bottles hit me up on twitter or Facebook and i will try to accommodate you best i can.

In the words of Acolossaljerk/-
The king of craft beer and gods gift to all craft beer is now getting off his horse and signing out from this conversation. The horse has me a bit chafed.

Drink it while you can,

Al KOMINSKI

***anyone with questions concerns or comments can post to this thread or email me @ [email protected]