Pliny the Elder taste alike

Discussion in 'Southwest' started by ChanceK, Mar 27, 2013.

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  1. ChanceK

    ChanceK Initiate (0) Feb 13, 2012 Texas

    I've heard a few people say St Arnold Endeavor is close to Pliny, and I've heard others disagree. I've never had Pliny but have had more than my share of Endeavor. I've been looking into a Pliny taste-a-like and wonder if Endeavoris as close as I can get.....(here in Texas with minimal effort) Is there something else that has a closer resemblance?
     
  2. Smithrob9999

    Smithrob9999 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2011 Texas

    Probably Double Jack for me, we have some bottled 3/1
     
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  3. dumptruck81

    dumptruck81 Initiate (174) Dec 28, 2011 Texas
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    In Texas I'd say that's the closest you'll get. In my experience the closest thing I've found was new glarus thumbprint dipa but that's not possible to even trade for fresh anymore. Your best bet would be a Homebrew clone. Pliny is great but I think it really depends on what you're looking for in a dipa. Me personally I'd just as much get some southern star Valkyrie/pro am dipa. Not the same profile but in the same world class category IMO.
     
  4. ChanceK

    ChanceK Initiate (0) Feb 13, 2012 Texas

    I'm in San Antonio, and I don't know of any place that caries Firestone yet.
     
  5. starkmarvelo

    starkmarvelo Disciple (370) Jan 20, 2010 Texas
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    Gabriels in San Marcos is the closest to you. They have Union Jack, DBA, and Double Jack. Good amount of Double Jack too.
     
  6. pwsoldier

    pwsoldier Devotee (433) Apr 26, 2007 Texas

    Endeavour is good, but nowhere near being in the same league as Pliny. Keep an eye out for Valkyrie.
     
  7. Lutter

    Lutter Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2010 Texas

    Wait... you've never had Pliny?

    So I could literally tell you Longhammer IPA and you'd believe me?

    Get a Pliny first, noob.

    Personally I think it's overrated, but you should at least try it before trying to find something that tastes like it.
     
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  8. kmello69

    kmello69 Defender (617) Nov 27, 2011 Texas
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    I had Pliny a bunch on tap the last time I was in SF. Its OK, and you should try it, but I don't see how its that much better than lots of other IPA's out there. Personally, I liked Endeavor a lot, and I dont even really like IPA's.
     
  9. Clonies720

    Clonies720 Initiate (0) Oct 24, 2012 Texas

    El oh El. Like someone else said, Endeavor might be the closest THING you can get to Pliny in TX, but they are not even closely related. I've had week and a half old Pliny out of the bottle at it's freshest. I don't see what the obsession is. I think there's better out there. I really prefer Firestone Double Jack over Pliny. That and Stone's Enjoy by 12.1.12 or whatever. That was the best I've ever had. So much vibrant aroma, so juicy, so dank. Me gussssta.

    Then again, beer is a mostly subjective experience for each person, and each person will likely perceive it differently.

    Edit: I have a December 1st Pliny bottle if you'd like to know what a skunk tastes like. :D
     
  10. pwsoldier

    pwsoldier Devotee (433) Apr 26, 2007 Texas

    I've had 6 month old Pliny before. It was a shell of its former self, but still pretty damn tasty.
     
  11. Clonies720

    Clonies720 Initiate (0) Oct 24, 2012 Texas

    I've been exposing this one to sunlight. Doing the whole changing of temps from warm to cold *can't remember if that actually degrades the beer much anyways*. I want to abuse it for a year and bring it to bottle share. I expect to never be invited back. lol
     
  12. blatherbeard

    blatherbeard Initiate (0) Sep 30, 2007 Texas

    Thats just evil,

    i need to be there when thats opened just to see the look on IPA lovers faces ;)
     
  13. UtisTheLaw

    UtisTheLaw Aspirant (276) Jul 26, 2012 Texas
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    I'd love to see people who don't know any better exclaiming how delicious it is, and then seeing their changing expression when you tell them that you abused it.
     
  14. corbey

    corbey Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2006 Texas

    Other possibilities would be Sixpoint Resin and Moylan's Hopsickle (if you can find it fresh).
     
  15. rainerschuhsler

    rainerschuhsler Disciple (376) May 17, 2012 Texas
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    I love me some Sixpoint Resin but I it's not very similar to Pliny the Elder. Resin is in-your-face sticky, hoppy, bitter, and RESINOUS. Pliny on the other hand is restrained, a demonstration of finesse, and very well balanced.

    This thread has turned into a game of "let's name all of the DIPAs available in Texas." I agree with some of you, I like other DIPAs more than I like Pliny, but I don't think anything we have comes close to what Pliny achieves.
     
  16. ChanceK

    ChanceK Initiate (0) Feb 13, 2012 Texas

    Minimal effort is the key. If I can't buy it off the shelf I'm not gonna get it. I like beer, but I'm not hardcore about it. Not that there's anything wrong with that.......
     
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  17. luisfrancisco

    luisfrancisco Disciple (320) Dec 1, 2009 Mexico
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    I would say Lagunitas Hop Stoopid. Not too hard to find, a great cheap DIPA and somewhat similar to Pliny IMO. I still like Pliny better though.
     
  18. FUNKPhD

    FUNKPhD Initiate (0) Apr 13, 2010 Texas

    Please elaborate, if you don't mind.
     
  19. Clonies720

    Clonies720 Initiate (0) Oct 24, 2012 Texas

    In all seriousness, if you'd like to taste some fresh Pliny, I'll trade for some and split it with you if you're Houston local. It's still a great beer.
     
  20. FUNKPhD

    FUNKPhD Initiate (0) Apr 13, 2010 Texas

    To OP, I traded $4$ on a fresh case of PtE straight from the brewery a while back. It shouldn't be too difficult to find someone willing to get you at least a bottle.
     
  21. ChanceK

    ChanceK Initiate (0) Feb 13, 2012 Texas

    I'm in SA. Sorry. I would go for that if we were closer.
     
  22. blatherbeard

    blatherbeard Initiate (0) Sep 30, 2007 Texas

    I hate ipas and dipas but now im craving a taste for PtE lol
     
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  23. Jursh

    Jursh Initiate (0) Oct 10, 2012 Texas

    I must say, I read all the "it's over-rated" reviews on Pliny before I had it but I'll never forget the day I had my first Pliny on draft at the RR brewpub while on vacation. Call it what you want but it is not over-rated. Maybe it doesn't live up to the "this beer will change your life!" reviews that some people give but what do you expect.

    As for the closest thing? Lagunitas Sucks and Stone Enjoy By have done a great job getting that West Coast pine smell and taste that Pliny is known for. It almost took me back
     
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  24. dumptruck81

    dumptruck81 Initiate (174) Dec 28, 2011 Texas
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    Other ipa's like enjoy by and sucks are using newer hop varieties like citra, so they aren't really an accurate comparison. All great beers but still not the same sticky that Pliny is. Pliny was made somewhere around 10 years ago before these newer hops were around.

    Instead of arguing the overrated over hyped route, I'd say the Pliny is given more respect than many other ipa's/dipa's. Everybody knows that Pliny needs to be consumed within about a month after bottling to get the desired effect. Many other ipa's that are not as highly regarded end up in the bottle for a while longer before people drink them. Which causes the general view of these beers to be that they're not as good.
     
  25. FUNKPhD

    FUNKPhD Initiate (0) Apr 13, 2010 Texas

    I thought Citra was the hop bred for Torpedo? Or am I thinking of something else?

    Also, as far as overrated (I)IPA's, I think I'll say Heady Topper is over rated. I would say it's on par with other highly rated/regarded (I)IPA's.
     
  26. miikezombie

    miikezombie Aspirant (247) Aug 13, 2010 Texas

    What this guy said.

    OP, I can try and get a bottle or 2 before the next Freetail bottle release. If I can, I will give you one at the bottle share.
     
  27. FUNKPhD

    FUNKPhD Initiate (0) Apr 13, 2010 Texas

    Speaking of which, when is the Ananke release?
     
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  28. Clonies720

    Clonies720 Initiate (0) Oct 24, 2012 Texas

    Slightly off-topic. I'm drinking a Brazilian-origin, Vixnu DIPA that I bought at D&Q. This shit ain't half bad at all. In fact, it's a pretty great DIPA as far as Texas standards go. The pine notes aren't that big, but it's a definite orange-citrus bomb. Sticky white head with great lacing. Perfect medium-high carb to match the 9.5% ABV, which I might add is not very noticeable. Full bodied. Beer has superb clarity. Nice punch of bitter hops in the finish. Only criticisms: It's a tad sweeter than I'd like for a DIPA and I wish there was more pine aroma to it. But other than that, I'd buy this again any day of the week.
     
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  29. miikezombie

    miikezombie Aspirant (247) Aug 13, 2010 Texas

    Last I heard was late April or May.
     
  30. FUNKPhD

    FUNKPhD Initiate (0) Apr 13, 2010 Texas

    I guess here, it's listed as an American IPA, so I can see that. I'm curious as to what hops they used.
     
  31. rainerschuhsler

    rainerschuhsler Disciple (376) May 17, 2012 Texas
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    Thanks for posting this. I've been curious about that beer and almost bought a bottle today. I'll definitely get one the next time I'm in D&Q.
     
  32. r0nburgundy69

    r0nburgundy69 Initiate (82) Jan 27, 2012 Texas
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    I had new glarus dipa, and it was really good. I wasn't impressed by Pliny, but I know I'm in the minority
     
  33. dumptruck81

    dumptruck81 Initiate (174) Dec 28, 2011 Texas
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    Looks like torpedo was one of the first beers to use citra. Unfortunately they don't really use much during the flavoring additions, which is where citra really shines.
     
  34. jgreeson

    jgreeson Initiate (22) Feb 24, 2010 Texas

    I offer fresh Breckenridge 471 IPA as a Pliney sub. Also an alternative as Oskar Blues Gubna.
     
  35. Lutter

    Lutter Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2010 Texas

    It doesn't have "pop" for me like some other IPAs. Good IPAs, to me, have this spicy, citrus or resinous (pick a coast) quality. It's all personal preference, but my major qualifier for a beer is drinking one and saying to myself "OMG, I need moar!"
     
  36. Chuk_Hell

    Chuk_Hell Aspirant (200) Apr 12, 2012 Texas
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    Cosigned. I like the Vixnu alot although it doesn't have the hop pugency that I crave in the best DIPA/IPAs. Really rich and delicious though, if a little sweet. I liked the other two as well with the Brazilian nut beer also being a standout.

    The American craftbeer revolution is having good reverberations around the world.
     
  37. Geuzedad

    Geuzedad Zealot (539) Nov 14, 2010 Arizona
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    I definitely agree that Stone has come the closest to Pliney with their Enjoy By series. I had the opportunity to have both in a side by side comparison (both very fresh by the way) and was amazed in their similarities. And Sucks is close but not in the same tier IMO, but again right up there and a regular in my rotation. I would not say Pliney is overrated but due to its limited availability I am sure it makes for frustration for DIPA lovers who cannot access it. I live right next door to Cali (AZ) and still have trouble finding it when I make the trip over.
     
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