Rare Beers Stolen from Cantillon

Discussion in 'Beer News' started by Hindsight, May 9, 2014.

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  1. Hindsight

    Hindsight Initiate (0) Oct 8, 2011 Ohio

    Per the Cantillon Facebook page...
  2. The_Craft_Deviant_Rob

    The_Craft_Deviant_Rob Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2014 New Jersey

    This is the opposite of what craft beer is about. It sickens me that people would go down this road and steal like that.
  3. Stevedore

    Stevedore Grand Pooh-Bah (5,010) Nov 16, 2012 Oregon
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    FTFY. Stealing is wrong, no matter what is being stolen. I don't know if I would ever use the word "sicken" as that seems hyperbolic for me, but it definitely does make me shake my head.
  4. nesarebad

    nesarebad Pooh-Bah (1,742) Feb 4, 2012 Massachusetts
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    It is not surprising, valuable commodities are stolen every day. 100% guarantee that this thief will have no problem getting what they want from this whether it is $ or beer in trade.
  5. prdstmnky

    prdstmnky Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2010 Vermont

    Wow, thats really shitty. Seems this was someone who was "in the circle" so to speak, not just a visitor passing through.
  6. The_Craft_Deviant_Rob

    The_Craft_Deviant_Rob Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2014 New Jersey

    I see what you're saying, the reason I chose the word sicken was for emphasis on how I can't stand that there are people who would "become" a part of a sharing joyous culture, just to take advantage of the people in said culture. 99% of people I've met through beer have been awesome people, whether drinking or not and it seriously bothers me that someone would steal from a trusting brewery, and then on top of that, take advantage of this group of people I hold dear to me.
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  7. Shroud0fdoom

    Shroud0fdoom Initiate (0) Oct 31, 2013 Maryland

    "The love of money is the root of all sorts of injurious things". I pity the lack of morality in today's society.
  8. nesarebad

    nesarebad Pooh-Bah (1,742) Feb 4, 2012 Massachusetts
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    Perhaps someone that was there to brew?
  9. ShogoKawada

    ShogoKawada Initiate (0) May 31, 2009 Pennsylvania

    the rumors are already starting on FB. Most people have a good idea who it was.
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  10. codasnap52

    codasnap52 Initiate (0) Jan 24, 2008 Connecticut

    Heard it was one of Jean's beloved amphoras. Any truth to this?

    If that was the case its extra disheartening, as it is one of the real exciting projects going on over at Cantillon.
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  11. herrburgess

    herrburgess Pooh-Bah (2,991) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina

    So you go to Cantillon, where you are not only free to wander the premises unaccompanied but are also surrounded by excellent, readily available beers for purchase and nearly unlimited consumption -- not to mention great people to share both beer and conversation with -- and instead you choose to steal something just because a bunch of beer geeks have deemed it ultra rare and desirable and placed it at the top of some Excel file of "White Whales"?

    Absolutely pathetic.
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  12. SerialTicker

    SerialTicker Initiate (0) Jun 18, 2012 Michigan

    I'm having a difficult time comprehending the quote, but I get the gist of it.

    Sounds like a stand-up guy! He'll get caught eventually, I figure. Shouldn't be too hard to find him.
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  13. Moopband

    Moopband Initiate (0) Jul 20, 2010 New York

    What's their thought process of not even saying which beers were taken. At least then people would be aware of that when buying or trading and the public can potentially call him out.
  14. KevTurnersBootburn

    KevTurnersBootburn Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2014 Massachusetts

    I hope you actually know the people at this brewery, otherwise this is seriously making me cringe reading it.
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  15. suspect

    suspect Savant (1,079) Apr 12, 2010 New York

    According to their page they know who the piece of shit is that couldn't leave well enough alone.
  16. Providence

    Providence Pooh-Bah (2,376) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    Don't romanticize the past, we've got no less morality now, just more media coverage of it.
  17. tobelerone

    tobelerone Grand Pooh-Bah (4,054) Dec 1, 2010 New Jersey
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    There's no need to pile on beer geeks or even list geeks here. This should more accurately read "you chose to steal something just because you're SELFISH AND A CRIMINAL."
  18. Ieatlambfries

    Ieatlambfries Maven (1,293) Dec 5, 2003 New Jersey

    Nah, this is exactly what craft beer is about nowadays. Entitlement.

    Wasn't always like this. Getting stupider by the year.
  19. herrburgess

    herrburgess Pooh-Bah (2,991) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina

    Maybe it's just me, but I doubt that simple selfishness and criminality was the motivation behind this theft.
  20. SpecialAgentDaleCooper

    SpecialAgentDaleCooper Initiate (0) Aug 27, 2013 California

    It sounds like he was outed on Facebook, but maybe they deleted the comments because I can't discern who it might have been. Does anyone know? Was it some idiot on a tour or a distinguished guest, like a brewer from the US?
  21. LeRose

    LeRose Grand Pooh-Bah (3,427) Nov 24, 2011 Massachusetts
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    Whoever purchases said bottles is equally guilty, and maybe Cantillon should publish a list. There's no place for this period - not just in the beer-verse. Anybody making light of this get a clue - a gracious host was taken advantage of and trust was violated. The theft of some beer, in the context of the world's problems - well, God's wrath won't be coming down - I get that. But ours should.

    The fact that some asshole did it and will seek (and most likely achieve) profit from the act is the problem from the broader moral perspective and unfortunately symptomatic of the human condition.
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  22. afrokaze

    afrokaze Pooh-Bah (1,871) Jun 12, 2009 Oregon

    Remind me again, when did society every have morality?
  23. RblWthACoz

    RblWthACoz Initiate (0) Aug 19, 2006 Pennsylvania

    You are exactly right. Something significantly more sinister: beer geekery.

    There's nothing new under the sun.
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  24. andrewinski1

    andrewinski1 Initiate (0) Apr 14, 2009 New Hampshire

    What is simple selfishness and criminality? Snidely Whiplash? Every criminal has a complex history and past that paints their decisions to join the life of crime.
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  25. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina

    A sad as the POS here that steal beer here in trades with trusting BA's. Really?
  26. tobelerone

    tobelerone Grand Pooh-Bah (4,054) Dec 1, 2010 New Jersey
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    Craft beer is about entitlement and theft now? People are stealing rare beer because of lists?

    I hear where you guys are coming from but I haven't experienced any of this personally, my interactions with the "community" have been almost universally positive and marked by exceptional generosity and community spirit. Maybe it's because (as I suspect you both might be), I'm in my forties and don't spend my time my 21 year olds (not bashing the young, just saying...well maybe a little), and dont' (can't) spend all my time at releases waiting in lines (once in a rare while I guess). I get that there are bad apples here and in any community, but I think it's painting with an incredibly broad brush to make sweeping statements like these.

    The motivation for stealing these beers may have something to do with their "status" among beer geeks, but the person responsible IS selfish and criminal, and that doesn't have anything to do with beer
  27. PA-Michigander

    PA-Michigander Grand Pooh-Bah (3,248) Nov 10, 2013 Pennsylvania
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    So it appears they know who it is but don't want that persons name out there. I don't get why they would keep it private. Name the guilty person if they know, for sure, it was them.

    Hell I have no problem outing someone that stole from me, right @BrandonOakes?
  28. ShogoKawada

    ShogoKawada Initiate (0) May 31, 2009 Pennsylvania

    most of these bottles have multiple multiple multiple ones in circulation. Wouldn't do any good.
  29. mattosgood

    mattosgood Initiate (0) Jan 13, 2014 Massachusetts

    Maybe my attitude is dismissive, but people do crappy things. It is what it is.

    It makes little sense to call these people names or, even worse, to publicly go on record with some pedestal statement like, "Oh my god! I would never do anything like that! Real BA's wouldn't do that! It's these newcomers to the movement!"

    Let's be honest. Most of us wouldn't do that. Just like most of us wouldn't make racist comments or rob stores or kill people. Let's not pat ourselves on the back for not being scummy. Just don't be scummy.

    Good day everyone! I've got some Evil Twin Lil B that I purchased - legally! - that will be consumed tonight
  30. nesarebad

    nesarebad Pooh-Bah (1,742) Feb 4, 2012 Massachusetts
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    Its gotta be someone in the industry so I could see some reasons for not wanting to go down that route.
  31. PA-Michigander

    PA-Michigander Grand Pooh-Bah (3,248) Nov 10, 2013 Pennsylvania
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    Then why say anything at all?
  32. kdb150

    kdb150 Initiate (0) Mar 8, 2012 Pennsylvania

    The person who stole them and then tried to sell them ain't too bright. You don't steal something that is rare and hard-to-find, and then immediately try to sell it in a public forum. Learn from art thieves, dumbass.

    I'm much more tolerant of thieves than I am of idiots. We should be piling on the idiocy, not the theft.
  33. mushrooms

    mushrooms Initiate (0) Dec 24, 2013 Uzbekistan

    there are not that many bottles "in circulation" of the bottles that were stolen. when some of the most desirable bottles on the planet suddenly show up in one place, it is a red flag and easy enough to notice. we're not talking like 5 year old Classic Gueuze here, man.
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  34. nesarebad

    nesarebad Pooh-Bah (1,742) Feb 4, 2012 Massachusetts
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    Maybe getting out there will get them to come to their senses and stop it.
  35. King_Ranch

    King_Ranch Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2014 Texas

    I wonder if the thief is on BA?
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  36. grze

    grze Maven (1,460) Apr 17, 2012 Virginia

    I hope it wasn't Soleil....then, I'll probably never ever try it :slight_frown:
  37. Stinky-Dinkins

    Stinky-Dinkins Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2013 New Hampshire

    Totally. It sounds like there's no doubt whatsoever as to who did this, so if anything the community should know so it:

    1: Prevents the possibility of unknowingly trading with this person for these bottles, or anything else ever (as he obviously can't be trusted).

    2: Shame the guy who did it. Might as well call a dickhead a dickhead.
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  38. mushrooms

    mushrooms Initiate (0) Dec 24, 2013 Uzbekistan

    Nobody is trying to trade these bottles.
  39. Stinky-Dinkins

    Stinky-Dinkins Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2013 New Hampshire

    OK, great. So you think the person in question will never trade or sell anything again, ever? If there's no question as to who did this, and it sounds like there isn't, this person should be known so everyone knows not to deal with him not just for these specific bottles but for anything, not only because he obviously can't be trusted but also because he doesn't deserve to continue to use/participate in the community after doing something like this.

    What possible reason would there be for not outing this person? That makes no sense at all to me.
  40. kdb150

    kdb150 Initiate (0) Mar 8, 2012 Pennsylvania

    I'm guessing the reason is collateral damage to a brewery when it isn't justified. If a brewery's employee did this, then the brewery that the person works for may experience some serious backlash as a result. No reason to affect the livelihood of the brewery owners and employees for the actions of one person who works there. They don't deserve that.
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