Proper Cantillon aging

Discussion in 'Cellaring / Aging Beer' started by MexicanSkittel, Aug 13, 2012.

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  1. MexicanSkittel

    MexicanSkittel Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2010 California

    Well it's got a cork like wine, should this be stored on its side like wine?
     
  2. cfh64

    cfh64 Pooh-Bah (2,058) Aug 16, 2005 Texas
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    Ask stupac, I dare you :slight_smile:
     
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  3. black13

    black13 Initiate (0) Apr 11, 2010 Oregon

    In my cellar laying on it's side. I suppose you could also lay it on it's side in your cellar as well.
     
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  4. stupac2

    stupac2 Pooh-Bah (2,031) Feb 22, 2011 California
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    Muahaha.

    I am of the opinion that it doesn't matter and you should do whatever you want.

    (Right now mine are all upright because that's the most convenient way to store them. If I ever specifically build something to hold them I'd probably store them on their side because that gives you access to more bottles at once.)
     
  5. Beerandraiderfan

    Beerandraiderfan Initiate (0) Apr 14, 2009 Nevada

    Beer should be aged in an outer space cellar if you want to keep it from aging as fast as it would in a mere Earthly cellar.
     
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  6. quirkzoo

    quirkzoo Initiate (0) Jul 7, 2011 Colorado

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  7. quirkzoo

    quirkzoo Initiate (0) Jul 7, 2011 Colorado

    Clearly I was drinking while I posted this, you know what I meant.
     
  8. LambicKing

    LambicKing Initiate (0) Apr 13, 2011 Germany

    Diagonally...
     
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  9. podunkparte

    podunkparte Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2009 Washington

    Oh good, another one of these.

    Short answer is cellar it horizontal or vertical. Just pick one and use it. It's not going to matter that much.
     
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  10. barls

    barls Initiate (0) Nov 15, 2006 Australia

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    from the brewery itself
     
  11. BeerThursdays

    BeerThursdays Initiate (0) Feb 28, 2010 Delaware
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    Barls, on the off chance that you took that photo, are all of the bottles labeled, or just that one? I always figured they were unlabeled until they are ready to ship.
     
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  12. afrokaze

    afrokaze Pooh-Bah (1,950) Jun 12, 2009 Oregon
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    Good thing I invested in an anti-gravity chamber, gravity really degrades your beer over time.
     
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  13. stupac2

    stupac2 Pooh-Bah (2,031) Feb 22, 2011 California
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    That explains all the dead fireflies clinging to the bottle you sent me.
     
  14. Homebrew42

    Homebrew42 Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2006 New York

    This is, of course, how they store their bottles at Cantillon, there is, however, no evidence to suggest that they've tried it both ways and have come to the conclusion that this way is better, more like "this is the way we do it because this is the way we've always done it".

    Also, think about this, how would you store that many bottles vertically? Perhaps they simply started storing them this way from the beginning due to space constraints and nothing more.
     
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  15. MaxSpang

    MaxSpang Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2011 Ohio
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    Serious question - has anyone had a vintage Cantillon and thought "This tastes like it was aged improperly" ?
     
  16. Homebrew42

    Homebrew42 Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2006 New York

    Serious answer - Say the answer to your question is "no", what does that prove? It proves that either the way Cantillon does it better OR it makes no difference OR if it does make a difference people can't tell with just a single data point (in other words you'd need to do a blind side by side to notice the differnece).

    Basically what I'm trying to say is, it proves nothing, it would be like saying "I drive a red car and it drives great, therefore red cars are better than blue cars".
     
  17. stupac2

    stupac2 Pooh-Bah (2,031) Feb 22, 2011 California
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    That's what I've been saying for a while now. It seems really obvious to me that lambic brewers (and probably also wineries) started doing this for expediency's sake and then have kept doing it because it continues to be expedient. And because they're humans they rationalize that it's better this way.

    (Although there is the "keeping the cork wet" business, it was never clear to me if sideways storage actually helps this, especially with beer.)
     
  18. MaxSpang

    MaxSpang Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2011 Ohio
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    That's kinda my point (though I was legitimately asking as well)... 'loons are probably gonna be delicious no matter how they were aged. There seems to be a thread about how Cantillon beers should be stored every few weeks, and they almost always end with a split consensus.
     
  19. Beerandraiderfan

    Beerandraiderfan Initiate (0) Apr 14, 2009 Nevada

    Yup. It goes both ways on this vertical/horizontal thing/debate, and pretty much everything under the sun.

    Been reading a great book: Voodoo Science: The Road from Foolishness to Fraud by physics professor Robert L. Park.
    "I came to realize that many people choose scientific beliefs the same way they choose to be Methodists, or Democrats, or Chicago Cubs fans. They judge science by how well it agrees with the way they want the world to be."
     
  20. stupac2

    stupac2 Pooh-Bah (2,031) Feb 22, 2011 California
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    Well, sometimes. A good scientists trusts the data and allows it to convince them their beliefs are wrong (like that one Berkeley guy who independently ran the temperature data and found that it did indeed show warming). That doesn't always (or even often) happen, but I think that quote goes a bit too far. Although it looks like his book is talking about homeopathy, free energy, and UFOs, so I suppose in those areas it's pretty apt.
     
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