Rarest, most valuable beer?

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  1. Bradystraps

    Bradystraps Initiate (0) Jan 24, 2013 Connecticut
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    I'm wondering, do people collect beer like wine and do these collectible brews actually gain value with time like wines do? Please forgive me if this seems like a newbie question. I am a newbie to this hobby! :grinning:

    How long can a beer actually remain drinkable if collected? What are some of the most coveted beers?

    Thanks, gents.
  2. AlaskanYoung

    AlaskanYoung Disciple (379) Dec 1, 2011 Arkansas

    Sink the bismarck and tactical nuclear peguin i just picked up says drink before 2020. They were about $110/each. Im sure if i dont drink them they'll gain some value
  3. atoulouk

    atoulouk Aspirant (268) Apr 25, 2011 Indiana
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    Here's the list of the biggest "whales" or the most sought after beers in the world. Beers that are only made once will gain value over time as the # of those beers available become smaller. Beers can remain drinkable for many years depending on the alcohol content and style, but different people believe different things about when different beers are in their "prime."

    1 Hair of the Dog Dave
    2 Cantillon Soleil de Minuit
    3 Cantillon Spuyten Duyvil
    4 Drie Fonteinen Framboos 1999
    5 Cantillon Loerik
    6 Midnight Sun M Belgian Style Barleywine
    7 Cantillon Don Quijote
    8 De Struise Dirty Horse (100% 1983, 90%/10%, 100% 2005)
    9 Cantillon/Drie Fonteinen Akkarat Exclusives**
    10 Lost Abbey Veritas 005
    11 Lost Abbey Yellow Bus
    12 Cantillon LH12
    13 Cantillon Finland Exclusives*
    14 Drie Fonteinen 50th Anniversary
    15 Cantillon Bourgogne Lambic
    16 Cantillon Pikkulinnun Viskilambic
    17 Sam Adams Millenium
    18 Drie Fonteinen Selectie C
    19 Drie Fonteinen Millennium Gueuze
    20 Cantillon Pinot d'Anuis
    21 Flossmoor Station Wooden Hell
    22 Cantillon Feestbier
    23 Bullfrog Black Cherry Bomb
    24 De Dolle Stille Nacht Reserva 2000
    25 Drie Fonteinen J&J Roze
    26 Russian River Beatification PH1
    27 Drie Fonteinen Oude Gueuze 1999
    28 Drie Fonteinen J&J Blauw
    29 Surly Darkness 2007
    30 Bullfrog Beekeeper
    31 Cantillon Brabantiae
    32 Lost Abbey Veritas 004
    33 Lost Abbey Cable Car Kriek
    34 Russian River Toronado 20th
    35 Russian River Depuration
    36 Cantillon Blabaer Batch 1-4
    37 Drie Fonteinen Framboos 2011
    38 Cantillon Zwanze 2008
    39 Cantillon 50N4E
    40 Lost Abbey Cable Car 2007
    41 Cantillon Jean Chris Nomad
    42 (tie) Lost Abbey Veritas 001
    42 (tie) Drie Fonteinen Malvasia Rosso/Druiven Gueuze
    42 (tie) Russian River Deviation
    45 Gasthaus-Brauerei Braustelle Eszett Geuze
    46 Narke Kaagen! Stormaktsporter
    47 Three Floyds Pappy Van Winkle Dark Lord
    48 Three Floyds Dark Lord 2004
    49 Midnight Sun Sloth
    50 Lost Abbey Le Woody Brune
    51 Cantillon Crianza Helena
    52 Cantillon La Demiere Cuvee Du 89
    53 De Dolle Speciaal Brouwsel 20th
    54 Bullfrog Blue Cheer
    55 The Bruery Barrel Aged Partridge in a Pear Tree
    56 Narke Konjaks! Stormaktsporter
    57 Lost Abbey Isabelle Proximus
    58 Hair of the Dog Eve
    59 Hill Farmstead Ann
    60 50/50 Eclipse - Pappy Van Winkle
    61 Drie Fonteinen Hommage
    62 Portsmouth Kate the Great 2006
    63 New Belgium Bottleworks 10th Anniversary La Folie
    64 Narke Svensk El! Stormaktsporter
    65 East End Gratitude 2005
    66 Mikkeller X 2006
    67 Three Floyds Brandy Vanilla Dark Lord
    68 Southamtpon Berliner Weiss
    69 New Belgium Falling Rock La Folie
    70 Cigar City Apple Brandy Hunahpus
    71 Narke Stormaktsporter
    72 The Bruery Rye/Bourbon/Brandy Papier
    73 Belle Vue Selection Lambic 1999
    74 Cantillon Kersengueuze
    75 Lost Abbey Cable Car 2009
    76 Lost Abbey Veritas 002
    77 Portsmouth Double Oaked Kate the Great
    78 Lost Abbey Cable Car 2008
    79 Alesmith Barrel Aged Speedway Stout 2003
    80 Hair of the Dog Adam from the Wood Batch 1
    81 Cantillon Blabaer Batch 4+
    82 Mikkeller X 2007 - Barrel Aged
    83 Three Floyds Bourbon Vanilla Dark Lord
    84 Lost Abbey Veritas 003
    85 Cantillon Fou Foune Pre-2004
    86 Lost Abbey Veritas 006
    87 Lost Abbey Veritas 007
    88 Cantillon Pre-2000 Gueuze, Kriek, St. Lamvinus, Rose
    89 New Belgium Twisted Spoke 15th Anniversary
    90 Cantillon Framboise
    91 Russian River Beatification Batch 1-3
    92 Girardin Fond Gueuze Bierpallieters
    93 Rodenbach Alexander Rodenbach
    94 The Bruery Partridge in a Pear Tree
    95 Nørrebro Bryghus Saison Lambic Pinot Noir
    96 Stone Vertical Epic 020202
    97 Lost Abbey Cable Car 2010
    98 Boston Beer Company Utopias 2002, 2003
    99 Lost Abbey Duck Duck Gooze
    100 The Bruery Black Tuesday 2009

    Best of the Rest:

    101 Dogfish Head Festine Lente
    102 50/50 Eclipse - Old Fitzgerald
    103 Midnight Sun Lust
    104 Fantome De Pissenlit Strong
    105 Pelican Perfect Storm 2008
    106 The Bruery Chocolate Rain batch 1
    107 Bullfrog Strawberry Fields
    108 Three Floyds Bourbon BA Dark Lord
    109 Goose Island Rare Bourbon County Stout
    110 50/50 Iced Eclipse
    111 Allagash Gargamel
    112 Lindeman's Loerik
    113 Troegs Splinter Gold
    114 De Dolle Stille Nacht Reserva 2008
    115 Westvleteren Special 6
    116 Cigar City Bourbon BA Hunahpus
    117 Brasserie de la Senne Crianza
    118 Cigar City Rum Barrel Hunahpu’s
    119 Captain Lawrence Cuvee De Castleton Batch 1
    120 Cigar City Whiskey BA Hunahpus
    121 Cantillon Pre-2002 Lou Pepe Gueuze
    122 Hill Farmstead Mimosa
    123 Three Floyds Dark Lord De Muerte
    124 Cantillon Pre-2002 Lou Pepe Kriek/Framboise
    125 Jolly Pumpkin Perseguidor 3
    126 Framboise for the Cure Batch 1 2010
    127 Captain Lawrence Flaming Fury
    128 Drie Fonteinen Oude Geuze - Armand & Tommy
    129 General Lafayette 275th Anniversary
    130 De Struise Pannepot Wild
    131 Three Floyds Cognac BA Dark Lord
    132 Portsmouth Kate the Great 2007
    133 Jolly Pumpkin Perseguidor (Batch 1)
    134 Lost Abbey Veritas 010
    135 Jolly Pumpkin Perseguidor (Batch 2) - Oro De Calabaza Reserve
    136 Three Floyds Brandy Barrel Dark Lord
    137 Cantillon Fou Foune 2004-2009
    138 Alesmith BA Speedway Stout 2004
    139 Southampton Peconic County Reserve Ale
    140 Three Floyds Dark Lord 2005
    141 Southampton Black Raspberry Lambic
    142 Old Chimneys Good King Henry Special Reserve
    143 Heavyweight Barrel Aged Old Salty (2005)
    144 Cantillon 2003-2004 Lou Pepe Gueuze
    145 Midnight Sun Bar Fly
    146 Surly Two
    147 Portsmouth Kate the Great 2008
    148 Fish Brewing Merlot Barrel Aged Leviathan (Batch 2, November 2000)
    149 Allagash Vagabond
    150 Three Floyds Cognac de Muerte Dark Lord
    151 Troegs Splinter Blue
    152 Odonata Beer Company Rorie's Ale
    153 Great Lakes Barrel Aged Blackout Stout 2005
    154 Fish Brewing Merlot Barrel Aged Poseidon (Batch 2, November 2000)
    155 Mikkeller Big Bad
    156 Hill Farmstead Damon
    157 Fantôme Santé 1!
    158 Tilquin Quetsche Lambic
    159 Hill Farmstead Biere de Norma
    160 Goose Island Bourbon County Stout 2003, 2005
    161 Drie Fonteinene Oude Geuze Vintage
    162 De Struise Double Black
    163 Russian River Toronado 25th
    164 Churchill's Finest 2012
    165 De Struise Special Kay
    166 Cantillon Rose, Kriek (750ml)
    167 Cantillon Gueuze (750ml)
    168 Bell's Black Note
    169 Jolly Pumpkin Luciérnaga, The Firefly - Grand Reserve
    170 Abbaye De Saint Bon-Chien Grand Cru (Aged In Bourbon Barrels)
    173 Abbaye De Saint Bon-Chien Grand Cru (Aged In Cabernet Barrels)
    171 Fantôme Santé 2!
    172 Fantôme Santé 3!
    173 Fantôme Santé 4!
    174 Sixpoint Bolshoi
    175 Three Floyds Dark Lord 2006
    176 Abbaye De Saint Bon-Chien Grand Cru (Aged In Pinot Noir Barrels)
    177 Fantôme Santé X!
  4. pearljam118

    pearljam118 Aspirant (295) Jul 5, 2008 Pennsylvania

    Drinkable and prime drinking time are not the equal
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  5. Duffman929

    Duffman929 Aspirant (279) Nov 27, 2010 Illinois
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    If your beers are from the midwest, they are more valuable than if they are from the west coast.
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  6. RPH2327

    RPH2327 Disciple (319) Dec 5, 2010 Pennsylvania

    The truth is that all beer must be consumed ASAP; it looses flavor and value with each passing minute.

    Please ignore my WBAYDN post from yesterday about a year-old Palo Santo Marron - it was awful and I clearly wasn't thinking right.
  7. Zimbo

    Zimbo Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2010 United Kingdom (Scotland)

    Is that it?? :grinning:
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  8. stupac2

    stupac2 Zealot (518) Feb 22, 2011 California
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    This isn't really true. Look at the list you posted, there's a few strong barleywines and then a bunch of lambics all at the top. These beers have a few things in common:

    1) Old
    2) Very limited releases (if released at all)
    3) Small production
    4) Widely acknowledged as very good, and typically from extremely respected breweries.
    5) Styles that age gracefully at worst, well at best.

    The lambics are also only available in Europe. That adds up to being very desirable. The problem with your statement is that very, very few beers fit these criteria. No one will give a shit about Bolt Cutter in 10 years, but if Cantillon releases another 2000-bottle something-or-other then odds are good people will.

    ...Except that now there are lots of people who believe the thing you said, who will hold onto these bottles like they're Ken Griffy Jr rookie cards, whereas in the past they'd be drank. Maybe even hard-to-get stuff won't ever get to Dave level just because people are too aware to let it happen now.
  9. atoulouk

    atoulouk Aspirant (268) Apr 25, 2011 Indiana
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    I guess I was saying that in the context that in the context that the beer had to be highly sough after or desired in the first place, since we are talking highly sought after "rare" beers. I think most people understand that a beer has to be at least somewhat desire-able initially due to it being very good, limited, or from a well respected brewery to see that beer's "value" go up.
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  10. harrymel

    harrymel Initiate (0) Dec 15, 2010 Washington

  11. Bradystraps

    Bradystraps Initiate (0) Jan 24, 2013 Connecticut
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    Thank you, gents. This is great.

    I am working on getting my hands on some Kaggen! Stormaktsporter through some family I have in Sweden.
  12. ShogoKawada

    ShogoKawada Meyvn (1,247) May 31, 2009 Pennsylvania

    They gain value- they do not gain flavor, however. Most on that list it's fair to say taste worse than they did when they were released.
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  13. codysjb

    codysjb Devotee (424) Jun 16, 2010 Prince Edward Island (Canada)
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    In the interest of a picture saying a thousand words:

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  14. shutyourface

    shutyourface Initiate (0) Aug 24, 2010 New York

    Grab me one too, thanks! :stuck_out_tongue:
  15. xnicknj

    xnicknj Initiate (0) May 25, 2009 Pennsylvania

  16. RDMII

    RDMII Disciple (371) Apr 11, 2010 Georgia

    Ouch. They were $70 and $105 in GA. I pulled the trigger too, had to have them, novelty and all.
  17. AlaskanYoung

    AlaskanYoung Disciple (379) Dec 1, 2011 Arkansas

    Had to be done.
  18. HighLowJack

    HighLowJack Disciple (356) Jun 5, 2013 Massachusetts
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    yikes. I had the tactical nuclear on tap in Scotland. guess I was lucky!

    fwiw, I didn't like it at all
  19. Michigan

    Michigan Initiate (0) Oct 24, 2012 Michigan

    That's because it's not a good beer. I don't believe it will go up in value at all. It's just not desirable.
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  20. stupac2

    stupac2 Zealot (518) Feb 22, 2011 California
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    Is there anyone out there who wants any BrewDog beer?
  21. ohiobeer29

    ohiobeer29 Defender (687) Feb 2, 2013 Ohio
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    very informative thread
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  22. themind

    themind Defender (696) Mar 14, 2011 New Jersey

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    themind Defender (696) Mar 14, 2011 New Jersey

  24. mnredsoxfan69

    mnredsoxfan69 Aspirant (287) Dec 27, 2013 Minnesota

    I guess you're saying that my case of '94 Zima isn't going up in value?
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  25. kdb150

    kdb150 Zealot (505) Mar 8, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    Subjective, yes, but you can break it down pretty easily.

    If it is A. a small batch, B. brewed by Cantillon, Drie Fonteinen, Lost Abbey, or Russian River, and C. sour, then it's a whale. Small-batch, early-vintage, barrel-aged versions of beers that typically age well also make the cut. Bonus points if the beer is made for a specific event or bar.

    These beers are valuable as collector's items. That's not to say some, if not many of the beers on that list are likely to be very good, if not mind-blowingly great, but their value largely stems from their rarity, and the reputation of both the beer itself and the brewery that made it.
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  26. hankj

    hankj Initiate (0) Aug 2, 2014 Washington

    Interesting thread - collecting and cellaring to prime drinking window aren't necessarily the same thing. My tendency is to ignore collectibles unless they fit my cellar plan, and at a cost that doesn't too much exceed similar better value choices. I'd rather have 5 year verticals of more available beers to open all at once with friends than a random mix of expensive one offs. Cellars are for drinking!
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  27. themind

    themind Defender (696) Mar 14, 2011 New Jersey

    Sam Adams Triple Bock 1994 is very limited now a days. Is that a whale? tons of breweries in the World make brewery only scratch beers, are these also whales? a whale is purely subjective as it is a whale to the person looking to attain it. For some ( not me) Pliny is a whale. I do not seek sours in general but like them, Don Q would be neat to have and sure its a whale but not to me as I am not looking to attain it because in general I do not seek sours. I just see it differently, I feel whales are beers hard for the BA to attain...nothing more. Anyway, nice chat and cheers! I am having a 077XX, which to some may be a whale :wink:
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  28. kdb150

    kdb150 Zealot (505) Mar 8, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    There are whales, and then there are Whales. A scratch beer could become a Whale, particularly if it is from a respected brewery, was considered to be of very high quality when fresh, is a style that ages well, and was in bottles that normally didn't leave the taproom, or left the taproom in extremely small numbers. Triple Bock is still on some store shelves, which pretty much automatically disqualifies it as a Whale. It's also generally thought to be of very poor quality.

    Whatever limited beer you want to get and call a whale is up to you. However, what the beer community typically thinks of as Whales have a great deal of value as collectibles, for the reasons I've stated. That doesn't mean you have to swoon at them or even desire them; plenty of beer drinkers have no interest in the collectible aspect of the hobby, and that's great - the nice thing about being a beer enthusiast is there are so many different aspects of it that one can enjoy, and there's no wrong way to do it. So here's hoping you find whatever whale you're after at the moment. Cheers!
  29. themind

    themind Defender (696) Mar 14, 2011 New Jersey

    I understand your perspective but still feel it's all purely subjective. We can agree to disagree, cheers!
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  30. newbeeraday

    newbeeraday Crusader (754) May 1, 2014 Pennsylvania
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    This was a nice bedtime read everyone, Thanks! Going to have to side with team subjective on this one. My whale is Don Q right now. It is weird though, in college on Saturday party nights my friends would talk about how they wanted to go out whaling but it had nothing to do with "rare" beer.
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  31. jae

    jae Initiate (197) Feb 21, 2010 Washington
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    I have a Surly Four. Am I cool?
  32. TravisMason

    TravisMason Disciple (359) Jun 12, 2014 Indiana
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    I have a 1994 Sam Adams triple bock and 7 single cast Bon chien all aged in different barrel types from 2008 and 2010.
    I can't seem to find anyone who wants to trade besides one person.
    To be worth something I feel I need to get something of value back out of it.
  33. ohiobeer29

    ohiobeer29 Defender (687) Feb 2, 2013 Ohio
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    Still have a king henry chilling
  34. stakem

    stakem Poo-Bah (5,204) Feb 20, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    This thread is amazing. Necro bumped last year after 14 months of inactivity and again yesterday after it was dead for 10 months.

    The OP admitted to being a "noob" two and a half years ago... surely by now he is a master cicerone and doesnt need any Kelly Blue Book or beckett bottle price guide appraisals anymore.
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