Re-rating: Bells Two Hearted

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  1. rvajohn

    rvajohn Initiate (149) Nov 22, 2012 Virginia
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    This used to be one of my favorite beers, by a long shot. I don't know if the ones I have in my fridge are old. But I know they don't taste nearly as good as I thought they did, before I got to try some Zombie, Heady & Pliny recently through some trades.
    I'm kind of bummed now that the easily accessible two hearted is not nearly as good as these other gems out there.
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  2. draheim

    draheim Poo-Bah (2,431) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    Thanks for letting us know.
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  3. nickapalooza86

    nickapalooza86 Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2010 Wisconsin

    Well I am sad to report that you are wrong Two Hearted is amazing and will be forever clearly you were given a bottle of bud light with a Two Hearted Lable... Happens all the time, do not worry... send the rest to me and I will do my best to get to the bottom of this!
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  4. rvajohn

    rvajohn Initiate (149) Nov 22, 2012 Virginia
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    You're welcome. Thanks for reading. I feel better now that I was able to get that out.
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  5. rvajohn

    rvajohn Initiate (149) Nov 22, 2012 Virginia
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    It smells kind of funky and just doesn't taste like I remember. How long would one have to sit to develop a taste that is noticeably worse than normal?
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  6. InVinoVeritas

    InVinoVeritas Devotee (470) Apr 16, 2012 Wisconsin
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    None of the beers you mentioned are the same style as 2 hearted, the same price point or distribution; so just wondering how it's an apples to apples comparison.
  7. fmccormi

    fmccormi Meyvn (1,330) Oct 24, 2010 California
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    Well, that's all relative, isn't it? You tell us. How long would one have to sit to develop a taste that is noticeably worse than normal?
  8. Nectar

    Nectar Initiate (0) Jan 17, 2013 New Jersey

    I think this is becoming a problem within the community. Damn it, just because something isnt as good as Pliny/Heady/FlavorOfTheMonth, doesnt mean it isnt an extrordinary/world class brew.
  9. fmccormi

    fmccormi Meyvn (1,330) Oct 24, 2010 California
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    Regardless, tastes change. Some of my favorite hop-forward beers include Heady, Double Jack, Palate Wrecker, Jai Alai, Flower Power, and Two Hearted. In fact, I think Two Hearted might be the best "single" IPA I've had (when fresh).
  10. fmccormi

    fmccormi Meyvn (1,330) Oct 24, 2010 California
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    Unrelated note, I really like your avatar. The American Bison rocks.
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  11. Jaycase

    Jaycase Meyvn (1,155) Jan 13, 2007 Illinois
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    It clearly states on the back label the date of bottling.

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  12. rvajohn

    rvajohn Initiate (149) Nov 22, 2012 Virginia
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    They are all beer. I wasn't comparing the beers in regards to being the same style, I was comparing based on what one of my favorite beers tasted like against other recent beers I has not had before
  13. rvajohn

    rvajohn Initiate (149) Nov 22, 2012 Virginia
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    I'll check that, but I really don't know the reasonable shelf life for this beer. I'm still learning.
  14. InVinoVeritas

    InVinoVeritas Devotee (470) Apr 16, 2012 Wisconsin
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    I guess you miss the whole point of implied.
  15. rvajohn

    rvajohn Initiate (149) Nov 22, 2012 Virginia
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    I agree, that's why I wondered why this one didn't taste good. Bottled on 08-17-2012. I hadn't thought to check or knew what a reasonable shelf life for this beer would be. A hunch tells me, this is old. I'm learning and becoming more aware of a lot of things since joining BA
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  16. Eastside151

    Eastside151 Initiate (0) Jun 29, 2012 Ohio
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    I just recently had a Two Hearted Ale for the first time and I can say as someone who wasn't an IPA fan that this beer was great. Literally to the point the I was craving another and had no more. So if this is a sub par example of this beer then I really missed the boat on something great.
  17. rvajohn

    rvajohn Initiate (149) Nov 22, 2012 Virginia
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    implied or assumed?
  18. nickapalooza86

    nickapalooza86 Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2010 Wisconsin

    I believe this beer has a 4 month "shelfe Life" Obviously it is still ok to drink after that but the flavor is not going to be what it was intended to be.... It is all relative to personal taste.... to me this is one beer that I do believe actualy is very consistent for at least 3 months and it gets a bit weaker after that but to get a funny taste that you describe it would probably have to be a year plus at which point no IPA should be consumed
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  19. lonewolfcry

    lonewolfcry Zealot (567) Dec 7, 2007 Minnesota
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    Following the packaging date is a letter.
    A, B and C to denote six months, twelve months and unlimited respectively.
    In the case of your Two Hearted Ale, the code is an "A", so they are putting the shelf life at 6 months.

    Personally, I would try to drink it before 3 months...IMO
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  20. MichiBrew

    MichiBrew Initiate (0) Nov 26, 2010 Michigan

    Woah what? Hmmm...Two Hearted is best consumed fresh and is an IPA...not a pale ale or a DIPA...Hopslam would be a better comparison to PtE and HT...Zombie Dust is in a pale ale category of its own...
  21. kawilliams81

    kawilliams81 Meyvn (1,248) Feb 27, 2009 Illinois
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    5 months old is about 4 months too long!
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  22. FantomeMenace

    FantomeMenace Initiate (0) Aug 1, 2010 Indiana

    Thank you, Prometheus.
  23. Dools9

    Dools9 Zealot (518) Jul 5, 2011 Massachusetts

    I wish we got Bell's in MA, love to try some TH
  24. El_Zilcho

    El_Zilcho Initiate (70) May 3, 2012 Virginia

    I hadnt had two hearted in a while so I bought some a while ago, I think it may have been a couple months old but I dont think it was too old. Before I could drink it the minikegs came around and I bought one of them. Then I had a bottle and I was not enjoying it much at all, it was sweet and reminded me of Lagunitas (I like Lagunitas and all, but you know). I was worried about the minikeg but once I tried it it was like a different beer, and it was the delicious two hearted I remembered. Anyway Im just saying Ive had it taste very different, so maybe try a batch you know is fresh and see whats up.
  25. MarcatGSB

    MarcatGSB Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2011 Michigan

    Bell's has made their beers idiot proof. Really. They implemented a very handy letter code to their bottle dating...
    A = 6 months
    B = 12 months
    C = Beyond
    However, I think they failed by leaving the 1-3 group unexplained. A beer like Two Hearted is definitely better when consumed within 3 months...
  26. bastu

    bastu Initiate (0) May 5, 2011 Tennessee

    I'll only buy a six pack of two hearted if it is less than a month old. Any older is a pass for me.
  27. fmccormi

    fmccormi Meyvn (1,330) Oct 24, 2010 California
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    Bingo. It's fine when it's a couple months old or beyond, but aim for under a month if you can find it—then, I'm guessing, it'll be just as good as you remembered it being.
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  28. kdmcguire10

    kdmcguire10 Initiate (0) Jul 15, 2011 Michigan

    I'd invite the King of Two Hearted, kzoobrew, to comment.

    I've had the privilege of having a ton of Two-hearted. All strongly-hopped beers are best consumed very fresh, however I feel some hold up to the brewer's original intent longer than others.

    Two-hearted is not one of those beers, in my opinion. Super fresh two-hearted gets into the A+ category, but I've had plenty of older bottles that I thought were B+/B. The factor is almost always bottle date, which does create a conundrum when ordering on draft.

    Founders' All-day IPA and Red's rye PA also fall into this category for me as well.
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  29. DrStiffington

    DrStiffington Meyvn (1,083) Oct 27, 2010 New Jersey
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    Last year I bought a case of Two Hearted when I bought my case of Hopslam. I really enjoyed it and I'm looking forward to doing the same just as soon as Shangy's gets its Hoplam shipment in this year.
  30. victory4me

    victory4me Zealot (547) Oct 16, 2004 Pennsylvania

    I used to love Two Hearted, but over the course of the last few years I have come to the conclusion that it's complete garbage of an IPA. Bordering on undrinkable.

    This is coming from someone who loves IPAs and loves almost all of Bell's lineup.
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  31. drtth

    drtth Poo-Bah (3,377) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania

    As a general rule 3 mos max for some IPAs or 5-6 mos max for other IPAs depending on the bottling line in use at the brewery. But there's usually no way to tell that information without a) a visit to the brewery, or b) through experience with the beer, yours or someone else's (hence the value of reading reviews, etc.).

    For example, while its not an IPA, in SEPA we're now getting Toeg's Nugget Nectar release showing up. I personally find that beer a bit harsh up to about two weeks after bottling. It then it smooths out, reaches its peak and holds there for about 6 weeks or so. Then the flavors begin to gradually fade and change and the malt emerges more strongly. I still enjoy Nugget Nectar at 3 mos, but for my tastes its best between 2 weeks and 2 months after bottling.
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  32. Mothergoose03

    Mothergoose03 Poo-Bah (2,149) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    'New and exciting' (Zombie, Heady & Pliny, etc.) with the resulting sensory overload you experience will trick your brain into wanting to compare to the 'now normal' sensory experience of the Two Hearted because your used to it. It just can't be done until you lay off of the Two Hearted for a couple years and then renew your experience all over again.
  33. powpig2002

    powpig2002 Initiate (0) Jan 26, 2012 Florida

  34. miketd

    miketd Zealot (534) Mar 2, 2006 Ohio
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    I used to love Two Hearted as well, but have been severely let down the last several times I've had it. Not sure if they did something with the beer, my palate has changed, or if TH has been passed by other beers in the category. It's probably a combination, but whatever the reason, the result is me not buying it anymore.
  35. nc41

    nc41 Poo-Bah (1,520) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I love Citra hopped brews too, they are very distinctive in smell and taste. But trying to compare Citra brews and big DIPA's is apples to oranges. But I can always down a 2H Ale, it really is a very well made IPA, better on tap, but I have a fridge full for today's games.
  36. RobertColianni

    RobertColianni Zealot (527) Nov 4, 2008 Pennsylvania

    Undrinkable: absolutely not. Average: yes. As I had more and more IPA's, I wondered why everyone has talked up Two Hearted as it was one of the first IPA's that I had. First impression was that it was good, but not great. Once more beer had come through, I realized that Two Hearted was just a starter IPA. That being said, at the time, IPA's were as popular as BA stout is today, if not more, so everyone was brewing the style and hitting it out of the park. The fact that we're spoiled with great IPA's is probably more the culprit than Two Hearted being bad, because to be frank, it's not. I had one last week after a solid year away from IPA's and swore I was in heaven for those fifteen minutes.
    They're all American IPA's regardless of sub-categorizing, so you're wrong.
  37. nc41

    nc41 Poo-Bah (1,520) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    2H is just a nicely balanced easy drinking IPA, it's not over the top anything, I also think Racer 5 is in this same class. Because your exposed and like other brews better doesn't diminish 2H in any way.
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  38. kzoobrew

    kzoobrew Meyvn (1,167) May 8, 2006 Michigan

    I appreciate the invitation.

    I do drink a fair amount of Two Hearted, probably more than nearly anyone outside of Judy Sarkozy. It is always a very good beer, every once in a while it is mind blowingly spectacular. I had a pour yesterday at Bell's and it was so good it was conversation worthy. It is not often that Two Hearted is conversation worthy among regulars at Bell's. The aroma was perfect, dank and resinous. It was a beautiful thing, would match up against any IPA out there.

    Two Hearted is best consumed with in the first month IMO. I believe it is still fantastic after but to really get the full effect it is best to drink it early. I feel the drop off from fresh to not so fresh is not as dramatic in Two Hearted than it is in many other IPAs. I will still buy three month old Two Hearted over a fair number of fresh IPAs.

    To the OP, you are comparing Two Hearted to Pliny, Heady and Zombie Dust, that is not necessarily the best approach. First, Two Hearted is never going to be a DIPA and its never going to use any citra. Rate a beer on its own merits, do not base it on not being a beer it was never intended to be.
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  39. InVinoVeritas

    InVinoVeritas Devotee (470) Apr 16, 2012 Wisconsin
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    So your saying the distribution and price points are the exact same and there's only one category, that of American IPA at the GABF, interesting...thanks for the education.
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  40. Foamfollower

    Foamfollower Initiate (0) Jul 28, 2004 Illinois

    Do we need a new name for this phenomenon? OneHopmanship? :-)
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