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Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by watermelonman, May 22, 2013.
These threads. When will it end?
I don't really see any more hype for Russian River than I see for other well done beers of similar styles. Just refer to any "Pliny vs __Insert Other Well Done IPA Name" thread. There's just as many people raving about Heady Topper than there is raving about Pliny. It's all a matter of taste and there is no correct answer.
There's going to be hype and expectations for all types of beers and breweries, so I really suggest getting used to it because it's just a part of this website.
The hype will end when they stop making world class beer. Hype will not go away due to long lines or large numbers of people in their pub. If anything I would suspect that those things would create more hype. While I think people should drink what they like and not what carries a lot of hype, I think the hype is well warranted.
Chuck's has PtE quite often, if you're in NE Ohio.
Pliny the Elder is probably the best beer I've ever had. I don't "get" the RR hate.
Try some Hill farmstead, that guy is basically beer Jesus.
Also basically the current Vinnie, or the new Bruery..........basically the new hype train.
Funny sentence when Vinnie refers to Sierra Nevada as Beer Mecca.
I'd love to try some Hill Farmstead. But isn't that basically a NE brew? yeah, yeah, I know I could trade. Well, hell, I traded for Pliny, I guess I could trade for some HF!
When everyone gets smart and finally loves what I love.
There are a lot of overrated breweries out there, but Russian River is not one of them. Sounds to me like the OP is complaining just for the fun of it.... seems like there is a lot of that on the forums these days.
This is my first post on BA. The basis behind this thread is one of the snobbiest beer related things I have read in my 10+ years drinking craft beer. No matter who or where it comes from, good beer is good beer. Period.
Beer is not made to belittle ones tastes, it's made to be enjoyed among friends. I'm sure a lot of people here would agree.
I edited it for you.
I have always thought that watermelonman was an overrated. Every time that I try to get watermelonman, I have to wait in lines for X, Y or Z. I remember when watermelonman first opened under my cat box and my girlfriend said that it tasted like cat pee versus the traditional waste of the Egyptian cats of 2000 years ago. My God, don't you people understand!!!!
Just had a growler of Defenestration. Yep, Vinnie couldn't make a shitty beer if he tried. This beer is wonderful! It is like a Belgian IPA if it was made with only Styrian Goldings and European Hops! Wonderful! Belgian yeast is a train wreck with American Hops usually, but Styrian is the shit with the yeast! LOVE it!
How is this thread still alive?
I can genuinely say that I am enjoying the bulk of this conversation. Not all of it, of course, especially the non clever snark, but hey 9 of 10 responses make good points.
Yes, Three Floyds probably invented the word hype. I have liked their beer, though, quite a bit. Kudos to that who pointed out their Three Floyds was my Russian River, and vice versa. Is there some hipster jerk, I was there before you, elitism and snobbery in my initial statement? Absolutely. Do I resent the fact that I can no longer stroll in, sit down, and order some beer bites with my companion who does not even like beer, without drama? You know it!
To explain myself, I think Pliny the Elder is the greatest IPA brewed to date. I also think that Pliny the Younger is the most overrated beer in the history of mankind. I am confused by the sours and Belgians that change massively from batch to batch, shifting from yellow to red colors. Consistency? These are not the same beers. That said, sours are a tricky animal, and some of the Russian River sours have been phenomenal. Certain batches of Supplication and Deification literally set my heart a flutter. Later, I ordered one of each and was left wondering if the waitress got my order wrong. Consistency is not a strong suit there. The barleywine was garbage and the many takes on British ales are woefully forgettable. Does it matter who who thinks is the best ever? No. It gives us something to talk about, though, and that is all message boards are.
It took me a few minutes to figure out who this Chuck fellow is. Is it in Chagrin Falls? It looks like I got a new store to go to soon. Cheers!!!
Russian River is certainly an overrated brewery, in the same way that Bob Dylan is an overrated lyricist, The Metropolitan Museum of Art is an overrated gallery, Rodin was an overrated sculptor, Aldebaran is an overrated star.
That's the one.
Russian River is definitely more overrated than Bob Dylan.
When certain topics or comments are monitored, this is what you get. As for this topic, similar to other topics related to X vs. Y or "Is it hype?", this is a waste of time thread. If you think that RR is overhyped, you need to do the following:
1. Leave the community
And if someone can take the time to waste in posting a thread like this, I can kill some time posting a comment like this expressing my opinion on the topic. You don't have to read my opinion.
I'm not gonna read through this whole thread so some of my points might be redundant. There are a few big problems with your post:
1) You're implying "nobody can do it better than Belgium" when it comes to Belgian style beers. That's not necessarily true. Even if it were, why should it stop anyone from trying?
2) Russian River's best styles are NOT Belgian style beers - they are IPAs and American wild ales. Vinnie is as good with these styles as any American brewer, in my opinion, which is extremely impressive.
3) Your ex-girlfriend sounds like a total snob: "None of that Russian River wannabe brew", are you kidding me?
4) Belgian style beers are not inherently better than pale ales or whatever American style Vinnie is brewing at the moment.
5) I thought this was a troll post, then I saw you joined this site in 2004. That's longer than I've been here, and that feels like forever!
As drunk as you may have been, you were actually correct! Here was the OP's comment:
You disagreed and said there is way more going on at RR than at Bear Republic, then you get criticized for not reading correctly? No, you sir were correct and that other user was an idiot.
OP, hate all you want, but there is a reason RR is so highly acclaimed and it's far from just hype.
Don't hate, appreciate.
Dude is clearly drunk.
Guy expressed his opinion and did it in an articulate manner as well as sharing his experiences and offering his rationale outlining his beliefs.
Agree or disagree it's a worthwhile discussion.
I thought the poster comparing the Russian River hype to the Three Floyds hype made a series of outstanding points as well.
Personally I'm more of a Bell's/Founders fanboy but if someone wants to point out either of their deficiencies and does it in an entertaining or at least defensible manner I'm good with that too.
This thread is REALLY making me crave some Row 2, Hill 56.
OP has popped up in this thread as well.
Russian River prices
Clearly, he has a problem with RR and Vinnie.
This is what happens when you feed the trolls.
Thanks for that input on Defenestration; it sounds like a tasty beer!
In a past thread I posted:
"I am of the opinion that there are two sub-styles of Belgian IPAs.
There is an American style Belgian IPA where American hops are used. Examples of this sub-style are Flying Dog Raging Bitch, Lagunitas A Little Sumpin Wild, Stone Cali-Belgique, Green Flash Le Freak, Deschutes White IPA, Flying Dog Wildeman Farmhouse IPA, etc.
The Belgian brewed Belgian IPAs utilize European hops which result in a beer of a different character. Examples of this sub-style are De Ranke XX Bitter, Poperings Hommel Bier, Piraat, etc."
It appears that you have a preference for Belgian style Belgian IPAs.
My personal preference is the American style Belgian IPA with my favorites being Flying Dog Raging Bitch and Deschutes White IPA. I also really like the Flying Dog’s Wildeman Farmhouse IPA.
If I ever get a chance to find Defenestration (draft only beer?), I will definitely order one.
Being in Texas I've never had any of their beers, and therein lies the problem. I'm not an expert on the matter, but it seems to me that they are content in being a big fish in a small pond. If they really are all that, I would think they would at some point want to venture out beyond California. Then again, I might just be talking out my ass.
That's just ass talk. :-)
They do distribute outside of CA, but are maintaining control of volume. You can read all about it on the WWW.
No problem, I did a full review on it, so check it out if you want. I like Wildeman IPA a lot too. Saison yeasts can work out nice with American hops
Pliny the Tiny?
All the info that is known at this time:
I wouldn't say so. Row 2 is a Pale Ale.
I have been to at least 20 breweries in California and Russian River was one of the best by far. My wife and I were in NorCal for our honeymoon and my wife demanded we go back there the second day we were in Santa Rosa because she loved their Pizza so much on the first day. It was the Gorgonzola and Pine Nut pizza; real good stuff.
The beers were all top notch and the atmosphere was real cool too.
I am a fan of Bear Republic but I was underwhelmed when I went there.
As far as food and beer together in one location RR was right up there with Alpine. Lagunitas also had real good food and great beer.
No shit. I love it. It reminds me of Diet Pliny with all the simcoe.
No one hypes their Belgians, except for the gratuitous +0.5 added to the rating just for being Russian River.
Their sours and Pliny are top notch and deserve whatever hype they receive.
Of course, this is just my opinion.