Romulan Ale

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by Flight0011, Jan 16, 2013.

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  1. Flight0011

    Flight0011 Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2013 Washington

    I know this might peg me as alittle bit of a nerd but I am working on my own recipe for Romulan Ale, I want to make a decient high gravity blue beer but I was wondering if anyone had any ideas for how to color the beer blue without food coloring, or without getting a green or a purple color to it. Since this is a beer based off of Star Trek there are realy no parameters for what the beer is made out of or what it tastes like. Basicaly the only explination is that it is blue and strong. So I am open for suggestions.
  2. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (3,106) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania

    I will apologize in advance but this sounds like a discussion I would her between the nerds of the show the Big Bang Theory!

    Maybe somebody should send this as an idea to the writers of that show!?!:wink:

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  3. VikeMan

    VikeMan Meyvn (1,351) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Maybe brew something as pale as possible with a pilsner malt. Color with Blue Curacao or even blue food coloring.
  4. ryane

    ryane Initiate (159) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

  5. Flight0011

    Flight0011 Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2013 Washington

    I fallowed that link and they also said the beer tasted like soap, that's not quite a characteristic I am looking for. I once read something about red cabbage and baking soda to make a blue but I think that may flavor it also. I think the lighter grains may be the way to go. I guess what I'm curious about is if anyone has attempted a similar method without an added taste
  6. kjyost

    kjyost Meyvn (1,175) May 4, 2008 Manitoba (Canada)

  7. VikeMan

    VikeMan Meyvn (1,351) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I'd say that's a safe bet.
  8. RashyGrillCook

    RashyGrillCook Aspirant (260) Apr 30, 2011 Florida
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    Fellow Trekkie here, as well as an amateur homebrewer. If I were brewing this I would be looking into blue starches to tosh in the mash. Something like blue potatoes, blue corn, and maybe even a little chicha morada(or similar blueish/purpleish sugary soft drink).
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  9. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California

    EDIT. That show is about where I go to school, surprisingly, that show accurately depicts about 70% of our student population.
  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (3,106) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania

    Have any of those students made Romulan Ale!?!

    Captain Kirk: Note to Galley; Romulan Ale no longer to be served at diplomatic functions.
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  11. sergeantstogie

    sergeantstogie Aspirant (202) Nov 16, 2010 Washington

    Well Will Wheaton is a homebrewer.
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  12. CellarGimp

    CellarGimp Disciple (335) Sep 14, 2011 Missouri

    Blue jolly ranchers. Mash em in a Belgian pale ale.
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  13. paulys55

    paulys55 Zealot (587) Aug 2, 2010 Pennsylvania
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    Hopefully your clone tastes better than the real thing...can't see how it wouldn't.
  14. JrGtr

    JrGtr Devotee (400) Apr 13, 2006 Massachusetts

    Worf: Romulan Ale should be illegal!
    LeForge: It is!
    Worf: *groans*
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  15. alexipa

    alexipa Devotee (439) Oct 7, 2011 Colorado
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    I want to correct like 16 different fallacies in this thread, but I'm holding myself back.

    As for the blueness: why not try blueberries? Seems to me a blueberry ale might be delicious to boot.
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  16. ZombieFoot

    ZombieFoot Initiate (0) Jan 16, 2013 Texas

    ...wait are you serious? That's awesome!

    as far as the beer goes I think its going to be pretty tough, I agree withe the blue corn suggestion however it might turn out a bit lighter in color than you want for a Romulan ale. post updates please I wouldn't mind trying this my self.
  17. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Crusader (721) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Something tells me the fallacies of which you speak are not beer related : )
    Go's not like the rest of this thread is beer related anyway
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  18. sergeantstogie

    sergeantstogie Aspirant (202) Nov 16, 2010 Washington

  19. cavedave

    cavedave Poo-Bah (2,284) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Whatever you do just make sure you don't end up with this

    worst beer ever
  20. Flight0011

    Flight0011 Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2013 Washington

    Im going to run my first test batch this weekend. Im not sure about jolly ranchers but i may try experimenting with the corn, cabbage and the potatoes. Inorder to get a light wort Im thinking about using light pilsner, wheat and clear candi sugar. I have great confidence that I can come up with something better than that commercialy sold garbage. The great thing about homebrewing is being able to perfect great beer styles and having the ability to experiment with numerous variables inorder to create something unique. Hopefuly I will get some pictures up of beer that isnt green or purple. I appreciate all the ideas.
  21. pweis909

    pweis909 Poo-Bah (1,620) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I've done blueberries in a wit to yield a faint purple-magenta hue. Similarly, I've done black grapes in a Berlinerweisse to a similar optic effect. Neither of these are the dayglow color you are after.

    I'm struggling to think of anything easily obtainable that takes on this color. I think your best solution is to genetically engineer yeast to express green fluorescent protein at just the right level, so that your beer looks blue, like this jellyfish.
    I'm guessing that this is the key to how the Romulans do it.
  22. good_gracious

    good_gracious Initiate (0) Aug 19, 2012 Maryland

    I don't think corn I going to do it for you. The only thing that's blue is the outer husk, which I imagine would be pretty hard to digest/convert during the mash or boil. Certainly the yeast won't be able to touch it. I have this picture in my mind of downing a pint and getting all these kernels stuck in your teeth--it would be the worst part about eating popcorn without any of the buttery goodness! Unless you eff up the fermentation and produce diacetyl of course. :slight_smile:

    Edit: food coloring is by far the easiest with the least amount of taste impact. How do you think all those green St Patty's day beers are made?
  23. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Poo-Bah (2,077) May 21, 2010 Texas

    Elderberries made my first batch of elderberry wheat come out rather purplish-ish. I'm about to try it again, with more elderberries this time. We'll see if I wind up making Romulan ale...
  24. premierpro

    premierpro Aspirant (277) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    I would not use cabbage. It could lead to beer farts!
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  25. psnydez86

    psnydez86 Disciple (363) Jan 4, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    So thats where they came up with the idea for bud light platinum..... :grimacing:
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  26. koopa

    koopa Poo-Bah (1,825) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey
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    While I've never brewed with blueberries, I've had lots of commercial blueberry ales and none of them have been the color blue.
  27. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Disciple (350) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    Whatever the recipe is it needs to be deceptively strong and really menacing...dirty Romulans.
  28. MickJ0nes

    MickJ0nes Initiate (0) Dec 10, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Try to liquify the jolly ranchers. Then add to a belgian strong boil with the candi sugar.
  29. Flight0011

    Flight0011 Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2013 Washington

    Has anyone tried adding Jolly Ranchers to a beer? I see how it would color it blue but how much flavor would come through. Im going to make a few batches a few different ways so I guess it wont hurt to try.
  30. tngolfer

    tngolfer Initiate (75) Feb 16, 2012 Tennessee

    I know you are trying to avoid food coloring but Jolly Ranchers are just sugar and food coloring. Might as well just use food coloring. I agree with others in using food coloring in that you can control the amount added without adding any off flavors.
  31. Flight0011

    Flight0011 Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2013 Washington

    so blue berries gave me an almost redish color. supprisingly red cabbage rendered this beautiful blue i was looking for, only when i added the grains it turned pepto pink. i can nutralize the color with a slight amount of sodium bicarbonate but this batch i might as well just get some food coloring. now i heard of an edible blue fo
    lower thats suppose to leech out a nice blue color, only i dont know where to find it and i was told to look for a hippy vegan store... thats about where im at right now.
  32. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Disciple (350) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

  33. Flight0011

    Flight0011 Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2013 Washington

    actuali as the mash progress has progressed it the colors have nutralized themselves
  34. Flight0011

    Flight0011 Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2013 Washington

    isnt indio more purple?
  35. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Disciple (350) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    Kinda...I guess. More of a dark blue to me. Also wild indigo roots can be soaked in water to create an edible dye, it also causes some stomach ailments in some people.
  36. Flight0011

    Flight0011 Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2013 Washington

    well i have done alittle more research and it seems that unless i make an alkaline beer a natural blue food coloring cannot be maintained in an acidic environment. So i guess im stuck with food coloring and jolley ranchers, i likt the idea of trying a double IPA though. i think that will be my next batch.
  37. azorie

    azorie Initiate (0) Mar 18, 2006 Florida

    I not read him say anything about beer and ST though at least not on twitter. I love scifi and all that but I not mix reality of good beer with scifi...just my 2 cents. I say the lack of foam in the so called RA is really just some sort of blue liquor IMHO.
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  38. clearbrew

    clearbrew Initiate (0) Nov 3, 2009 Louisiana

    Fruit is you best bet. I tried a purple beer once.
    The final flavor was a lot like a Bud Light, but not purple. Had I upped the hops a bit it would have been more drinkable.
    I don't have a lot of experience with fruit beer, but I know Frambois can be very red. You just have to find something that will hold its blue color. Naturally, blueberries are the fruit that pops into my mind first. I would add to a secondary fermentation.
    Also, (this is from left field) do a search on Mountain Dew beer. I remember reading someones experiment where he used Mountain Dew in the wort. I seem to remember that he said the finished beer was not bad. I don't know if that means it tasted like beer, or if it was just a drinkable liquid. But see if you can find some info on it and it may open up your options to blue soft drinks to get your color as well.
  39. geocool

    geocool Initiate (175) Jun 21, 2006 Massachusetts

    You should be aware that the replicators aboard the USS Enterprise are not capable of replicating Romulan ale; it would require programming the devices with the molecular structure of the beverage. The recipe is not readily available due to the lack of communication and information between the Federation and the Romulan Empire. (TNG: "The Defector")

    Needless to say, if they can't even replicate it on the Enterprise, then I don't think you will have much luck. I recommend you serve one of these instead.
  40. Mattreinitz

    Mattreinitz Initiate (0) Mar 1, 2012 New York

    Here's a thread about Mountain Brew,
    I suppose you could swap out green Dew for the Blue one.
    Personally I would just brew a very light wheat, or pale ale, and load it up with the food coloring when its time to bottle. I get that it would be more "authentic" if you could color it naturally with blue corn or potatoes, but I think its going to be nearly impossible to get a nice blue color and have it still taste like beer.
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