Relax, your beer can handle it

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by zid, May 3, 2013.

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  1. zid

    zid Champion (866) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Seems like there's always a thread about green bottles, 2 month old "expired" beer, bottle shops with dust, not buying beer without best by dates, laser etched glasses, the perfect pour, etc.

    I'm not claiming that oxidation, shelf-life, skunking, and what-have-you shouldn't be genuine concerns... they are, but people seem to get so caught up in this stuff at the expense of just enjoying a beer.

    At this moment, I'm drinking a 5% ABV brew from England, that I found sitting in a non-temp controlled warehouse in Brooklyn, completely covered in dust, 8 years past expiration date... and from a coffee mug...

    ... and it tastes fantastic.

    I've bought lots of dodgy stuff over the years, but I've probably had to chuck about 1 beer for every 200 hundred for being off.

    Beers change over time, skunking is not a total myth, proper glassware matters somewhat, but it's also possible to relax at bit and just have a beer without worrying so much.
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  2. wisconsinbeer1

    wisconsinbeer1 Aspirant (211) Nov 11, 2004 Wisconsin
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    I dont know you. But I like you.
  3. timontheroad

    timontheroad Champion (803) May 9, 2011 Colorado

    In the end, it's just beer. My philosophy is all beer is good, some are just better than others.
  4. stupac2

    stupac2 Zealot (518) Feb 22, 2011 California
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    Alternatively, some people have different palates from yours and those things actually do taste bad to them. I drainpour way more frequently than that.
  5. CassinoNorth

    CassinoNorth Disciple (304) Apr 5, 2013 New Jersey
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    Preach brother preach.

    Working in a bottle shop I've had to convince tons of people that beer doesn't skunk just because it gets semi warm over an hour in a car. Especially the BMC crap.
  6. kingofhop

    kingofhop Initiate (0) May 9, 2010 Oklahoma

    I gotta go to bed. Beer is the least of my problems. I got 99 more.
  7. willbm3

    willbm3 Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2010 Massachusetts

    I hear you. Ultimately we all came here because we like beer, but sometimes I feel like we get too caught up in the BA lifestyle to just sit down and drink a beer.
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  8. shredder83

    shredder83 Devotee (423) Feb 21, 2013 Illinois
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    Most of us BA's know when something should just be passed over. I've had centennial ipa that was 4 months old, sucks that was 2 months old, etc., etc....I just enjoy what I drink, and drink what I enjoy. If we all have our heads up our own asses too far to enjoy what we love, then we've certainly lost our way.
  9. brewandstew

    brewandstew Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2008 Maryland

    What aspect of the BA lifestyle makes it difficult to just sit down and drink a beer?
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  10. devlishdamsel

    devlishdamsel Initiate (0) Aug 1, 2009 Washington

    Cheers to you sir! You "get it"!
  11. Zhiguli

    Zhiguli Aspirant (245) Jul 12, 2012 California

    I agree with you for the most part, but I want nothing to do with a dusty IPA, mainly because I can get it fresh and properly stored elsewhere
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  12. Vitacca

    Vitacca Disciple (347) Sep 15, 2010 Wisconsin
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    I hear ya. Sometimes you just have to sit back and enjoy the ride.
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  13. nsheehan

    nsheehan Devotee (461) Jul 3, 2011 Texas
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    I agree. Although I did buy a 7 year old wit beer that tasted like rotten apples. I've also bought 3 or 4 year old winter warmers and mid-abv Belgians that tasted fine. Or the Stone 09.09.09 I bought last week. I don't know how it was stored, but I had to buy at least one.

    I am concluding a PtE aging experiment in 6 weeks. 3, 6 and 9 months of aging. Not refrigerated at all times either. It falls off, but it can handle it. So far it's great, it's just not World class any longer. In the end, some BAs will not fret about a 3 month old IPA, others will mourn a 6 week old one. Few people will change, so all we can do is shoot the shit while enjoying what we deem appropriate for one's self.
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  14. DrunkenMonk

    DrunkenMonk Disciple (319) Jun 2, 2012 California

    You lost me at 200 hundred.
  15. jcreegan

    jcreegan Disciple (304) Aug 12, 2010 Florida
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    If i want it I buy it. If it tastes good I drink it. If it tastes bad I drain-pour it and try something else.
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  16. HattedClassic

    HattedClassic Poo-Bah (2,119) Nov 23, 2009 Virginia

    Hmm. Interesting point. I seem to remember drinking a two year old winter warmer that was fine.
  17. busternuggz

    busternuggz Zealot (528) Mar 9, 2008 California

    This immediately made me think of a brewery with shitty beers but a lot of heart trying to come up with a slogan.
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  18. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    I love looking at the beer clearance area, I've found some great deals and I don't mind drinking "old" beer at all. That said, I do prefer some beers as fresh as possible but I'll never scoff at a beer that's been sitting on a room temp shelf or is more than two weeks old. Some people just get silly with it, but that is their choice.
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  19. dvmin98

    dvmin98 Poo-Bah (1,995) Nov 1, 2010 North Carolina
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    Just had some Uberpils from Black Mountain. Year old in the bargain bin at 75% off. Trust me, it wasn't 75% worse than other beers I've had fresh. It was pretty nice, even with the dust bunnies.
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  20. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Defender (637) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado
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    I would be more willing to buy an "older" beer if the store would mark it down. And I don't mean by $1 a sixpack.
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  21. HipsterBrewfus

    HipsterBrewfus Initiate (0) Jun 3, 2012 Maryland

    Like others have noted, it's just beer. Fucking relax.
  22. kuhndog

    kuhndog Disciple (331) Sep 6, 2011 New York

    I don't mind buying "old" beer, most of the time it tastes ok. But I'm not going to pay $12.99 a 6pk to find out. $5.99 or less I'll buy anything :slight_smile:.
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  23. MWRod

    MWRod Initiate (0) Apr 6, 2013 Connecticut

    I'm with you in spirit, but then on the other hand I have been burned by a couple of dusty Lagunitas six packs because they didn't have a date on them. Maximus and Undercover Shut-down, both horrible with faded hops. So I have learned to be wary of IPA's once they're more than a few months old. But for other styles like brown ales, porters, stouts, dopplebocks, etc. I'm totally fine with some shelf age.
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  24. YaKnowBrady

    YaKnowBrady Initiate (0) Jul 23, 2010 New Jersey

    But what if I left the bottles in my trunk, and it was a hot day?
  25. surfcaster

    surfcaster Defender (643) Apr 20, 2013 North Carolina
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    Agree with sentiment but it is so easy to get good fresh stuff these days that for the style where it matters, why settle?
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  26. Sludgeman

    Sludgeman Meyvn (1,483) Aug 17, 2012 District of Columbia
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    Depends on what color your car is OR is it the glass color of the bottles? I'm confused.
  27. fox227

    fox227 Initiate (0) Nov 19, 2010 California

    What exactly was this 8 year old beer from England?
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  28. jmw

    jmw Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2009 North Carolina

    This is a refreshing sentiment in these forums
  29. marquis

    marquis Crusader (744) Nov 20, 2005 United Kingdom (England)

    From the 1769 diary of Joseph Banks who wrote this in New Zealand after a year on board ship ;bear in mind the conditions encountered by the beer in a small wooden boat which spent several months in the tropics ;
    "Our Malt liquors have answerd extreemly well: we have now both small beer and Porter upon tap as good as I ever drank them, especialy the latter which was bought of Sam. & Jno. Curtiss at Wapping New Stairs. The Small beer had some art usd to make it keep, it was bought of Bruff & Taylor in Hog Lane near St Giles's."

    Also for those who thing 3 months is stretching things;
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  30. Gunch43

    Gunch43 Aspirant (268) Jan 15, 2010 Pennsylvania
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    My first venture into Hopslam was in a clearance bin in September. I bought it for $1.00. I just knew I liked hops and I LOVED the label. That was about 4 years ago. I drive almost 90 miles every January to ensure I get my case. I can't remember what it tasted like the first time, but it must of been pretty damn good for me to seak it out every year after that.
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  31. kinghippo

    kinghippo Initiate (0) Nov 27, 2008 Massachusetts

    Amen Brotha
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  32. mychalg9

    mychalg9 Champion (849) Apr 8, 2010 Illinois
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    I do the same thing and have zero regrets.
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  33. LSMroz

    LSMroz Initiate (0) Jan 25, 2013 Illinois
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    Last week I bought a Flensburger Pilsener (4.8%) for the 12 oz swing top bottle it came in. Tried a sip. Drain poured the rest. Bottle date was 9-30-11.
  34. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Meyvn (1,317) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan

    Just as light and O2 are not good for beer, extreme heat is not either. How hot and how long will be parts of the equation. For accelerated staling tests, breweries will keep a beer at something like 140F or 150F for 24 hours then test and taste for staling.

    An hour in the parking lot, don't worry.
  35. RBassSFHOPit2ME

    RBassSFHOPit2ME Meyvn (1,126) Mar 1, 2009 California

    I get what you're saying, but you're on a beer snob site you know...
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  36. JuliusCaesar

    JuliusCaesar Initiate (0) Feb 18, 2013 New Hampshire

    I used to share your philosophy but lately I've had to rethink this approach. I bought an old bottle of Celebrator. It sucked. Last week I bought a year old four pack of Skull Splitter. It was gross. I'm all for enjoying beer for what it is, but oxidized cardboard and waxy/cider flavors do not compliment malt forward beers. If I'm going to spend my money I'd rather not take the chance and just buy fresh beer. Unless it is a style that can be aged, obviously.
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  37. GoGators

    GoGators Crusader (752) Aug 5, 2010 New Jersey
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    While i love the "relax and enjoy" sentiment of the OP, let's face it, for every beer that tastes fine 8 years past its expiration date, there are probably 99 that don't, especially a lower abv beer. And bottle shops that would leave a beer on their shelf that long probably don't care much about their customers. So yes, Relax and Enjoy, but it's not stressing out to be mindful of shelf life and watch what we all spend our hard earned $$$ on.
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  38. JayORear

    JayORear Defender (619) Feb 22, 2012 California
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    This is closest to what I'm feeling these days, especially after recently trying (and drain pouring) a 3-month old Sucks. Sure, I could "relax a bit" and drink it, but I could also crack open the Enjoy By in my fridge, or the fresh Pliny, or walk a block to my corner bottle shop and pick up one of a hundred bottles. Yes: why settle?
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  39. Celtics76

    Celtics76 Defender (651) Sep 5, 2011 Rhode Island

    I enjoyed a Shipyard beer last night.
  40. fox227

    fox227 Initiate (0) Nov 19, 2010 California

    I've ran into problems with old Samuel Smith beers, which makes me question OP's original claim of having a "fantastic" eight year old, 5% English beer. Fantastic compared to what, I dare to ask?
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