Possibly the best kept secret in sour beers?

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  1. justyouraveragebeerguy

    justyouraveragebeerguy Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois

    Oude Gueuze Tilquin seen here:

    Is pretty widely available and is made from blending the same lambics Cantillion and Drie Fonteinen use to make their Gueuze's. Now I know they are fairly new and for now just blend lambics, but why aren't these flying off the shelves? IMO it tastes the same or better than Cantillion or 3F lambics! Let me repeat these are exactly the SAME beer as Cantillion and 3F lambics just under a different blender (ik blending matters a lot but if your base beer is that amazing it's pretty hard to mess up!)
  2. beerinmaine

    beerinmaine Initiate (0) Jun 20, 2009 Maine

    'tis no secret around here :slight_smile:
  3. GuzzLah

    GuzzLah Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2013 Illinois

    I've had Tilquin and 3F Gueuze back to back and don't think they taste the same, but they both taste very good.
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  4. victory4me

    victory4me Zealot (547) Oct 16, 2004 Pennsylvania

  5. justyouraveragebeerguy

    justyouraveragebeerguy Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois

    yeah I guess I should have worded it, "equally as good"
  6. GuzzLah

    GuzzLah Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2013 Illinois

    3F is more intense, but I can see how some people would prefer Tilquin.
  7. SomethingClever

    SomethingClever Poo-Bah (2,356) Feb 22, 2013 Ohio

    I just had St. Louis oude and I didn't care for it I'm wondering if I won't like cantillon or not because I have an order sitting in an online cart for a few hundred dollars worth I'm unsure of whether to pull the trigger mostly Cantillon Kreik, Iris, Classic, and I think Rose
  8. Nectar

    Nectar Initiate (0) Jan 17, 2013 New Jersey

    When one makes a "best kept secret" thread, the secret is no longer kept. You sir, are untrustworthy.

    BRB, going to buy some.
  9. VncentLIFE

    VncentLIFE Meyvn (1,417) Feb 16, 2011 North Carolina
    Beer Trader

    Those kegs disappear fast, and I dont think Ive ever seen a bottle on a shelf for more than a few hours.
  10. gatornation

    gatornation Poo-Bah (3,322) Apr 18, 2007 Minnesota
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    Not a secret as such but a great buy is Rodenbach grand Cru
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  11. justyouraveragebeerguy

    justyouraveragebeerguy Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois

    Cantillon is good but not really worth hundreds of dollars. It does make it to the U.S. but your best option is to search for a regular trading partner in Europe, they love what america is doing with craft beer. I'm sending a 12bottle shipper to a buddy of mine in Spain who is a distributor and he i sending me some Cantillion and 3F in return.
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  12. SomethingClever

    SomethingClever Poo-Bah (2,356) Feb 22, 2013 Ohio

    I can not find it where I live. I'm interested though and the Belgium shops are the only online shops I've found that carry it
  13. HomeBrewed

    HomeBrewed Initiate (186) Dec 10, 2006 Minnesota
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    I know a better secret...:grimacing:
  14. Giantspace

    Giantspace Defender (626) Dec 22, 2011 Pennsylvania

    It's a shelf beer here , for the large bottles. On tap it is really good as well. The larger bottle is about $25 and sometime I see the smaller bottles at around $13 or so. I prefer small single serve bottles so mainly buy a few when I see them.

  15. justyouraveragebeerguy

    justyouraveragebeerguy Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois

    haha that's what I was talking about. Fou Foune used to be a shelf beer!
  16. jtdolla911

    jtdolla911 Initiate (0) Nov 18, 2011 Massachusetts
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    Tilquin is real good , but I think Boon Mariage Parfait is a sleeper.
  17. KWMiles

    KWMiles Initiate (0) Oct 23, 2012 Minnesota

    Yeah, but have you ever had a Shamrock Shake?!
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  18. flavirufus

    flavirufus Initiate (0) Nov 4, 2011 Illinois

    I would have to say it isn't yet on the level of 3f and Cantillon. We just had it on tap where I work and I drank a ton of it. Sours arent very popular where I am so it lasted a good while. I find it to have a lot less depth that 3f or Cantillon. No where near the funk and mustiness as I had side by side with 3F. But if you don't like those things it might be better to you.
  19. ShemRahBoo

    ShemRahBoo Defender (604) Jan 28, 2010 New Jersey
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    Agreed, but I don't see it anymore. The mariage parfait kriek was really good and i loved being able to buy it a couple times a month for half a year.

    Now for my sleeper that you can find...Liefmans cuvee-brut. This stuff has great cherry flavor, it is not a complete sour bomb but fills the sour fix. Flavor is really good try it if you haven't...don't expect lambic level sourness though.
  20. TheBeerTruck

    TheBeerTruck Aspirant (203) Feb 29, 2012 Michigan
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    The Sour Series from Arbor Brewing:
    Demetrius - barrel aged sour IPA
    Sodobo - barrel aged blonde sour
    Framboozled - wild ale with raspberries and strawberries
    Flamboyant Wild Amber - sour flanders

    In that order.
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  21. poopinmybutt

    poopinmybutt Initiate (83) May 25, 2005 Nebraska

    it's too expensive
  22. TheBeerTruck

    TheBeerTruck Aspirant (203) Feb 29, 2012 Michigan
    Beer Trader

    What's too expensive?
  23. YogiBeer

    YogiBeer Initiate (0) May 10, 2012 Illinois

    Not anymore.
  24. schnarr84

    schnarr84 Zealot (569) Nov 27, 2011 Alberta (Canada)

    speaking of shelf beers, just bought a 08 cantillon grand cru brouscella off shelf today. 25$, will be having it shortly. all lambics are shelf beers in calgary, quite sad. 09 and 10 cantillons on shelf and 11 tilquins and 3f
  25. harrymel

    harrymel Initiate (0) Dec 15, 2010 Washington

    Sadness is not an emotion I registered upon reading this.
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  26. itsiilegal

    itsiilegal Initiate (0) Feb 13, 2013 California

    There is a Cantillon shelf turd secret in the US. . .
  27. TongoRad

    TongoRad Poo-Bah (1,990) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
    Supporter Beer Trader

    I think I pay like $10 for the 375ml bottle. The price may keep it from flying off of the shelves, but compared to the others on that same shelf (Timmerman's, Hanssen's) it's a steal.

    Now you guys have me paranoid, though, that word will get out :wink:. Maybe I should get some more for the cellar- just in case...
  28. imperialking

    imperialking Savant (998) Jul 1, 2008 Illinois
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    I remember a day when Cantillion and 3F sat on the shelves everywhere. Sadly, those days are far gone. I wonder what happened?

    Oh, that's right, it's because people like you start stupid threads like this one. Thanks alot for contributing to the downfall.
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  29. Padraig

    Padraig Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2013 United Kingdom (England)
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    Oh for God's sake I only tried Tilquin for the first time on Monday. It's great stuff.

    Can we stop blowing it up already?
  30. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    There are several cases sitting in my local shop as we speak....if your post is seen by people in my area and the supply is subsequently sold I will be suing you.
  31. deadonhisfeet

    deadonhisfeet Poo-Bah (1,500) Apr 23, 2011 Kentucky

    Good call. Boon gets slammed for sweetening their kriek and frambois, but they certainly don't sweeten this one. Bonus points for being 8% ABV.
  32. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Savant (957) Mar 17, 2009 Washington
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    It's priced well for the market. Which is why it's fairly easy to get. The percentage of beer drinkers that can buy it regularly generally drop their money on Cantillon because it's shows how hard you ball. Tilquin isn't as cool.

    Great gueuze though. It shot into the top of the pack very quickly.
  33. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    Are there people out there that have the option of either picking Tiquin or Cantillon off the shelf? I see Tiquin on the shelf all the time where Cantillon I've only seen a few times and it was hush hush wink wink behind the counter.
  34. F2brewers

    F2brewers Defender (653) Mar 12, 2005 Massachusetts
    Subscriber Beer Trader

    If I may add a bit more information and clarity here...

    The initial batches of Tilquin *did* contain wort (not lambic) produced by both Cantillon and 3F because Pierre worked for at time at both breweries.

    Current batches do not contain wort produced by 3F because, well, until this past winter, Armand had not brewed lambic on any commercial scale since the disaster in 2009. Most of the last of his lambic (I'm sure he's got some squirreled away somewhere) went into the Armand '4 and Golden Blend Gueuzes. That should change going forward.

    Also, there's a *huge* difference between obtaining the wort brewed by a lambic brewer and obtaining the lambic itself. The barrels used, local conditions, treatment of the lambic during fermentation and, ultimately, the art of the blender go a significant way into determing the taste of the final product. It's not like Tilquin is buying finished lambic beer from other brewers/blenders and just mixing them together. They ferment the wort into lambic and then blend it their own way.

    Remember too that lambic and gueuze are very different and not so easily compared.

    Strictly speaking, straight unblended lambic is still or very lightly carbonated at best since it is beer from a single brewing season. Few straight lambics are commercially available in the bottle (Cantillon Grand Cru Bruoscella, Oude Lambic De Cam), though in Belgium, you can find them on draft/cask. Generally, they are a minimum of 18 months old.

    Fruited lambics are different since they are carbonated they tend to be 24+ months old. They may or may not be blends.

    Gueuze is a blend of lambics (traditionall 1, 2 and 3 year blends, though there are others (e.g., Golden Blend)) that is usually carbonated (though exceptions like Loerik and Doesjel are out there).

  35. crusian

    crusian Crusader (738) May 14, 2010 Oregon
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    Someone tell me how this is the same base... Do they use cantillon to blend, yes. Do they use others, yes. Does cantillon use anything but cantillon? I don't think do, but not sure.
  36. geocool

    geocool Initiate (175) Jun 21, 2006 Massachusetts

    I had no idea that Cantillon was selling their wort to anyone else. I found confirmation here. Thanks for posting!
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  37. yamar68

    yamar68 Initiate (0) Apr 1, 2011 Minnesota

    The best kept secret in sour beer is Red Peak's Brikkita.
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  38. JAXSON

    JAXSON Savant (912) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Tilquin is good...though it's been around for almost two years, and was pretty hyped at first, and is very well known at this point, so it's far from a secret to most beer nerds.

    Also, most 3 Fonteinen geuze blends Girardin, Boon, and Lindemans lambic, so you keep saying it's "the same", but that's a stretch.
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  39. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Savant (957) Mar 17, 2009 Washington
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    Cantillon is on the internet shelves 24/7
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  40. evilcatfish

    evilcatfish Defender (620) May 11, 2012 Missouri
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    Its really no secret but I think Cuvee Renee is the most bang for your buck out there
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