Priming in the Keg

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  1. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,238) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Anyone priming in the keg? Is it worth it?

    Why am I thinking about this? I can keep only two kegs on CO2, but have three corny kegs. I was thinking that if I prime the third keg by adding sugar, it would be primed and ready to serve when one of the others kicks.
     
  2. rmalinowski4

    rmalinowski4 Pundit (753) Oct 22, 2010 Illinois

    I'm thinking about doing the same thing for the same reasons but haven't tried it yet.
     
  3. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,409) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    It works just as well as priming in the bottle. Keep in mind that you have to add some pressure to seal the keg, so you're not entirely off the hook (the beer will absorb some of that). Some recommend using slightly less priming sugar when kegging. This is to avoid overcarbing - the CO2 will automatically correct undercarbing without you doing anything (I guess that's why it's called 'automatic'), but overcarbing will take an extra step to correct (burping the keg until it's right). I haven't done the math, but my gut tells me that CO2 is cheaper than sugar, at least if you own a 20# tank (the numbers change dramatically with 5#).
     
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  4. clearbrew

    clearbrew Initiate (0) Nov 3, 2009 Louisiana

    When I fill my kegs now, I get some fairly cloudy beers for the first few pints. My fear is that keg carbonating will leave me with such a large amount of sediment that I might be drinking a gallon or so of cloudy, sub-par beer. Just to save a day or two of waiting.
     
  5. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Essentially tried this today (in addition to fermenting in the keg) by pulling out a # of toasted coconut from a keg of lightly carbonated stout (4 gal) and adding 5 grams of wine yeast to get rid of some of the sweetness. I've got a gauge and bleeder valve hooked up to the keg just in case the secondary fermentation gets out of hand...wish me luck :grimacing: ...cleaning the keg in question should be a real treat.
     
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  6. WickedSluggy

    WickedSluggy Savant (1,105) Nov 21, 2008 Texas

    A lot of brewers perform a secondary in the keg. I do it sometimes. It usually does not produce an extreme amount of sediment, but it does produce more than kegging a finished beer. If you know that the keg is going to stay put, it should only produces a couple pints of beer with sediment. Once the sediment around the dip-tube is sucked up, the beer clears up and remains clear unless you subsequently disturb the keg. So keep that in mind.

    I have not tried adding sugar, but on a few occasions I have racked a to a keg for a secondary fermentation and allowed it to "carb up". Drinking the lightly carbonated beer is like drinking cask ale. I kind of think of it like that, but obviously it will not produce enough pressure and carbonation to dispense the entire 5 gallons. Even if you add sugar, you're not going to avoid using CO2 unless you’re going to pump the beer with some sort of beer engine. We are just talking about conditioning not dispensing.
     
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  7. Crack2000

    Crack2000 Initiate (0) Dec 10, 2010 Texas

    I've done this several times with success. I like to have a few kegs on standby so there is always something on hand when one of the taps runs dry. I use the standard amount of priming sugar, CO2 to seal, and set it in a closet and forget it. Sediment is minimal and beer is ready to go as soon as you put it on. I'm a big fan.
     
  8. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,409) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    I carb my kegs with CO2 before storing them in a closet to wait for a free tap. They're ready when I am! :slight_smile:
     
  9. spartan1979

    spartan1979 Pundit (958) Dec 29, 2005 Missouri

    Why not just get another "T", some gas hose and another gas disconnect?
     
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  10. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,238) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Sugar vs. CO2 would amount to only a minor savings, as sugar is quite inexpensive. It's not the sort of savings that would factor into my thoughts on this.

    However, I am on your side about the CO2 - bigger tanks are better. My 5#er recently ran out and I went to exchange it. The shop didn't have any 5#ers ready for exchange so he gave me a 10#er. The guy said he charges the same for a filled 10#er and 5#er ($14), and he didn't charge me for trading up tank size. Now I should be able to refill half as often. Fewer trips to the store (a little out of the way for me) and reduced possibility of running out of gas at bad time, plus a minor savings. Three plusses!

    It sounds like you must have an extra gas line in order to prime the kegs. If I had another gas line, I'd just need another hose and I could be serving three at once. But I only have a double regulator. I could get a splitter, as Spartan describes:

    Might pursue this option. Or maybe get two splitters, and another keg:slight_smile: However, I can't just buy brewing hardware willy-nilly; my wife might think I am addicted to the hobby. Have to bide my time, wait for the right moment...
     
  11. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    That would be my fear, too: I keep imagine two cases worth of that bottom of the bottle sediment in the keg.

    And besides, you can carbonate a keg in about 15 minutes using the shake and bake method, then drink it within a few hours.
     
  12. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,238) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I've never done this. I always set to serving pressure and let it carb over several weeks.
     
  13. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,409) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    ditto
    I was keeping an eye out for a 5# tank to use as a spare, but found a deal on a second 20#. It was a no-brainer! I can now go 5 years between refills if I'm so inclined, though I actually relax knowing I have a 2.5 year window to get the empty one refilled. :slight_smile:
    I keep my CO2 in the closet with my kegs. I teed off the line going to the keezer for this purpose (and also for purging, etc. It's a 20' line, so I can use it pretty much wherever I need it). It serves me well
    (For some reason, I'm imagining Sofia Vergara's voice growling: "then jou are not a r-r-r-r-real man!" :slight_smile:)
     
  14. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,238) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Imagine Sofia, but with a Fargo-esque upper midwestern accent, and you've described my wife to a T!
     
  15. JrGtr

    JrGtr Pooh-Bah (1,763) Apr 13, 2006 Massachusetts
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    I'm planning on this top-level but because I don't have the scratch and place for a full kegorator. I'm planning on carving with sugar, and using the party charger for dispensing for the moment, till I have money and space for a full setup.
     
  16. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    And that's probably the best way to do it. But I'm just saying that if the goal in keg priming is to save time, there are ways of force carbonating that take very little time.
     
  17. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,946) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    I frequently add ~3oz of corn sugar when I keg, just add enough CO2 to seal the lid. It seems I read somewhere that this helps the yeast eat any oxygen that ends up in the keg from racking.

    Honestly, the main reason I do it is because I bought 5lbs of corn sugar right before I started kegging and I am trying to use it up :slight_smile: But, I figure it can't hurt.
     
  18. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,238) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    When I bottle prime (which I sometimes do despite the kegging system), I use table sugar. Formerly, I used corn sugar. I can see no difference. When I spoke of sugar being cheap, earlier in this thread, I was thinking table sugar.
     
  19. mugs1789

    mugs1789 Zealot (611) Dec 6, 2005 Maryland

    I prime with corn sugar sometimes if I won't be adding a keg to the keezer for a few weeks or months. I also have a pound or two of corn sugar at home that I will never use otherwise. I haven't noticed additonal sediment but I'm sure its there.
     
  20. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,363) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Peter, are you saying that your wife looks like Sofia Vergara!?!

    Dude, you are one lucky man!!!

    Cheers!
     
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